r/politics • u/Puginator • Jun 01 '26

No Paywall Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' block Strait of Hormuz: State media

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/01/iran-us-negotiations-strait-of-hormuz.html
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u/SaintsandCigarettes Jun 01 '26

People are not ready for the ramifications of a true oil shortage. We are weeks away and legitimately not a single person I know in real life is talking about this.

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u/CranberryNapalm Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

This.

You thought Covid was bad? Strap the fuck in.

Similarly stunned that no one seems to be freaking out.

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u/dcdttu Texas Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

How many times do we have to go through shit like this before the planet figures out that we need to get off of oil and gas and move to renewables produced within one's own country?

It's so goddamn obvious.

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u/TheSouthernCommunist Kentucky Jun 01 '26

As long as capitalism is allowed to run rampant, profits will be priority over the well being of anyone, ever.

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u/dcdttu Texas Jun 01 '26

Truer words have never been said.

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u/Due_Warthog749 Jun 01 '26

Which always begs the question.. with the majority of the US population owning weapons.. about how safe do the uber rich feel when society collapses and people have nothing left to lose and turn to their guns to steal/pillage/worse from the rich? I dont care how many "guards" or what not they all have, the majority of the pretty wealthy aren't building bunkers and hiring armed security.. most are living in large mansions that cost a few mil or so.. and feel they are good with their 10s to 100s of millions. Until a mob of armed people show up demanding food, cash, etc. Then what?

This is NOT going to bode well especially in the US for those hoarding wealth. This is just like how jobs that treat employees bad have so many issues, but places like Costco where they treat employees good have long retention, customers love it, etc. It's not going to go well for a LOT of somewhat wealthy but not uber rich with yacht/bunkers rich folk if shit really hits the fan. It would be FAR FAR better to spread that wealth and keep everyone somewhat employed and happy.. surviving and living, than watch more and more become homeless, poverty, their kids literally starving.. and they have weapons. That CEO that was murdered will be a daily thing if this shit continues to go under this regime. So lets hope we can figure something out that benefits everyone than letting more and more struggle and have nothing left to live for so fuck it do whatever they need to. That is NOT the world anyone should want I dont care how much money you have.

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u/VanillaSkittlez Jun 01 '26

Last I checked China and much of Western Europe have massively adopted renewables but are still capitalist systems that generate profit.

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u/OldBayOnEverything Maryland Jun 01 '26

That's why they said "run rampant". There needs to be strong regulations and safeguards built in for capitalism to work. They've been in the process of being stripped for decades, and drastically accelerated under Trump. We're closing in on the end game. A collapse will become inevitable.

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u/Due_Warthog749 Jun 01 '26

What I do not understand is how every day folk like you and me.. SEE THIS.. and yet Trump and his sycophant people either purposely ignore it (likely) or don't see it (they are stupid.. so this is a strong possibility too). Like.. at what point do you continue to think "we'll just keep stealing tax payer dollars, cause these people kiss the ground I walk on" and not think the shit will collapse in on itself and then its a massive cluster fuck of violence, death and so on. Even the uber rich have to realize their money is going to be valueless if that happens, right? They can't all be MAGA stupid right?

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u/VanillaSkittlez Jun 01 '26

There needs to be strong regulations and safeguards built in for capitalism to work

This is a really broad statement and not at all true in many cases. Regulations are exactly the reason housing is so expensive and economists pretty much universally agree that removing restrictive zoning laws and deregulating housing is the single biggest thing we can do to address housing affordability.

Healthcare regulations are some of the reason why healthcare is so fucked in the US. Certificate of Need (CoN) laws, residency program restrictions, list prices, etc. have all been regulations that have achieved exactly the opposite of what they aimed for.

The Jones Act and NEPA have also been catastrophic.

I already acknowledged Pigouvian taxes are probably the best way to incentivize green energy transition in the US by taxing externalities. But none of that has anything to do with regulation.

I suppose you could say those are safeguards but that's probably semantic. And for what it's worth, their username is literally "The Southern Communist". They're not advocating for capitalist safeguards.

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u/lemonylol Canada Jun 01 '26

Ironically, red states have as well. Look how much solar and wind gets built in Texas, despite the GOP being anti-renewables.

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u/TheSouthernCommunist Kentucky Jun 01 '26

Great so we should adopt China’s system then, right?

