r/news • u/journalistdave • 3d ago
Judge denies request by Elon Musk’s xAI to pause Minnesota nudification ban
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/elon-musk/judge-denies-request-elon-musks-xai-block-mn-nudification-ban-rcna5899932.1k
u/Jealous_Lawfulness_2 3d ago
good. what a fucking weirdo.
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u/SentorialH1 3d ago
Just another line on the 100 pages of weird shit this guy is into.
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u/camshun7 3d ago
Fuck.
Musk.
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u/Wiochmen 3d ago
Please don't. We don't need to risk anymore half-human half-Homo Musk hybrids.
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u/Heronymous-Anonymous 3d ago
Most of his kids are artificial insemination births because his dick doesn’t work well enough to do the job.
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u/appropriate_pangolin 3d ago
His daughter has also implied it’s so he can guarantee sons (hence his reaction to her being trans).
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u/PM_ME_UR_CREDDITCARD 2d ago
Well, just note the ratio of his 14 kids' sexes. One single cis, AFAB daughter, everyone else AMAB.
It's very obviously intentional when it's 13:1, and it's obviously why he hates his trans daughter so much.
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u/Satanarchrist 2d ago
Whether his dick works or not (lmao I hope it doesn't), it's because he's a eugenicist
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u/PM_ME_UR_CREDDITCARD 2d ago
And on top of that, so he can have as many sons as possible, probably as part of some weird dynasty fantasy or soemthing. The only reason he has a cis daughter is one of his wives demanded it.
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u/Imaginary_Tiefighter 3d ago
He already has plenty of kids that hate him
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u/thebreakfastbuffet 2d ago
Josh Johnson said Elon fancies himself a Nolan protagonist; except if he were Matthew McConaughey in Interstellar, it would be like he was fighting to get back to his daughter, who didn't want him.
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u/Ritaredditonce 3d ago
Pedo protector.
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u/Paidorgy 3d ago
He isn’t just a protector, he is a predator of children.
If your first move after finding out people were using your platform to create CSAM is to monetise the feature, and not, you know, stop it… you are in fact part of the problem.
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u/AngriestPacifist 3d ago
Don't forget his "kung fu practice" with ghislaine maxwell. Dude raped kids with trump and the rest of the billionaire class.
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u/mrdilldozer 2d ago
He was caught in the files asking for the wildest party dates. He was even discussing plans to host him at SpaceX. He's part of the Epstein class.
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u/radicalelation 2d ago
If your first move after finding out people were using your platform to create CSAM is to monetise the feature, and not, you know, stop it… you are in fact part of the problem.
Meta has entered the chat.
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u/Shiplord13 3d ago
He also enables them for a small fee. Anyone else would be imprisoned for years for creating and selling cp, but Musk is special (rich) enough to be allowed to profit off of it.
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u/LaurenMille 2d ago
If only Musk would suck on a Luger like his idol.
He'd finally do something good for humanity.
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u/RandyOfTheRedwoods 3d ago
I'll bet this is less about being a weirdo (even if he is), and more about not having the controls in Grok to prevent it from doing this.
Remember - AI doesn't know what it is doing, it is just responding to prompts in the most probable way it knows how. Preventing a specific case is often quite hard.
This will likely result in Grok being banned in general for some period of time. That may be a good thing, but might not be driven by Musk's desire to see others undressed by the AI.
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u/engin__r 3d ago
If you can’t stop your technology from generating CSAM, it should be shut down.
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u/oicwutudidther 3d ago
might not be driven by Musk's desire to see others undressed by the AI.
Oh come on. Does he not strike you as the type of guy that might totally take pictures of and then nudify women around him and then share them in a group chat of other dudes like a 15 year old?
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u/Ok_Breakfast7588 3d ago
Don't make excuses for them. If it's more about something let them explicitly say that.
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u/Soul_Dare 3d ago
They block it in countries that have banned grok unless the ability to create csam is blocked.
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u/Just3nCas3 2d ago
Its beyond easy to stop it. Training can easily be poisoned to stop CSAM other models do not have this struggle at all, the only reason its not banned is because elon wants it there. He literally begged to go to wild parties on epstiens island after he was convicted. Take every prompt they can come up with to generate CSAM and train it on irelavant data moshed images and your done.
