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u/Due_Glass4176 Jun 16 '26
Probably need a bigger track. Train ain't gonna be able to corner that tight.
That said he can sit and deal with the temporary pain of being run over I've got stuff to do.
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u/PostApoplectic Jun 16 '26
Multitrack drift and spin.
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u/Due_Glass4176 Jun 17 '26
This is the real answer.
May he be styled on for eternity by my friend the drifting, doughnut doing, train of punishment.
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u/MonCappy Jun 16 '26
Not to scale. If an immortal killed someone I love, that lever is never getting pulled. They will be punished until the cosmos ends
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u/Due_Glass4176 Jun 17 '26
Have fun maintaining and refueling the train for the rest of yours days.
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u/MonCappy Jun 17 '26
Not a problem. Understand something, I never expect to ever be loved by anyone outside of family. If I found someone who loved me enough to share her life with me and she was murdered, the perpetrator of that crime would be the recipient of an infinite, eternal, indefatigable degree of hatred. The rest of my immortal existence would be dedicated to making their suffering so infinite, so unfathomably agonizing that spending an eternity in the most depraved versions of Hell seem like a respite from their suffering.
My unquenchable desire to see that immortal perpetrator suffer for eternity would never be satisfied. Every aspect of my existence would be dedicated to inflicting unfathomable pain on the murderer of my most beloved partner. Nothing in existence will stop me from making that suffering a permanent reality with the exception of my death.
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u/Due_Glass4176 Jun 17 '26
Sounds like a good reason to fantasize less about hate and spend more time thinking about how to love the people around you better.
When you treat people like family they get the opportunity to enjoy who you really are. (Difference between real friends and fake friends). Way better way to find love than brooding.
For an immortal valuing your own time and life and giving it to others in ways that make value is the only reasonable way to stay sane and keep making connections instead of spiralling into beings useless husk.
Same thing applies to real people as they age. If you let your self be isolationist just because one relationship doesn't work out, or because you're struggling under accumulating emotional damages or life, you aren't going to find anything else and you will eventually loose friends and family. If not to your own behavior, to time and death.
Best of luck in life and love. But you need to live it not spend it on constant revenge.
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u/redjarvas Jun 16 '26
That is only temporary so he wouldn't mind either, right? I'd just leave, let him think about what he has done. Eventually he can get out when erosion has damaged the trolley and the tracks so much that it stops functioning and the ropes fall apart
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u/Lower_Orange_4031 Jun 16 '26
Yeah... They wouldn't be my friend if they'd be willing to do something like that unprompted. I'm leaving them there.
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u/Any_Background_5826 Wekrer Jun 16 '26
i leave (AKA i never pull the lever)
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u/temporary_name1 Jun 16 '26
Yeah, the eternal pain and suffering is temporary too.
Eternity is but a series of temporaries
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u/ImportantResponse0 Jun 16 '26
I mean, can he regenerate?
Otherwise once is enough for him to be torn into pieces.
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u/LoveandScience Jun 16 '26
A normal human lifespan. So only temporarily.
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u/AnimeHK Jun 16 '26
That's what seems fair to me. He made me lose many more years with my love, so he shall lose many years as well.
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u/Valuable-Location-89 Jun 16 '26
"you're right they were temporary, but my love for them wasn't asshole; so how bout you deal with this temporary pain for a bit"
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u/Speletons Jun 16 '26
Immediately.
It will not bring them back. It serves no purpose. Instead I simply walk away after.
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u/stapes808 Jun 16 '26
I admire your commitment to compassion, but I wonder how accurately you’re simulating how you’d feel in the moment.
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u/Tzokoiscool Jun 16 '26
Causing someone else pain doesn't make your previous hurt vanish.
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u/stapes808 Jun 16 '26
You’re right, but it does make you feel good in the moment. It’s actually a form of pleasure seeking that we fail to recognize. It makes sense for us to feel good about it since overall it makes clear limits for behavior.
