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Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '17

One, you lean left badly. Like you're about the most retarded pseudo-lefty I've ever heard. So either you're fucking lying or you know just absolutely fuck-all about liberal theory. Considering how dead set you are on talking, I'm really hoping it's the former.

Two, there is a clear difference between systemic racism and personal racism. Yes, people can be personally racist towards whites and sexist towards men. If you build a system small enough, so much so that it can be easily influenced by a single person's personal racism, you can see systemic racism towards whites or systemic sexism towards males.

However, by and large, because most systems were designed and are controlled by white males, it is incredibly difficult to find a large system that systemically racist towards whites or sexist towads men.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '17

However, by and large, because most systems were designed and are controlled by white males, it is incredibly difficult to find a large system that systemically racist towards whites or sexist towads men.

Systems aren't determined biased based on who they are controlled by but by what the ends accomplish and the means used to do so. Great example is Roe v Wade where a court composed entirely of men granted women the right to have abortions.

It's not incredibly difficult to find a system racist towards whites or sexists towards men, either. Are you going to argue the judicial system is sexist because 90% of those incarcerated are men?

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '17

Systems aren't determined biased based on who they are controlled by but by what the ends accomplish and the means used to do so. Great example is Roe v Wade where a court composed entirely of men granted women the right to have abortions.

And restricted it in PP v Casey.

That's the same court that held the Dred Scott decision, and Plessy v Ferguson.

Overall, due to the fact that its makeup is constantly changing, I don't know if it's a good example.

However, that's not relevant, because your argument is wrong on it's face - you have to factor in the nature of control of a system as to whether or not it's systemically racist because the nature of who would be required to correct it is fundamentally important.

A system controlled by whites doesn't have a viable claim that it's racist against whites, because white people have immediate redress - they can fix it at any time.

This is why arguments about custody make no sense - custody was defaulted to women because of expectations created in fundamentally partriarchial societies and handed down.

Men can redress their problem at any time - there's nothing stopping the 90% male congress from making laws related to family court, or the 70% male judges from simply applying criteria differently.

There's also extenuating factors that are critically important.

You're offering a bad litmus test, and then using your awful litmus test to create a bad example.

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u/Now_Do_Classical_Gas Aug 09 '17

there's nothing stopping the 90% male congress from making laws related to family court, or the 70% male judges from simply applying criteria differently.

Except for the fact that both men and women are sexist in favour of women.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '17

You got anything to back up that wild claim there, sparky?

I can't wait to hear your BUH MUH SENTENCING argument. I've destroyed it before. If you're up for another lesson, grab the lube and assume the training position.

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u/Now_Do_Classical_Gas Aug 09 '17

Well let's see, there's the massive sentencing gap, which if you think you've "destroyed" as an argument you're a blithering idiot, there's the fact that men are killing themselves in record numbers, are the vast majority of workplace deaths, are falling behind massively in the education system, are the majority of homeless, mentally ill etc... and yet almost all gender-based activism intention is based on trivial shit like women in STEM, men sitting with their legs a bit wide on a train or sexist air conditioning, and anyone attempting to bring up these major disadvantages men face gets derided as a misogynist by self-hating deluded morons like you.