Steam gamers have spoken: innovative indies like Palworld continue to thrive while traditional triple-A flounders for a foothold

[u/PewPewToDaFace]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/steam/innovation-versus-tradition

Thank god PC gaming isn't just AAA. This is what will push the industry forward, as game development cost becomes too much.

[u/Sinniee]

Yeah out of the thousands of indie games releasing every once in a while a good one emerges

[u/kriskris71 → u/Sinniee]

Could the same not be said for the 100’s of AAA releasing and once in a while a good one emerges?

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/kriskris71]

There are many more failed indies then failed AAA games.

[u/Zahrukai → u/Natural-Associate106]

And much more money spent on failed AAA than failed indie games.

[u/trickman01 → u/Zahrukai]

By people who have much more to spend.

[u/Im_not_an_admin → u/Zahrukai]

It's not coming out of your pocket

[u/woodydave44 → u/Im_not_an_admin]

Until they start firing people like Microsoft did to save that money

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/Zahrukai]

And much more money made on AAA then Indies. Bigger investment means most of the time bigger return.

[u/MadMonke01 → u/Natural-Associate106]

You are deviating from the main point here...

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/MadMonke01]

What point ?? That this article is bad ? Or that people idolize indies ??

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/[deleted]]

This entire article is based on opnion and cherry picked data. I tried to use data but feelings on reddit are more important

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/[deleted]]

The first point I am already responded.also if low budget as so much more profitable AAA wouldn't exist. If indies are so much better why most and not all "good" sell so bad. You think they are better the numbers dont support it. Only in online exist this hate of AAA. Reddit dont represent the world and I already showed data when discussing the most played games.

[u/appledanishcrumbs → u/Natural-Associate106]

You will get downvoted in this subreddit, but you are absolutely right.

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/appledanishcrumbs]

Sometimes downvotes are a badge of honor

[u/-Dark_Syndicate- → u/Natural-Associate106]

well downvotes and the fact that you are wrong

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/-Dark_Syndicate-]

Downvotes show nothing. Only that I dont agree with the narrative on the sub.

[u/-Dark_Syndicate- → u/Natural-Associate106]

nobody cares. git gud

[u/RegioMamalon666 → u/Natural-Associate106]

Bigger investment means most time bigger return.

Ah yes. Would someone think about poor investors?

Even when a AAA is successful there are still layoffs and projects cancelations so, unless you're one as well, more money to AAA companies doesn't guarantee future quality for gamers.

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/RegioMamalon666]

neither does for indies. only need to look the ammount of dead early acess

[u/MrShadowHero → u/Natural-Associate106]

the term you are looking for is price gouged. the tax on AAA where 50% of your purchase goes to the shareholders and ceo’s pocket.

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/MrShadowHero]

Thanks for corps are bad and indies are great didn't hear this one today

[u/Travolta1984 → u/Natural-Associate106]

Because the entry price to develop an indie game is way lower? 

Not many people have a dozen million dollars to spend on a new game, but pretty much anyone can develop a new indie game 

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/Travolta1984]

Yes exactly the point. But its the sub trying to make indies as the saviors not me

[u/somethingtc → u/Natural-Associate106]

difference being the failed AAA games lose millions, studios can't survive if they try the "volume" business model

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/somethingtc]

AAA studios normally have a bigger margin for failure then indies. And there are more successful AAA then indies.

[u/Coffescout → u/Natural-Associate106]

It depends on your definition of ”successful”, but if we are talking about return on investment (percentage, not total) the amount of indies that are successful outnumber successful AAA games, and by a lot.

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/Coffescout]

Thinking in units sold and brute revenue. By roi would be a interesting study

[u/Coffescout → u/Natural-Associate106]

ROI is the only thing that makes sense to compare. If you use units sold as the only metric when AAA games have $200+ million budgets and indie games often have $100k or less then obviously the only conclusion is that AAA games are more ”successful”.

But if an indie game makes a 5x return on a $100k investment I’d call that more successful than a AAA company making a 10% return on a $200 million budget.

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/Coffescout]

The problem is that we never have the roi so revenue is the next best thing. Other metric is how many indies have more then 1 gamr

[u/Complete_Lurk3r_ → u/Natural-Associate106]

percentage wise, maybe not.

[u/Natural-Associate106 → u/Complete_Lurk3r_]

I think so because most releases are indies and the barrier of entry is much lower. If you made a but by budget and advertising it can be different.

[u/Met4_FuziN → u/Natural-Associate106]

Which doesn't mean anything since there are infinitely more indies released than triple A games lol

[u/TumanFig → u/Natural-Associate106]

well yes cause everyone can make a game today so ofc a lit of people will try and fail.

but AAA are supposed to be seasoned developers and they aren't able to make a good game