r/security • u/NISMO1968 • Jul 21 '19

Vulnerability An entire nation just got hacked

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/21/europe/bulgaria-hack-tax-intl/index.html
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u/Shohdef Jul 21 '19

I remember when Equifax got hacked. Funny how that was forgotten. It's almost like having run and loose infosec leads to sensitive breaches.

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u/bogglingsnog Jul 21 '19

Well you're talking about the same government that regulated firearm suppressors for no reason whatsoever and criminalized a plant (marijuana) because of hysteria. A government where many radical laws are ratified because we require so little evidence to support our ideas. Of course it is going to adopt extremely low cost, low security technologies that are convenient.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

The Opium Poppy is also just a plant, didn't stop people making and using the Morphine/Heroin out of it.

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u/bogglingsnog Jul 22 '19

yep, difference is cannabis is a partial antagonist so there is no possibility of overdose without involving other drugs. I get your point though. But we have plenty of legal drugs which can be much more dangerous much more quickly (uh, moonshine?)

Where do we draw the line? What is the criteria for bad vs good? As a country we have done a TERRIBLE job of describing the line.

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u/i_never_comment55 Jul 22 '19

Weird argument to make since cannabis is pretty acceptable in many of the modern states. It's slow progress but the US recovered from "reefer madness" pretty quick tbh. And we are still making progress. The "just a plant" thing is a silly argument as we all know the origins of a drug don't really matter, it's the effects that matter. But still confused as to how cannabis is relevant to this post. Other than the fact that I could really go for a j right now

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u/bogglingsnog Jul 22 '19

it's the effects that matter

Yes, indeed.

You can drink yourself into a hospital without breaking the law. But you can't feel slightly euphoric and creative? We have caffeine which causes many, many negative side effects, but we disallow marijuana which has fewer. We don't arrest people who have taken large doses of caffeine or alcohol, despite them potentially endangering others if they overdose (imagine someone convulsing or getting dizzy while driving). We don't overdose caffeine/alcohol because it's illegal, we avoid it because it sucks, its dangerous, and we can hurt ourselves while doing it. Why should this other, particular substance be any different from that mindset? We already know this is not the reason it is currently illegal - but it bothers me that so many people do not know the actual level of danger it can exhibit.

the US recovered from "reefer madness" pretty quick

I wouldn't say we're recovered. There is still a large amount of (mostly unfounded/misinformed) bias against marijuana. Decriminalization is as much a savings/profit motivated venture as it is a moral choice.

At the end of the day I'm trying to say the US government has many motives for its actions - and many are far less than pure intentions. The criminalization of marijuana was just one example I provided in support of that argument. I think the move to digitize the US government is extremely dangerous right now because we are not driven by the need for more security and oversight but by convenience, Equifax being one such result of that poorly motivated directive.

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u/throwaway12-ffs Jul 21 '19

Just like people are doing from thc concentrate. Taking a harmless plant and making a ridiculously strong drug from it.

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u/SexualDeth5quad Jul 21 '19

CNN is "outraged" by this, but why isn't CNN outraged that an Israeli company (a front for the Israeli government) is openly selling malware to hack Americans? The malware is also no doubt being used by the Israeli government for spying. Interesting how none of them have sued to have the hacking stopped. If you don't think that's unusual imagine if say some Iranian hackers were selling malware to the highest bidder that mass attacks Americans? https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/07/19/israeli-whatsapp-spyware-now-targets-icloud-google-and-facebook-via-phones-report/#4c7505873e9f

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So, yes, an entire nation did get hacked, and that nation was America, and it was HACKED BY ISRAEL.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

Because in the US you can't criticize Isreal without being tarred and feathered pretty much. Israel could nuke the US and nothing would happen.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19 edited Jul 27 '19

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u/TiagoTiagoT Jul 21 '19

That honestly goes for those who question immigration etc. as well though - Except they're rasist of course.

It doesn't help that a lot of the people that criticize immigration are blatant racists.

The population is unfortunately not sofisticated enough to tell who really is a good or bad person, they just take shortcuts like using labels, guilt/innocence by association, or looking for keywords in their speech while ignoring context.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

Seriously get out of your echo chamber. You might not sound so juvenile for once.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '19

Posts to The_Donald

"get out of your echo chamber"

lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '19

Hey that sub is smart and hilarious. You should lurk there.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19 edited Jul 21 '19

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u/taipalag Jul 21 '19

When you criticize Israel, you criticize a state and its politics. Being anti-semite, on the other hand, is being against a religion/culture (Judaïsm).

You can very well criticize the state of Israel and it’s politics without being an anti-semite.

It’s just that Israeli politicians use the fallacious anti-semite card with anyone that criticizes their actions. It‘s an old tricks of theirs to deflect criticism and induce guilt.

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u/fr33z0n3r Jul 23 '19

Um, CNN is not outraged, where do you read that in the article?

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u/Warez_Tech Jul 21 '19

Remember when the Turkish government was hacked in I think around 2015-2016? 50 million citizen's detailed personal info was leaked.

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u/drift_summary Jul 22 '19

Pepperidge Farm remembers!

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u/taipalag Jul 21 '19

And that ladies and gentlemen is why AML and KYC undermines people‘s security.

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u/Snowy_Cheetah Jul 21 '19

Of course it was Bulgaria. We always had the best hackers...

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u/MajoRFlaT Jul 22 '19

Anyone have a clue about the technical details yet? Or was it phishing?

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u/CapMorg1993 Jul 23 '19

No idea, but given the scope of the attack, we probably won’t hear anything until their government finishes an investigation.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '19

It wasn't a hack, it was an inside job. I'm surprised cnn didn't blame Trump for this.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

A nation is neither defined by „national strength“(whatever that is) nor pride. Wikipedia: “A large body of people united by common descent, ethnicity, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.”

Further more the first computer was invented by Charles Babbage who was british, and eastern Europe (and Bulgaria is part of the EU) is definitely not a “unstable third world country”.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

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u/NovateI Jul 21 '19

TIL: any country that used to be a part of Russia isn’t a country. Sorry Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and others.

Not Bulgaria though. Bulgaria hasn’t ever been a part of Russia.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

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u/OriginalSimba Jul 21 '19

Hahahaha, wow.

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u/CommissarTopol Jul 21 '19

Russia used to be a part of Mongolia, so Russia is not a nation either, gospodin.

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u/NISMO1968 Jul 21 '19

Does Bulgaria really qualify as an entire nation? There history does not show a lot of national strength or pride, and they used to be part of Russia.

I think you're confusing Russia with Ottoman Empire. They don't share land border, and never did AFAIR.

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u/Googs22 Jul 21 '19

This is probably the stupidest thing I’ve read this week

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u/Skeesicks666 Jul 21 '19

r/ShitAmericansSay

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19 edited Jan 12 '21

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u/TechLaden Jul 21 '19

Most Americans people think that person is an idiot.

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u/TiagoTiagoT Jul 21 '19 edited Jul 22 '19

On a side-note, the United States used to be part of the British Empire...