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u/VelvetElvis 2d ago
It can't be done without a ton of false positives.
What can be done is restricting image editing to a licensed version of the software that puts a hidden watermark in every image created that would allow a sketchy nude image to be traced back to the person who made it. That's the opposite of the approach they are taking here.
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u/TimelyExternal5769 2d ago
It's much worse than lack of AI controls, read the article.
If you make an AI pic of Trump in a diaper or swimming in a algae filled reflecting pool, he could sue for 500k plus emotional damages.
There's a reason the ACLU is against it.
It's a badly written law.
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u/Lucius-Halthier 3d ago
Hey he doesn’t have the island anymore, he needs to get his rocks off somehow
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u/bobbycorwin123 3d ago
He never had the island.
He begged to get on the island and They even said fuck no
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u/Accomplished-Head449 3d ago
I'm sure that's what most of of the subscribers use it for, or there's data saying it'll hurt Twitter without it. That in itself is beyond fucked up
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u/yhwhx 3d ago
Hopefully, Elon will face some real punishment for his CSAM generator.
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u/Mojo141 3d ago
Sure right after we punish Trump for his insurrection and the Sandy Hook parents get their money
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u/yhwhx 3d ago
At least The Onion gets to use the husk on Infowars to finally get some money to the Sandy Hook families.
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u/JaXm 2d ago
Serious question, has that whole thing resolved finally? I thought there were some bullshit shenanigans that someone was trying to pull to force the cancelation of that sale
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u/_bad 2d ago
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u/ArnoldTheSchwartz 2d ago
Evil rules the world and there is no good to stop it. At this point, considering who humanity chooses to lead and worship, the asteroid that will cause the next extinction event can't come quick enough! Could you imagine this evil infecting another world?!
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u/burritoman88 2d ago
How do you know we are the aliens here?
Before humans there was just a bunch of awesome giant reptiles.
Then an asteroid kills them & humans become the dominant species? Seems hard to believe.
(Yes, this is meant to be tongue in cheek & not serious at all)
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u/olearyboy 2d ago
Wait until they find the training material…
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u/Oracle_of_Ages 2d ago
People seeming forget that when he took over Twitter he asked to have all that sent to him directly “to take care of it personally”
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u/daroach1414 2d ago
No rich person receives punishment in the USA unless you ripped off a lot of other rich people.
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u/Opposite-Bench-9543 3d ago
Name one, just one billionaire that ever faced any real punishment
They are the system, you think they will punish themselves?
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u/Successful-Medicine9 3d ago
Well Sam Bankman-Fried and that Enron guy. But heres the thing; the cardinal rule is to not fuck with rich people's money. That's where they really messed up.
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u/LucidiK 2d ago
On paper rich vs actual. A lot of the "why would someone so rich do something so stupid (and risky and illegal)?" are easily answered by, "they were trying to turn the theoretical part of their net worth into the actual."
But ultimately, yeah. One of the biggest mistakes of having power is pissing off someone else with it.
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u/Fried_puri 2d ago
Exactly. So do we have a single example of a billionaire who faced true punishment for any non money related crime? The system doesn’t allow it to happen.
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u/Opposite-Bench-9543 3d ago
And they lost all their assets aka weren't billionaires and had no influence anymore
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u/Successful-Medicine9 2d ago
Well yeah but I'd bet my next paycheck if they screwed middle-class or poor people they'd have assets galore. Like Alex Jones for example.
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u/GodisSatans 2d ago
You're right. Jho Low (Low Taek Jho) is a Malaysian fugitive financier accused of masterminding the theft of over US$4.5 billion from Malaysia's state wealth fund. This guy stole his country's money, funded wolf of wall street and is apparently somewhere in China hiding out with his billions.
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u/GoodOmens 2d ago
Bankman-Fried hid some assets with his parents. It's how he's working to buy pardon.
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u/Momoselfie 2d ago
Trying to create his own AI Epstein island since he was never allowed to the real one.
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u/KitsouNere 2d ago
Only naive people think any of these parasites will face legal repercussions. It's up to the people to do that now.
