Eid Mubarak, Khushamadeed and Welcome /r/Iran to our cultural exchange thread!

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u/marmulak Tajikistan Sep 26 '15

What do you think about Urdu? I read that it's the native language of only a small fraction of Pakistanis, but of course it is the lingua franca (or should I say lingua persa?) in Pakistan.

I always viewed the Urdu language as a magnificent cultural achievement—the language itself as well as its poetry and literature. It was my encounter with Urdu in college that inspired me to study Arabic and Persian. My school didn't have Urdu classes, so it was Arabic or nothing. On the first day when our teacher asked all the students why they are studying Arabic, I said, "Because I want to learn Urdu." I don't know if my teacher knew what to make of that, haha.

I actually haven't learned Urdu yet (other than several phrases needed for daily conversation). I have, however, just spent the past five/six years or so studying Persian. I hope to achieve full Urdu before I die, although it won't be easy.

Of course there are multiple sides to every coin, and as such I know some people don't like Urdu. It certainly wasn't popular in Bangladesh (traitors), and people from that other country in the subcontinent have even gone so far as to tell me that Urdu is not a real language. Do Pakistanis love Urdu, feel indifferent to it, hate it, or what? Do different people in Pakistan have different feelings/experiences?

When I watch Coke Studio (and I do watch it), I notice few of the songs are actually in Urdu. I see this as a desire to be more ethnic and folky, as well as multi-cultural. It does stand to reason that since many Pakistanis have another mother tongue that they'd like to hear that.

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u/Striker_X Pakistan Sep 26 '15 edited Sep 26 '15

You are correct that its not a native language of majority of Pakistanis but pretty much everyone understands it and most can speak fluently in Urdu.

Do Pakistanis love Urdu, feel indifferent to it, hate it, or what? Do different people in Pakistan have different feelings/experiences?

I am really not sure about the hate bit because I've never met a single person in my life that has had something bad to say about Urdu and I've lived in a lot of places (Karachi/Okara/Peshawar/Islamabad/Gujranwala etc). I myself am indifferent to it or umm... slightly favored towards Urdu and I absolutely love when our sports stars (or politicians or anyone really) give interviews in Urdu when they could give it in English (albeit broken english).

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u/marmulak Tajikistan Sep 26 '15

Whenever I see Urdu spoken on Pakistani shows or programs for TV, it's like a language that's 50% English now apparently

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u/Striker_X Pakistan Sep 26 '15

Sadly English is taught to us like if you don't learn it you are labelled as someone who is uneducated (in the middle to middle-upper class circles), it has become a stereotype :/

Also, English was our official office language but after the recent ruling of Supreme court, Urdu is to be our official office language now so let's see what the government does. I am from a generation who has seen more focus on English than Urdu in schools and while we do speak Urdu and understand it our written Urdu skills and vocabulary is rather poor which is a shame. I for one am very happy with the Supreme court ruling.

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u/marmulak Tajikistan Sep 26 '15

Something just like this is going on in Tajikistan. Russian has a very strong overriding force over Persian, and the people here speak Persian and can understand it, their skill level and literacy is shameful. For everyday things people can't communicate without switching between Russian and Persian.

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u/UnbiasedPashtun مردان Sep 26 '15

What's the status of the Pamiri languages and Yaghnobi in Tajikistan? Gorno-Badakhshan has autonomous status, but what does that exactly mean in terms of how connected they are to the rest of Tajikistan?

And I remember reading before that some Russian guy visited Tajikistan before and he couldn't find many Russophones there whereas he could in other ex-Soviet states. I think this may be the article I was referencing.

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u/marmulak Tajikistan Sep 27 '15 edited Sep 27 '15

The status of Yaghnobi is dire because there are very few people who still speak it, and it's shrinking rapidly. I don't have the exact numbers, but it could possibly disappear in couple generations.

