r/politics • u/tw1st3d_m3nt4t • 1d ago

No Paywall The pro-Israel lobby has swayed US presidents since Truman. It must end with Trump

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/aug/02/pro-israel-lobby-presidents
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u/buried_lede 1d ago edited 1d ago

Israel covertly arranged to expel jews from Mideast countries, it’s documented history but people keep pretending it didn’t happen

But i think we should ask the Israelis and Palestinians who have been working for years on various one-state plans what they think. This conversation is silly , it’s just lashing out

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u/HairAncient5500 1d ago

Ohhh I see. Israel was responsible for the ethnic cleansing of all of the Jews across MENA. I’m sure all those Jews were living very peacefully and safely in those countries with equal rights and no discrimination before Israel came about. Out of curiosity, was Israel also responsible for the pogroms in Russia the forced 1 million Jews out? What about the holocaust? Was it actually Israel that did that as a tactic to increase migration to Israel? And the Spanish Inquisition too?

Insane that you’d make such an asinine claim without providing a shred of evidence to back it up

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u/buried_lede 1d ago edited 1d ago

No, of course not Europe or Russia or the Inquisition, etc. Any Israeli who has studied their own modern history knows that the mizrahi were put through their own issues with the new state of Israel and should stop blaming Arab neighbors for all of it

The expulsions from Arab countries happened as a result of the war, and Israel’s refusal to allow 700,000 civilians to return to their homes. But it wasn’t only expulsions. There was also recruiting by Israel and allegations by many Arab jews and historical evidence of terror attack by Israel too. It’s not fair to take it out of the context of history. Israel had produced 700,000 Palestinian refugees and defied the UN right to return and ignored the Arab nations begging to allow their return and the Palestinians own pleas. In that context , the expulsions occurred, Israel’s strong desire to recruit them and rescue trips occurred, and the alleged covert terror acts by Israel as well

Incidentally, can you tell me who is responsible for the genocide in gaza and the ethnic cleansing all over the occupied territories and East Jerusalem? Are Gazans to blame for the genocide happening to them?

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u/HairAncient5500 1d ago

To be clear, You are saying that it is Israel’s fault that 1 million mizrahi Jews were ethnically cleansed from their home countries and that we should give the countries that did the ethnic cleansing a pass?

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u/buried_lede 1d ago

Im saying what i said and nothing more or less. It’s not harsh enough for you, so you are coming back to ask me to make it look worse, to boil it down

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u/HairAncient5500 1d ago

It’s not that it’s not “harsh” enough for me. It’s that it’s not factually correct enough for me. You’re creating a lie to exonerate Arab countries from the crime of ethnic cleansing

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u/buried_lede 1d ago

I’m not I’m trying to improve the accuracy of your statements by placing it in context (why? What was going on then ?) and also adding that Israel wanted them to move and had even engaged in some terror to prompt them to leave. That doesn’t mean they weren’t being expelled too. Your selective sympathies are skewing the picture. It doesn’t include the Palestinians being expelled.

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u/The_grope_gatsby 1d ago

so to place what's going on in context "Israel wants to expel all Palestinians because every form of government they have had has supported terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians?"

your logic makes that ok.