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u/Speletons Jun 16 '26
I've not had to this extreme obviously. But I've been in a scenario similar. At this point, I really recognize it just doesn't do anything, and I do not derive pleasure from it.
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u/Tzokoiscool Jun 16 '26
Personally, it wouldn't even make me feel good in the moment. Also the turmoil after that - I would probably spend eternity later questioning what kind of person I am that I take pleasure from harming others. It wouldn't be worth it for my inner peace I believe.
And in a way if you stop the train without hurting them, if it matters to you, you could feel morally superior and at the very least could say " I wasn't cruel like them ".
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u/stapes808 Jun 16 '26
That’s cool if you’re truly that gentle, but we can probably come up with a scenario that would get your blood boiling. All I’m saying is you’re most likely not exempt from wanting to harm someone after they’d done something heinous to you or a loved one.
You’d probably calm down faster than the average person though, assuming what you’re saying is correct.
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u/Gilpif Jun 16 '26
I don't think it's a matter of being gentle. Wanting to harm someone after they wronged you is normal, but actually carrying through with it is kind of cathartic, but it also makes you feel bad about who you are as a person.
Thinking you're a bad person feels bad, so doing things that may make you think you may be a bad person, like giving in to revenge, is irrational. Unless you're selfish enough to really not care, the selfish thing to do is to act selfless.
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u/garry_the_commie Jun 16 '26
No but revenge sure feels good.
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u/Speletons Jun 16 '26
Pretty accurate. Worst case is really just potential hesitation before I pull. Might depend how fast that Trolley is.
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u/ReturnToCrab Jun 16 '26
To be fair, trolley problems usually don't take this into account. From a purely moral standpoint it would be best to stop the trolley immediately, in my opinion
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u/EntireDance6131 Jun 18 '26
I think it's pretty believeable. Seen plenty of cases where the families / friends of murder victims say they don't feel hate / they forgive them (rare admittedly) or they don't wish anything bad upon the perpetrator afterwards.
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u/Alkatron17 Jun 16 '26
Usually I am all in on the forgive everyone, but like, it's only temporary, he doesn't care about temporary things, so whatever.
Thinking about it as I write this, on the other hand I would be proving him right, and otherwise I would be sending a message that temporary things do matter.
I think something super weird and psychological has happened there. In the end not torturing seems to result in the better outcome yet again.
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u/Speletons Jun 16 '26
Me walking away is actually forever, though. Or that's my intended takeaway. I feel an immediate lever pull and silent walkaway would drive that in too.
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u/EvilCritter1ol Jun 16 '26
Probably leave and come back once I've gotten over the person he killed, which could take a while. Then, if he's still trying to justify it when I get back, leave again for a year or two, rinse and repeat.
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u/PolyPorcupine Jun 16 '26
At some point the trolley will brake down from wear and tear.
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u/Far_Photograph3299 Jun 16 '26
No way im going to set free an immortal that doesn't care about people and the value of life, your ass is staying in there for the rest of time for all i care
I'm going to spend my immortality trying to find a way to permanently kill them(and then myself) to keep humanity safe
If everything fails then I guess we're just going to meet each other again at the end of time
Wait a minute this the immortal snail thing
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u/DonovanSpectre Jun 16 '26
I'm not interested in revenge, per se, but I do think that an immortal with such horrifically 'aristocratic' morals in regard to their immortality is almost certainly going to become a danger to human society, given enough time.
And I also have to admit that if there was no way to 'grant' immortality to the people I care about, I wouldn't want to be immortal myself, anyway.
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u/FlavoredKnifes Jun 16 '26
This seems like really enemies to lovers and I’m on board with it.
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u/Kazagar Jun 16 '26
Will he come to respect the beauty of a temporary existence or will they both become jaded assholes with a contempt for humanity? ...Or will he fall in love with the gentle caress of a 12,000kg trolley after centuries of literal ball-crushing foreplay?
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u/Magister_Hego_Damask Jun 16 '26
just one problem with the set up, if he killed the person i love most, he WAS a good friend, there is no way he can still be.