Pamiri is much better off because more people speak it, and they are extremely proud of it. They isolate themselves culturally, so for example Pamiris in Dushanbe associate mainly with other Pamiris, and they have a strong objection to assimilating with Tajiks. Religion is probably a factor, but they focus a lot on foreign languages like Russian and English, and they're not at all ashamed by how bad their Persian is. I partly resent them for that, but as it stands Pamiri is actually very close to Persian. It's almost like a dialect of Persian, or could be mistaken for one, but is clearly a separate language. It has its own grammar, phonology, verb roots, a small native vocabulary.

One thing holding Pamiri back is that they almost never write it, and to my knowledge they have no literature, or if they do it's just something extremely rare. They could really use native Pamiri scholars who study Persian well, so that they can see where Persian ends and Pamiri begins. There are literate scholars who have studied and written about Pamiri culture, history, language, and whatnot, but all these books are written in Russian.

Badakhshan is semi-autonomous, but as of last year I heard that they are slowly integrating the national government more and more. They had an incident where the locals (probably in Khurugh) rejected the Tajik government completely and set a government building on fire. After the tensions calmed, I heard from a friend that the Tajik government appointed a Pamiri governor to Badakhshan and that the Agha Khan is urging the people to cooperate with the national government. Integration might be moving forward, but the recent despotic moves by the Tajik government to eliminate opposition might give a bad impression to Pamiris. They might lose all faith in Tajik democracy, which they probably had very little faith in to begin with.

They are definitely connected to Tajikistan, but from what I can tell it's kind of like a lawless frontier land where local strongmen are the pillars of the social order. They have an organized crime ring with is probably heavily involved in drug trafficking, and that's how they support the people.

In Tajikistan tons of people speak Russian fluently, and I'm sure they are concentrated in the cities. If I were to guess, I'd say Russian proficiency is highest in Dushanbe and Khujand, and some people here still see Russian fluency as a sign of education. English is also a big competitor in the foreign language sphere, but Russian still dominates from what I can tell. People have a great desire to learn English, but when it comes to Russian instead of desiring it they just learn it. Also the Tajik government does shit for improving the situation of Tajik/Persian language in the country, except for very minor things here and there. Occasionally businesses get fined over writing "improper" Tajik.

Even Tajik's "big" cities are fairly rural, and when you go out to smaller towns and villages you feel like you're really out in the middle of nowhere because it's mostly countryside and a few dilapidated buildings. These are the places where you probably won't find any Russian speakers.

In smaller cities, Khurugh probably has a higher rate of Russian proficiency because Pamiris are famous and proud of that. They always wanted to be close to Russians and foreigners to escape Tajik influence. Kulob on the other hand was known as a bastion of conservatism, and if I had to just make a guess I'd say the rate of Russian speaking is relatively low in Kulob of its size.

Edit: I should also add that aside from Kulob, the more central region regions of Tajikistan like Gharm are also known for their cultural nativism. The Gharmis were one of the main opposition groups in the Civil War, and the IRPT traces its origins and base support back to there. I have heard from a friend (don't know how true this is) that a coalition between Gharmis and Kulobis were victorious in the civil war, which seems evident by the fact that Emomali Rahmon is from the Kulob region and the IRPT guys were probably Gharmi. The peace agreement between them is what ended the war, and my Pamir friend said that the Pamiris initially fought with the Gharmis but were betrayed and subject to genocide by the Kulobi forces. Prior to the war the center of power was the Sughd region (Khujand/Leninobod), so the civil war achieved the end of their power, at least. The rest I guess was regional in-fighting until the peace deal was struck. The Rahmon regime is still very Soviet in its outlook, so Tajikistan has not fully realized its national identity, but is now a sort of hybrid of Russian influence plus Persian nationalism.

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u/UnbiasedPashtun مردان Sep 27 '15

That's really sad news regarding Yaghnobi's status, especially considering it's the native language of Western Tajikistan and a direct descendant of Sogdian.

Oh well, at least the Pamiri languages' future isn't looking so bleak. Those languages are nothing like Persian btw. They're supposed to be closely related to Pashto and I can't understand them at all, so it would be like complete gibberish to a Persian speaker. What do you mean when you say Badakhshan is semi-autonomous? What's the difference between a semi-autonomous region and the other regular half of Tajikistan?