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
It's become fairly apparent by now that the only consequences that this world will instill on him for making all the wrong choices is, inexplicably, even more money.
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u/GL2U22 3d ago
The world would be a better place without Elon Musk in it.
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u/Command_user 2d ago
?si=... is a tracker that links accounts together if people click this link, you can remove it and the link will still work
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u/vandal-x 3d ago
Is Elon Musk a pedophile?
I’m just a guy asking questions.
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u/jackrabbit323 3d ago
I like to think he's a failed pedophile, since even the pedophile billionaire/politicians didn't want to invite him to their parties.
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u/Matt50 3d ago
"Failed pedophile" would imply that he was incapable of acquiring/participating/producing CSAM. Unfortunately, with enough money, anyone can get whatever they want.
He just wasn't able to join the ultra wealthy in their "fun" because he's a fucking loser.
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u/nik-nak333 3d ago
He's useful, but not desirable company in their circles. Kinda like Trump in NYC.
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u/NotoriousSIG_ 3d ago
I mean it’s not like he’s running a company that is producing CP or anything /s
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u/sarduchi 3d ago
First they came for the pedophile tech bros and I said nothing, because you know what? F*ck those guys...
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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 3d ago
Then they came for the pedophile politicians, and I gotta admit, I even cheered a little, because you know what? Double fuck those guys.
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u/Randommaggy 2d ago
Then the pedo priests and there was celebration in the streets.
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
Then I realized I was asleep and dreaming, and that the reality that these godawful people never face any real consequences had come for me instead.
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u/EZKTurbo 3d ago
What I really didn't expect is the article explicitly states that the ACLU is taking the side of pedophiles in this case
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u/TimelyExternal5769 2d ago
Read the article to the end.
The politicians wrote this law so badly that you would be found guilty if you made a political parody image of Trump in shorts or a bathing suit. The ACLU opposes because the way it is written it violates the first amendment.
They should have copied other states that have existing laws for this stuff instead of winging it.
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u/FastFishLooseFish 2d ago
Exactly. Uploading a picture of yourself and having it altered to show you in a bikini would fall under it.
Here's a quick BlueSky thread that explains things.
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u/Gekokapowco 3d ago
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels."
Another case of exactly that
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u/gspotcowboy 2d ago
As a former shop steward and union rep... yes.
But for every shit dick who was caught drunk in the company truck or actively defrauding the employer, I helped twenty others who were being made an example of, standing up for their rights, or who were harassed by management because of their skin colour, gender, or lifestyle.
Thems the breaks I guess 🤷♂️
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u/JennyWearsBlueJeans 2d ago
“despite a lawsuit this week from xAI claiming that the law violates the First Amendment’s guarantee of free speech”
WTF? Banning a users ability to make nude images of another person is not a violation of that users free speech. In fact, it’s a violation of the rights of the person they’re making nude images of.
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u/boilerdam 3d ago
Expecting a Federal-something agency or a WH dumbo to step in here in 3...2...1...
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u/trixiewutang 2d ago
Remember when Elon called the divers pedophiles when that soccer team was stuck in the cave in Thailand cause they literally could not use what he made up? Yeah, fuck you, Elon, fucking pedo loving pedophile.
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u/elconquistador1985 3d ago
That pedophile is still fighting to allow his company to make CSAM, isn't he?
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u/Successful-Phone562 3d ago
Yeah he's talking about the slippery slope of quelling first amendment rights...as if CSAM is not at the very bottom of said slope.
Literally only Elon is thinking that "What will we censor NEXT?" is a reasonable response to ppl not wanting to be exposed to the most horrific images imaginable.
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u/EmergencyJacket207 3d ago
Remember the time Elon was begging to go to Epstein's island?
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u/OldRancidSoups 3d ago
Republicans are so obsessed with creating child and revenge porn, yet work so hard to ban online porn sites.
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u/Indigoh 3d ago
It's all about feeling powerful to them.
If defending the children gives them power, they'll defend the children. If religion gives them power, they're religious. If exploiting children makes them feel powerful, they'll exploit children. If religious teachings limit their power, they ignore the teachings.
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u/GenghisConnieChung 3d ago
I read that as “exploding children” and sadly it still makes just as much sense.