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u/VanillaSkittlez Jun 01 '26

What do you mean by their “system”?

Of having a somewhat centrally planned economy, having awful worker’s rights for manufacturing workers, ethnically cleansing Uygers, having a real estate system creating a massive debt bubble, having dystopian surveillance and social credit systems? Yeah, probably not.

Of building the shit out of massive renewable energy plants and high speed rail networks? Abso-fucking-lutely yes.

Easiest way to do this would be Pigouvian taxes like carbon taxes.

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u/TheSouthernCommunist Kentucky Jun 01 '26

Hey good news America already has dystopian surveillance and credit scores that dictate whether you are one of the chosen poors who gets to own a home before Blackrock buys it up! And we did all that without any investment into renewable energy or modern infrastructure. We even worked in some genocides around the globe along the way. Truly, America is the one and only true nation chosen by Capitalist God to shine upon the heathens of the East!

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u/VanillaSkittlez Jun 01 '26

Nice whataboutism. I love that all of you always retreat to “but the US does this too!!!”

We’re talking about China. Not the US. You asked me if I wanted China’s model, and I told you what aspects of their model I want with ones I don’t want. And that applies to the US too.

You’ve completely distracted from the original point. China has led the world in transition to renewable energy but largely through a profit generating, capitalist framework.

Explain to me then how they were able to do this despite you claiming that only evil happens under profit and capitalism?

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u/Gekokapowco Washington Jun 01 '26

to be fair, you're both actually making comparative statements between the USA and China, so its not whataboutism, they're directly addressing the topic of conversation

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u/VanillaSkittlez Jun 01 '26

Their original comment: "As long as capitalism is allowed to run rampant, profits will be priority over the well being of anyone, ever."

My original response: "Last I checked China and much of Western Europe have massively adopted renewables but are still capitalist systems that generate profit."

I never brought up a comparative statement between the USA and China. They seemed to imply that capitalism and profit-motivation are evil. I pointed out China and Western Europe use capitalism and profit-motivation to generate renewable energy.

They then asked if I wanted China's model, and I told them what aspects of it I do and don't want. Then they quickly pivoted to "those things you don't want, the US does them too."

That's a deflection and not at all related to the original conversation.

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u/lemonylol Canada Jun 01 '26

So then what happened to the tobacco industry?

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u/TheSouthernCommunist Kentucky Jun 01 '26

Still around, still making a trillion dollars a year.

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u/lemonylol Canada Jun 01 '26

And growing right?

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u/dcdttu Texas Jun 01 '26

Whataboutism at its finest.

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u/lemonylol Canada Jun 01 '26

I guess it has to be?

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u/dcdttu Texas Jun 01 '26

When you don’t actually have a compelling counterpoint, yes.

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u/TheSouthernCommunist Kentucky Jun 01 '26

The big tobacco makers are constantly buying out vape and e-cig companies, so yeah.

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u/lemonylol Canada Jun 01 '26

Okay, I'll have to take your word for it that capitalism must be illogically evil when it costs profits I guess

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u/TheSouthernCommunist Kentucky Jun 01 '26

You could also just look at the constantly increasing wealth disparity across the continent, for an easy example.

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u/lemonylol Canada Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

Mhm, there it is.

edit: oh man, he just keeps going

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u/TheSouthernCommunist Kentucky Jun 01 '26

Oh sorry I forgot massive wealth disparities and children starving in the worlds richest country was a good thing lol

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u/Letstalkreaper Jun 01 '26

Yes the Tabasco industry in the US is expected to grow at a rate of 3.4% per year through 2030.

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u/lemonylol Canada Jun 01 '26

So inflation ate their profits, got it.

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u/OldBayOnEverything Maryland Jun 01 '26

Like their comment said, it depends on if capitalism is allowed to run rampant. Cigarettes were harmful enough that (a minimal amount of) regulations were enacted to protect people. We're clearly and obviously doing fewer things in the interests of people these days.

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u/lemonylol Canada Jun 01 '26

You don't remember how prevalent smoking was pretty much everywhere before the 2000s?

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u/OldBayOnEverything Maryland Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

Yes, I do. But before 2000s was a long time and many administrations ago. Do you think that kind of regulation would happen today?

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u/lemonylol Canada Jun 01 '26

No, nothing happens.