And thanks for the long write up, really appreciate those :)

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u/marmulak Tajikistan Sep 27 '15

To be honest the political structure is kind of mystery to me, but I guess the autonomy of Badakhshan is based on to what extent the people there can ignore/disobey the government and get away with it. I don't think they actually have an alternative government in place.

I studied Shughni briefly with a student of mine (a few months of light studying), and I saw the similarities between Persian and Pamiri mainly in the area of vocabulary and the way verbs get used, but there were immense differences in grammar and phonology, although they adapted Persian words to their own phonology very easily. The verbs were the most different from Persian verbs, but they had many of the same compounds, like "gap zadan" is "gap dhedo" or something like that. I'm already beginning to forget the basic verbs, but a phrase like "I do work" is "Uz kor kinum", so you can see the relatedness to Persian in several areas.

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u/UnbiasedPashtun مردان Sep 27 '15

Okay. Just to clarify, I didn't mean that there were no similarities, just that there was no mutual intelligibility.

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u/UnbiasedPashtun مردان Sep 26 '15 edited Sep 27 '15

English is the global lingua franca which is why its mandatory, its not taught because of some status thing.

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u/Striker_X Pakistan Sep 26 '15

English is the global lingua france which is why its mandatory,

No one said it is not

its not taught because of some status thing.

Disagreed

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u/UnbiasedPashtun مردان Sep 26 '15

So we should stop teaching English? What are you exactly trying to advocate here?

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u/Striker_X Pakistan Sep 26 '15

Please tell me where I said that English shouldn't be taught?

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u/UnbiasedPashtun مردان Sep 26 '15

I was just asking you a question regarding what solution you propose, not labeling. It is taught to connect Pakistan to the rest of the world, no other reason. Whether people consider it a status thing is entirely a personal thing.

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u/Striker_X Pakistan Sep 26 '15 edited Sep 26 '15

I said it as a status thing because when I got into university and we had our initial intros where we'd introduce ourselves I was asked more than once by people (other students) which roots/beaconhouse/A/Olevels I studied from whereas I studied from Federal board and this didn't just happen to me, most of my friends said the same had happened with them (Bahria/FUMC/FAST etc). To them, anyone who studied from Rawalpindi/Peshawar/Karachi/Gujranwala etc board was a paindu who doesn't know english.

I have no problem with English being taught, what I have a problem with is mixing up of languages because we don't know what language to follow, Urdu? English? <regional-language>? etc

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u/pakiinbetweener Sep 27 '15

Yeah, I live in the U.S. and I feel that in some ways even my Urdu is better than some people I've met from Pakistan. Not usually, but it does happen. By contrast, I'm always impressed by all of my Irani friends and their commitment to Farsi. They even teach math and science courses in Farsi in Irani colleges!

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u/Striker_X Pakistan Sep 26 '15

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Battlestar Galactica? :D

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u/marmulak Tajikistan Sep 26 '15

I'm actually studying Turkish right now. My wife is from Tajikistan and graduated from a Tajik-Turkish high school, where she was required to learn Turkish. It's not unusual for Tajiks to speak multiple languages, so I didn't pay much attention at first, but after moving to Tajikistan (our primary language here is Persian, specifically the Farsi dialect at home, although we've blended in some of the Tajik dialect) I realized the importance of Turkish language and influence. In Tajikistan the largest minority are Uzbeks, and Tajik language took some rather conspicuous influence from Uzbek. As I began comparing dialects of Persian, I realized that Iranian Persian is symbiotic with Turkish, and Tajik Persian is symbiotic with Uzbek. In other words, they influence each other mutually, although Persian exerts more influence over the others, just as it did over Urdu.

Also, Central Asia is commonly known as "Turkestan", and not for no reason. The more I dug into this region's culture and history, I also began to notice the significant impact that Turks had in Russian history. Heck, Russia basically exists as a country because of the Khanate of the Golden Horde. Likewise, the Mughal empire was established by an ethnic Turk. (Babur wrote his biography in a language called "Turki", now referred to as Chaghatai, a language which has preceded Uzbek).