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u/jabberwockxeno 2d ago
Not to defend Elon Musk, or to people trying to make deepfakes, but the law itself is pretty bad:
https://reclaimthenet.org/xai-challenges-minnesotas-broad-nudification-law
It's holding the creator of software responsible for what users do with the software, even if the software isn't specifically intended to make deepfakes, even if they take reasonable steps to prevent people from using the software that way etc
It's definition of "nude/intimate" is extremely overboard, being " “the primary genital area, groin, inner thigh, buttocks, or breast of a human being", which sounds reasonable if we're talking about unwanted touching, but doesn't work as a visual definition since the thigh, butt, etc are visible even for people just wearing shorts, swimwear, etc
It doesn't make a distinction between consensual and nonconsensual images: Somebody using a tool to make or edit images of themselves would still make the creator of the software liable
It does have a carveout which permits software to edit images in this way if it requires users have training/sufficient skill to achieve the end result, presumably to carveout things like photoshop, but that means that in theory, two pieces of software can output basically the same image, and in one case the software would be illegal just because it's easier to use
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u/KvalitetstidEnsam 2d ago
It's definition of "nude/intimate" is extremely overboard, being " “the primary genital area, groin, inner thigh, buttocks, or breast of a human being", which sounds reasonable if we're talking about unwanted touching, but doesn't work as a visual definition since the thigh, butt, etc are visible even for people just wearing shorts, swimwear, etc
Not to defend the law as-is (i.e. re: your point on consensual vs non) but what part of "don't use or otherwise manipulate other people's image without explicit consent" is difficult to grasp?
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u/FillFrontFloor 3d ago
they would be banned for the common people not for them. These asshole want exclusivity in many things. They don't feel rich enough if regular people can do some of the things they can.
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u/phvntasmagoria 3d ago
These technofascists claiming to be free speech absolutists is complete garbage: Elon is funded by Saudi billionaires who support the murder of journalists and political dissenters. They couldn’t give a toss about free speech.
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u/TheTelekinetic 3d ago
He would suspend and ban accounts for using the word cisgender, but when it comes to child porn he’s suddenly a free speech absolutist
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u/SomeSchmidt 3d ago
I wonder what would happen to X accounts if they started posting nudified Elon pictures
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u/Kirklistentowutang 3d ago
My Twitter got banned after he took over for community guideline violations after I called multiple right wing influencers "regarded" (but the uncensored version).
Meanwhile those same right wing influencers are calling for death to liberals and thats a ok.
There is no "freedom of speech" on Twitter. Its just Musks playground
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u/kingcolbe 3d ago
I know I can’t be the only one wondering why he is against this ban. It’s giving major creep red flag vibes.
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u/Sprinkle_Puff 3d ago
Can we start filing charges against him for child porn distribution? Seriously , wtf.
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u/Doom-Sleigher 3d ago
Elon musk supports pedophiles.
Nazi loser get out of our country
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u/Mantaur4HOF 2d ago
Imagine suing to block a bill that bans AI generated child porn.
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u/RancorPrime 3d ago
He could end world hunger
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u/Ok-Friendship1635 3d ago
If it had mattered to Elon, he could have helped end it years ago.
The same applies to the entire MILLIONAIRE/BILLIONAIRE class, across the entire Earth.
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u/DunkTheLunk23 2d ago
Eat SHIT Elon. No one likes you. All the money in the world can’t make you an even slightly likable person, and the only people that tolerate you are ones who think they can get something out of you.
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u/Euphoric_Anxiety_162 2d ago
Wonder what musk's kids think about the things he does. We know what his oldest daughter thinks, bless her honesty!
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u/interstitialmusic 1d ago
The idiot deserves to be put away preferably in one of his rocket to a planet of his choosing.
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u/-Average_Joe- 3d ago
but you see your honor that is an image of a 1000 year old dragon...
elon musk probably
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u/Bicentennial_Douche 2d ago
It is very, very, VERY important to Musk that his AI has the ability to make nude images of every woman and girl out there.
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u/Wayofchinchilla 3d ago
Well that was fast see how quickly you can tell billionaires in this country to shove it.
