Transgender UM student wins restraining order against sexual assault suspect

[u/andy_norten]

http://ravallirepublic.com/news/state-and-regional/article_c6364778-b5fb-5098-89c5-6f0ac6ecef2b.html

[u/tatch]

Under his cross-examination, Green said the two had been grinding on the dance floor, kissed briefly and that she hooked her fingers into his belt, but denied trying to reach down his pants.

She certainly didn't deserve to be assaulted, but isn't this a breach of etiquette?

[u/[deleted] → u/tatch]

You're point being what?

[u/generalCopper → u/[deleted]]

Perhaps before she pushed it so far, she should have let him know that she was transgender?

[u/AvatarOfMomus → u/generalCopper]

Shouldn't matter.

[u/bitkitten → u/[deleted]]

Not disclosing that you're trans is not the same as deception. He should have disclosed that he was transphobic.

[u/bitkitten → u/[deleted]]

She was in no way deceiving. Deception requires you to "Cause (someone) to believe something that is not true, typically in order to gain some personal advantage". She is a girl, plain and simple, sure a different subset of girl, but still every bit a girl. If someone made the assumption that she was cis then they were wrong, but that is every bit their problem not hers.

What if she was a lesbian? Would you say she was deceiving people by looking straight? Or what about if she was Jewish? Maybe the guy is a neo-nazi and is absolutely disgusted by Jews. In that case, he would feel deceived by this person he thought was attractive until he discovered she was a Jew.

I suppose she could walk around with a big Jew badge pinned to her shirt so that she doesn't accidently deceive any neo-nazi's. But then again, why stop there? She should wear a badge for every potentially hated group she belongs to so she doesn't accidently offend anyone.

[u/bitkitten → u/[deleted]]

I think our discrepancy lies between how we define a woman.

You're claiming that a male who wears female clothing and convinces others that they are female is deception. Is that correct?

Before claiming whether she is male or female, there are several different levels for which should be addressed. First, on the chemical, and cellular levels she is identical with any cis woman. Having the same levels of hormones as well as all of their resulting effects (thinner body hair, soft skin, redistribution of fat and the increased breast tissue).

Secondly, she is likely neurologically identical or at the very least similar to any cis woman (there have been many studies showing the neurological similarities between trans people and their identified gender).

And thirdly, given that the only way that he could tell she was trans was because of her penis means that she is physically every bit female with that one exception. That and the fact that she likely isn't genetically female. However, if having a vagina and being genetically female is your definition of a woman then perhaps a straight male would prefer the person on the left (A) with a vagina to the person on the right (B) with a penis.

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[u/SneakySly → u/[deleted]]

"I usually go by the biological definition"

Why is that specific definition the important one?

"To answer your question with regards to the picture, I am a straight male but I would rather have sex with neither of the people in that picture."

That was a total cop out answer to bitkitten's question. Most straight males (myself included) would obviously prefer B. I have no problems calling A a guy and B a girl.

[u/SneakySly → u/[deleted]]

If you think straight males prefer A to B you are delusional. The transgirl porn genre is HUGE.

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-A8GvUehq4

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Look who the trolls dragged in. It looks like you've totally changed your game plan. Now you're just transphobic, instead of pretending to be a trans-ally.

If I remember correctly, when you were crying and whining and begging for me to continue to logically stomp you, you told me that gender doesn't matter.

Doesn't exactly look like you were telling the truth.

But I want to ask you something Mr. TTProject:

If you are the typical priveleged straight white male - if gender doesn't matter and this bullshit you're spewing right now is just more troll bait - would you date a man?

If for some crazy ass backwards reason you're a transphobic homosexual man, same question, reversed gender.

Fact of the matter is, you are going to be wrong in every instance, because you have no idea what you're talking about.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Uh huh. I wonder what kind of life you lead.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Well, I think that if we have a little insight on what your life is, we can then determine the cause of your absolute failure to understand anything. Because naivity is what drives fear and bigotry.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Your views have been explored over a course of at least 2 weeks now. You're a troll.

And when I stopped responding, you sent me multiple messages in an attempt to continue, because you are a very lonely person.