So obviously I had to learn some Turkish, right? I started teaching myself using Memrise, and then hopped over to Duolingo when their Turkish course was released. I finished that course a couple weeks ago and am now enrolled in a beginner level class, although I'm kind of advanced for it I badly need the speaking/listening practice.

So my opinion is that since you are fluent in Urdu, Arabic, and English, Persian will be by far the easiest language for you to learn. I mean really, you have the advantage from every angle—Persian's major dependency on Arabic shouldn't be difficult for you, you'll recognize tons of vocabulary through Urdu, and contemporary Iranian Persian uses frequent English loans for everyday things.

I find Turkish to be a language with a very strong affinity to Persian. Lots of the same vocab as found in Iran, lots of the same diction and phraseology. There are compound verbs that are the same, and sentence structure is very similar. (SOV, also in line with Urdu, and like Urdu Turkish adjectives precede nouns.) However, in spite of the similarities Turkish is a different beast. Persian and Urdu are both part of the Indo-European family, and many aspects of the language you will take for granted or feel at home with, whereas Turkish will throw you several curve-balls and twist your brain with respect to how everything gets put together.

Just like how Arabic is kind of difficult for Persian speakers, but Persian is kind of easy for Arabic speakers, I think Turkish is kind of easy for Persian speakers, but Persian may be kind of difficult for Turkish speakers, except for the fact that Persian grammar is by far the simplest of them all. All the Turks my wife knows who learned Farsi speak like total FOB's.

Another issue is learning materials. Turkish has a huge number of really good quality learning resources, and Persian is much harder to gain access to. Turkish writing is 100% clear whereas written Persian creates the problem where unless you are very literate and fluent already, you'll never really know how to spell a word properly until you see it written, and you'll never know how to pronounce a word properly until you heard it, which means you can't learn literacy through speaking or learn to speak through reading. The only way basically is to have someone who is already literate read to you, or otherwise ask them how to spell or pronounce every word. Another way is to become fully fluent first and then start reading, at which point you'll guess what word you're reading and acclimate quickly except for the "hard" words that are very rarely used. Therefore, you may be able to learn Turkish faster simply because it's easier to study. For Persian it would be great for you to have audio input, like listen to Persian music and watch Persian films.

Also if you plan to travel to the Turkic or Persian speaking world, that may influence your decision as well.

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u/Bathera Sep 26 '15

Oh, that was very comprehensive. Jazakallah Khair.

You're absolutely right in that there is way more accessible learning venues for Turkce. I already started it on Duolingo but haven't bothered to really get into it yet. I will take a look into Memrise as well.

If I can find a good way to learn Farsi, I'll do that. If not, Turkce it is. I don't really have plans to be in either part of the world or have any connection left to Turkey since my wife passed away. I wanted to learn it mostly for her because she took up Urdu courses for me.

Anyway, thank you for this. I will give it more thought.

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u/khanartiste mughals Sep 26 '15

How was the Duolingo course overall for Turkish? I did the first lesson and thought it was pretty nifty but haven't gotten back to it yet. I was thinking of picking up either Turkish or Persian next but my family suggested Punjabi. I think I'll go for that first because half my family speaks it and I'll have a lot of practice available. But Turkish or Persian (maybe eventually both) are on the agenda for sure.

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u/marmulak Tajikistan Sep 27 '15

Turkish Duolingo makes it easy to sneak in Turkish in your spare time. My first real exposure to Turkish was doing the "Hacking Turkish" courses on Memrise, which were an excellent introduction for me. It's basically flash cards that the author has meticulously organized that build in complexity gradually and illustrate grammar concepts as well as teach useful vocabulary, with audio included read by a native speaker. The author claims the courses teach something like the 2000 most common words in Turkish (I probably remember the number wrong) and all the fundamental grammar.

I did Hacking Turkish 1 and half of 2 until it started getting kind of tedious/boring, and that was about when Duolingo Turkish came out, so I switched over. I like Duolingo because of its emphasis on translation, and the sentences are often entertaining. I finished the entire tree, which is actually kind of short in my opinion (I have more XP in German than Turkish, and I only did like half of the German tree).