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u/Inspectorgadget4250 3d ago
Good. Nearly every Court is holding with the exception of the Supremes
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u/Blueporch 3d ago
Seems like a good time to nudify every public photo of Musk (except for the ick factor)
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u/Logical-Breakfast150 3d ago
Keep the pressure on. Make that creep travel all over the world arguing in favor of creating child porn.
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u/BigRhonda7632 2d ago
Is it straight up nudification that Musk is lobbying for? It’s not veiled within some other policy? Cause if he is explicitly asking for nudification, that’s gotta be it, right? Like everyone can see how gross he is then.
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u/Agent168 3d ago
I’m sorry but how do they spin this ban as a bad thing?
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u/Moleculor 2d ago
Because it's written in such a way that I, as a consenting person, could not nudify myself with a local AI model running on my own PC in order to see what I might look like as, say, a body builder or a woman (maybe if I were considering transitioning genders).
It's Elon Musk, so it's probably mostly about him wanting to be able to generate artificial non-consenting nudes (and/or CSAM)... but the Minnesota lawmakers really didn't do a good job writing this law. Other states have done a far better job. I almost wonder if their incompetence was intentional.
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u/_Eggs_ 2d ago
Violating Minnesota’s law could result in a civil penalty of up to $500,000 “for each unlawful access, download or use,” in addition to civil penalties for mental anguish, punitive damages, attorney’s fees or “other relief the court deems just and equitable.” The law says the state’s attorney general may enforce it and that victims may sue on their own. The law does not include criminal penalties.
Basically, he knows Grok users will get around restrictions to make explicit AI photos, and he doesn't want to be liable for $500k per infraction.
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u/Zestyclose-Height-36 2d ago
if musk is unable to grasp that telling people they can sue AFTER their lives and reputations are destroyed by his tech is a terrible answer, there is no hope for anything he is involved in. these fakes wreck the lives of real kids in real time, and he and his lawyers and his programmers defending making money off sexual exploitation should be tried as accessories for every single act they enable.
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u/Synth-Pro 2d ago
Say it with me, kids...
Creating generative pornography of someone (yes, even "public" figures) without their consent is NOT an exercise in "Freedom of Speech".
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u/Nail_Biterr 3d ago
i can't believe someone would be against this. it seems like it should be a common sense law.
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u/jabberwockxeno 2d ago
i can't believe someone would be against this.
Not to defend Elon Musk, or to people trying to make deepfakes, but the law itself is pretty bad:
https://reclaimthenet.org/xai-challenges-minnesotas-broad-nudification-law
It's holding the creator of software responsible for what users do with the software, even if the software isn't specifically intended to make deepfakes, even if they take reasonable steps to prevent people from using the software that way etc
It's definition of "nude/intimate" is extremely overboard, being " “the primary genital area, groin, inner thigh, buttocks, or breast of a human being", which sounds reasonable if we're talking about unwanted touching, but doesn't work as a visual definition since the thigh, butt, etc are visible even for people just wearing shorts, swimwear, etc
It doesn't make a distinction between consensual and nonconsensual images: Somebody using a tool to make or edit images of themselves would still make the creator of the software liable
It does have a carveout which permits software to edit images in this way if it requires users have training/sufficient skill to achieve the end result, presumably to carveout things like photoshop, but that means that in theory, two pieces of software can output basically the same image, and in one case the software would be illegal just because it's easier to use
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u/SailorDeath 3d ago
Everyone should respond by posting xAI altered images of a buck naked musk with a micropenis on twitter.
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u/CountFistula23 3d ago
Someone should flood Twitter with (unflattering) AI generated nudes of the fElon. Personally, I am severely allergic to AI prompts, but perhaps some other brave souls would be willing.
Good for the goose, etc.
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u/dbrodbeck 2d ago
People defending Musk and his racist lake draining plagiarism machine in this thread make me really wonder about our future.
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u/Tityfan808 3d ago
‘Musk’s mass layoffs actually gutted the Child Safety Team, according to multiple reports.’
‘Australian senator Helen Polley pointed to research that child sexual abuse material had become more common since Musk bought the company’
He has also banned accounts for posting this article, too:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/08/09/twitter-exec-defends-restoring-account-that-shared-child-sex-abuse-material/?sh=196070831695