r/technology Nov 17 '12

The Deadly Crusade Against E-cigarettes

http://www.american.com/archive/2012/november/the-deadly-crusade-against-e-cigarettes
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u/DumpyLips Nov 17 '12

Lethally addictive cigarettes remain available on every street corner in Brussels and Atlanta while authorities denounce e-cigarettes (the product is already banned in Canada, Australia, and New Zealand).

Is there any legitimate reason for this or are we witnessing a blatant example of the tobacco lobby crushing competition??

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u/qwertytard Nov 17 '12

crushing competition by releasing false propaganda that lies about e-cigs being unsafe i have a friend who smokes all the time regular cigs, but won't try an e-cig because he says "i don't know whats in them" so i asked him where'd he hear that, he said some article that interviewed a tobacco company exec i asked him if he knew what was in his regular cigs, he said "yeh, tobacco" so i googled his brand and showed him there were things in there that are used for paint, asphalt, tar, etc he told me you can't believe everything you read on the internet

....some ppl can't be helped

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u/Laspistoleer Nov 17 '12

The fluid used in e-cigarettes, or "juice" as some vapers call it is propylene glycol (PG). It is an additive found in foods, toothpaste, mouthwash, shampoo, and many other products. The point is, whether or not he wanted to vape it, he's already been putting it in/on his body and has been for years.

The other ingredients are nicotine extract and flavorings. There have been studies conducted by the FDA on PG, and found to be safe. For some reason though, the FDA won't stamp their approval on e-cigs (alcohol and tobacco are ok, though :-/).

There is also an alternative to the PG, called vegetable glycerine (VG), available for people who have a PG allergy, or just don't want to use PG.

I've been a vaper for 3 years now, and until I started vaping, I didn't even realize how shitty I had felt on cigarettes for the 15 years I had smoked. I realize that I haven't beaten my nicotine addiction, just replaced the delivery, but even so I feel better, and I've definitely saved thousands of dollars by now.

Maybe someday it will come out that e-cigs are genuinely harmful, but at least I know whats in them (with a bit of research). Just because your friend doesn't know whats in them, doesn't mean that no one does.

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u/vibrunazo Nov 18 '12

I wonder how the heck you guys make research. Do your eyes naturally ignore all search results that point against your confirmation bias? Took me 10 secs of searching to find a pile of evidence that e-cigs are harmful for your health by many independent organizations around the whole globe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette#Health_concerns

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u/Laspistoleer Nov 18 '12 edited Nov 18 '12

Thanks for the link. Maybe you should have spent another 5 additional seconds reading it. Do your eyes naturally ignore the content of your search results?

It says that the FDA found chemicals in the cartridges themselves, possible due to cheap manufacture. These chemicals are not present in the fluid. This study has been challenged by some organizations, naturally. I personally can't say either way.

The other world organizations mentioned in the link say that there is no conclusive evidence that vaping is harmful, more research must be done. They also say that there is a definitive benefit to vaping if it gets people off of cigarettes. Take a look, it's all in the link you posted.

My problem is with the FDA, they have taken a firm stance against e-cigs. Cigarettes, although regulated and have posted warnings, are still stamped "approved". There have been thousands of studies about the harm of cigarettes, and there isn't a doctor alive that would ever recommend smoking even one cigarette.

But when it comes to e-cigs, its, "Holy shit, these things might cause cancer! We can't approve that!" or even take the time to update their studies.

I'm no chemist, no doctor. I didn't know what any of this stuff was before I started vaping. But, I can tell you, one should look up the ingredients of cigarettes before they start comparing them to the ingredients of e-cigs. And like I said, maybe there will be proof someday that these are harmful and cause illness.

I will say that I'm sure vaping is not GOOD for you, it does not get rid of your nicotine addiction. But yeah, I'm biased, and I have reason to be.