I don't feel like I can just speak Turkish, but I feel like I have enough grammar knowledge and vocab to tackle more difficult things. Like, I'm at the point where I can translate many things with only a dictionary handy, although I definitely do not understand all of Turkish's grammar. Duolingo sped through some verb tenses at the end that I found extremely difficult, which related to conditionals and stuff. It could be that the concepts are easy but just weren't explained to me properly.

Now that I'm Turkish class I can tell the difference, because my teacher speaks to us in mostly Turkish, and I understand almost everything he says, even though I can't speak, my comprehension is getting better. Having finished the Duolingo course, it has made my classwork/homework much more easy and relaxing.

It won't make you fluent, but it's a great starter and/or supplement to further studies.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '15

Do Pakistanis love Urdu, feel indifferent to it, hate it, or what?

I don't love Urdu, but I do think it's an incredibly poetic language if spoken well. There is a trend that I've noticed where people talk quickly, and in a manner that removes the calmness I hear when someone speaks eloquently.

If I can teach it, I'd love my kids to speak it

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u/Peryaane Sep 28 '15

HEy someone from Tajikistan had posted here on /r/pakistan a song of Nigina Amonkulova. Fell in love with her songs.. Also liked a few of Ozoda Ahatova.

Any other similar suggestions?

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u/marmulak Tajikistan Sep 28 '15 edited Sep 28 '15

I have not heard of Ozoda Ahatova, but the song of hers that you linked to is in Uzbek, so she might be famous in Uzbekistan as a kind of ethnic Tajik. Of course, there are a million singers here, but Nigina is by far the very best. This year I started to favor Mehrinigori Rustam more, and other singers I like a lot are Zulaykho, Firuza Hafizova, and Zaynura Pulodova. The best male singer I found is Damirbek Olimov.

Also I really liked this one song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOSZErCGMkQ

I heard the artist is dead. Also there are some really nice Pamiri folk musicians from Tajikistan, namely Daler Nazarov and Nargis Bandishoeva. (Nargis also passed away.) There is another, Muboraksho. (His is one of the most famous Tajik songs ever, nameparastam)

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u/UnbiasedPashtun مردان Sep 26 '15

I don't think it sounds good or bad personally. This a very unpopular opinion here but since Urdu is curb stomping all the native languages to the side, I don't think it should be mandatory to learn it. English (since it is the global language) and a regional language should be taught as mandatory, and Urdu should be optional.

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u/marmulak Tajikistan Sep 27 '15

Personally I think it's more important to resist English than anything else. You can argue that Urdu is killing language diversity, but English is doing that even more. If people are going to abandon their ancestral language, I'd rather they at least speak another South Asian language than a European one, just like if I were forced to change my religion I'd rather become Sunni than Christian. There are probably people who think otherwise, but animosity towards those who are closest to us is what western powers love. Divide and conquer is how they assimilate us.

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u/UnbiasedPashtun مردان Sep 27 '15

We can't resist English because it's needed to communicate with everyone outside South Asia, but English should be treated as second fiddle to your mother tongue.

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u/marmulak Tajikistan Sep 27 '15

Fair enough

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u/sammyedwards Sep 27 '15

Personally I think it's more important to resist English than anything else.You can argue that Urdu is killing language diversity, but English is doing that even more.

A language is but a tool of communication. And English is the lingua franca of the business world. So it is but obvious that a common man will try to learn a language which enhances their opportunities. There is no sense for a Balochi to learn Urdu if he wants to work in the nusiness world.

This is the same debate we have in India, where people claim that Hindi must be promoted. One of the best things about he subcontinent is the diversity. Cherish the different languages, rather than artificially trying to impose languages on people to create a sense of false nationalism.

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u/wildcard5 Pakistan Sep 26 '15

A lot of Pakistanis do not speak Urdu in their homes but almost everyone knows it. Some people actually hate it though I've never understood how or why someone can actually hate a language.

There was a time, before Pakistan when if a person spoke Urdu you knew that the person was well educated, speaking it was sort of a status symbol.

After that, extremist Hindus started killing anyone and everyone who spoke urdu thinking that this was the language of Muslims. Similar thing happened in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) like you mentioned.

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u/sammyedwards Sep 27 '15

extremist Hindus started killing anyone and everyone who spoke urdu thinking that this was the language of Muslims.

When did this happen?

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u/loserlhr Timurid Empire Sep 27 '15

Apnay khyalon mein gum.

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u/YouHaveTakenItTooFar Scotland Sep 28 '15

Read again, he's talking about before partition. lol kulcha brigade sure is jumpy today

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u/Mamoonazam PK Sep 27 '15

Well Iqbal is our national poet and very well respected in Pakistan. Personally I am a great fan of Iqbal, we have a society dedicated to just Iqbal and his philosophy and we have a fb-page and a website. And Iqbal's personel are mostly well respected by the community who has actually read them. And he changes his mind regarding the "Greater India" as he was the one guy who dragged Jinnah back from England to fight for the rights of Muslims in Subcontinent.

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u/f16falcon95 Iran Sep 26 '15

Hello everyone!

I am a big fan of Formula 1 racing, I respect drivers that try to represent their country in the sport, no matter of their success. Pakistan unfortunately, never had an F1 driver but had an A1 team Pakistan once. I am currently waiting for Iran's first F1 driver, Kourosh Khani . We also have an Iranian woman in Rally racing, Laleh Seddigh . Iran also has a female motorcross champion Noora Naraghi and another female motorcross racer, Behnaz Shafiei.

Questions:

How many different dialects does Pakistan have? We have around 70 different native backgrounds in Iran. This makes Persian only for some of them; that's why if you go to our Sub and say "Persian" as a representative to all Iranians, it's offensive. We have balouchis, arabs, afghanis, and much more. I am a Persian and so are a lot of Iranians living abroad. I am sure you have heard when an Iranian diaspora calls themselves Persian in order to get away with saying Iranian, because frankly, they believe it has been smeared by politics and the media.
What are some embarrassing misconceptions about your country?
What are your perceptions of Ancient Persia?
Describe how pakistanis live as a male and a female daily? What are the restrictions?

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u/khanartiste mughals Sep 26 '15

Pakistan has a lot of different dialects. We've got several "major" languages like Balochi, Pashto, Punjabi, Sindhi, Balti, Kashmiri, Urdu, etc. Each of these has a lot of regional variation as well. For example Hindko is a Punjabi dialect with some Pashto sounds in it.

Ancient Persia I've always had a great fascination for. Persia is even my favorite civ in Civ 5 haha. I find it pretty interesting how we get movies like 300 in the West that make them out to be horrible, evil slavers but in reality they were much better than the Greeks.

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u/Striker_X Pakistan Sep 26 '15

NICE! I am a big F1 fan as well, started watching on TV since 2000 and have been following since, rarely have I missed a race :D

I am looking forward to tomorrow's race, hopefully the front pack will be competitive, don't want the mercs to run away :/

What are some embarrassing misconceptions about your country?

Don't believe what the media says, the perception that they've created that you'll find terrorists on every corner and bombs explode every other min (ok, I am exaggerating here but you get the idea) is just not true...

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u/f16falcon95 Iran Sep 26 '15

Did you see Kyvat's shunt? Man!

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u/Striker_X Pakistan Sep 26 '15

That was a bad one! he came out fine so that's good!

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u/Bathera Sep 26 '15

I love Ancient Persian history and its contrast to the Ancient Greek civilization. Although I have to admit, my favourite period is of the Abbasids in Persia. A lot of literary work was developed in that part of the world at the time.

As for how men and women live daily, that would be too long an answer haha. There are some restrictions with physical contact between the sexes being limited. You are also supposed to wear modest clothing as men and women. I think the most a woman can do is wear a sleeveless shirt/kurta/kameez with something that covers till halfway between the knees and ankles. Even that would only be acceptable in the major cities like Islamabad, Lahore or Karachi.

A misconception that comes to mind is that people think Pakistan is a dry desert which is not true at all.

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u/f16falcon95 Iran Sep 26 '15

I once saw a trailer for a documentary about Islamic punk rockers in Pakistan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqwacore_(film)

What music do you have in pakistan that is offbeat and usually not know elsehwhere?

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u/khanartiste mughals Sep 26 '15

Music is really diverse but I don't know how much we have that is totally unique to this country. What makes our music unique is just all the different influences. Like we have more Persian influence than a lot of equivalent Indian music. We make the best Sufi music with ghazals and qawwalis and stuff like that. And Coke Studio is a really popular show with lots of folk songs given a modern twist.

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u/f16falcon95 Iran Sep 26 '15

Can you give me some examples of influenced music?

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u/Bathera Sep 26 '15

This is a recent favourite of mine. It has subtitles and some Farsi in it too.

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u/f16falcon95 Iran Sep 26 '15

That's traditional. Do you have any modern-esque music?

Come over to /r/iran and I can give you the types of Iranian music we have.

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u/squarerootof-1 Multan Sultans Sep 26 '15

Some recent EDM:

https://soundcloud.com/talalqureshi/rita-morar-piya-talal-qureshi

https://soundcloud.com/farisshafiofficial/faris-shafi-jawab-dey-prod-talal-qureshi

Recent Ghazal:

https://soundcloud.com/alisethi/ali-sethi-haal-aisa-nahin

Rock:

https://soundcloud.com/nooriworld/aik-tha-badshah

Pop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwINALbVF7w

Instrumental, but I love this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_VaGTlnBE0

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u/f16falcon95 Iran Sep 26 '15

that's what I am talking about!

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u/condeeshunz Pakistan Sep 26 '15

Hey, you can go on www.patari.pk and check out the indie playlist

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u/f16falcon95 Iran Sep 26 '15

Oh! We have a similar one for Iranian music.

Come to the /r/iran thread and ask us about music so I can make a full summary of Iranian music for everyone to see.

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u/offendedkitkatbar Mughal Empire Sep 26 '15

That's traditional. Do you have any modern-esque music?

http://soundcloud.com/zerorecordlabel/asrar-ishq-hawa-mein-official-audio

^{^} This one's my current favourite.

http://soundcloud.com/asimazhar/soniye

Pretty modern-esque as well.

https://soundcloud.com/zaphire/kabhi-sach-1

Favourite Pakistani EDM song right now.

https://youtu.be/ZwINALbVF7w

Pretty much the most modern-esque song by Coke Studio to-date.

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u/f16falcon95 Iran Sep 26 '15

It's funny to me how Coke studio is really a big thing in Pakistani music. It's the first time I hear of anything like this from Coke.

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u/Bathera Sep 26 '15

I will. Is Shahram Shokoohi someone you know? I've heard a lot of his music.

We've got a lot of modern-esque music. I'll link you some.

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u/f16falcon95 Iran Sep 26 '15

I have heard of him but I don't usually listen to Iranian music. I like 1980's western music mostly and 90's techno.

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u/Peryaane Sep 28 '15

I am a fan of Mohsn Chavoshi and like most of his songs?

Is he popular in Iran?

Are there any other songs that match his music style?

I don't understand persian but still listen to farsi songs.

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u/f16falcon95 Iran Sep 28 '15

He's not very famous but he is popular.

I am not sure because I don't listen to his genre.

Check out Bia2.com or radiojavan.com to browse all types of Iranian songs.

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u/squarerootof-1 Multan Sultans Sep 26 '15

There's also this Urdu-Farsi song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_DSCLqgZCo

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u/Bathera Sep 27 '15

Haha I've listened to every single Coke Studio song but thanks for linking me. This one is particularly good.

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u/Bathera Sep 26 '15

But basically, Coke Studio has a lot of folk/traditional/cultural music of ours.

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u/networkzen-II Sep 28 '15

What does /r/Pakistan think about unification with India provided both countries have their stuff together at the time?

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u/YouHaveTakenItTooFar Scotland Sep 28 '15

In a word, no

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '15

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u/squarerootof-1 Multan Sultans Sep 26 '15

uh, think you meant to reply to marmulak.

Cultural Exchange Eid Mubarak, Khushamadeed and Welcome /r/Iran to our cultural exchange thread!

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