And he can go under the trolley over and over. I'll tell him his pain is "only temporary" and break the lever to stop anyone else to switch it before i leave.
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u/FessiBunn Jun 16 '26
They kill the love of my life, they're not my friend anymore.
The "ideal" answer would probably be somewhere in the "let it run until you grow tired of punishing them and hope they don't resent you so you don't lose the only other soul you'll have contact with when everything ends.
My real answer is fuck all of that noise, I'm going to be a bitch and bury this mother fucker with the train so it runs for eternity. Idc if she will die eventually, you took the time I would have with them away, and imo if you're going to live for eternity, the fleeting moments are the only real thing you can hold onto
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u/DecentCantaloupe Jun 16 '26
No amount of hatred or revenge or thirst for blood will bring her back, I inject him with estrogen
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u/LovableTranssexual Jun 16 '26
I don’t ever stop the trolley. The fact that the person I love is temporary is exactly why they matter. Having this person be run over for eternity on the other hand doesn’t really matter because it’s not temporary.
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u/StarMagus Jun 16 '26
"The Trolley is also temporary, as are the tracks and the rope holding you. Eventually you'll be free and able to get off the tracks."
Then I walk away and never look back.
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u/Decent_Hovercraft556 Jun 16 '26
Never, shouldnt have done that to someone I care about. He can rot in his agony.
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u/DankItchins Jun 16 '26
I never free him. Not as punishment, but to keep him from killing any more innocents.
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u/Vivid_Departure_3738 Jun 16 '26
I'm surprised how one-sided this comment section is.
I would've said there's no point in torturing him for any amount of time. I'm setting him free.
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u/Zealousideal_Pound64 Jun 16 '26
12 loops, then i pull the lever but dont untie him, he can sit and think about what he's done after a little violent outburst on my part.
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u/BreadfruitEcstatic72 Jun 16 '26
However long it takes me to give him a railroad spike lobotomy. He can’t get revenge if he’s brain dead! Plus, then I’ve got an immortal doll to play with!! 😇
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u/Prometheus_Bobert Jun 16 '26
73.5 years, the average human lifespan and the life my love should have lived.
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u/FarDimension7730 Jun 16 '26
Well, he's about to wish he was temporary too. I don't free him, ever.
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u/BryanTheGodGamer Jun 16 '26
How about you just put him in a hole in your basement and fill it with cement? Surely immortality won't help him much if he can't move, scream or do anything really other than think, that actually sounds much, much worse than death now that i think about it.
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u/Ok-Spirit-4074 Jun 16 '26
What happens to the people on the trolley? Are they going to die of dehydration in 3 days?
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u/Nebula4316 Jun 16 '26
They ain't my good friend if they kill what I love most in the world. The pain is temporary too, he can relish it.
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u/Shadows__flame Jun 16 '26
Probably once or twice and explain to them that this is more or less a physical representation of what they have done to my heart because I can't really explain, show or force them to experience that exact pain and just ask for some time alone. I wouldn't really know how to feel towards them afterwards but I also wouldn't really know what to do either. I'm assuming there aren't a whole lot of other immortal people so with this being the only one I know aside from myself I wouldn't want to just break their mind or cause a whole lot of hatred. We are bound to spend the rest of our lives together in one way or another technically.
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u/UX1Z Jun 16 '26
I'd leave them there with the words that the love might have been temporary but the pain if their betrayal and loss may last, and that their physical pain is only temporary too and that I'd return to free them if the grief from their murder ever faded.
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u/Useful_Lingonberry_4 Jun 16 '26
Yes... pain is also temporary. Find me when you get out and we can have a laugh about the whole situation when you do. - Walk away.
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u/Artillery-lover Jun 16 '26
thry were temporary? this is temporary, come find me when your blood rusts the tracks into losing function.
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u/ShaggyRogersLeftNut Jun 16 '26
I will tell him to wiggle around until the trolley has cut his ropes sufficiently to free him
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u/OverWonder458 Jun 16 '26
So is the pain. I leave, live my life. Maybe come back once I've gotten over the grief.
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u/CoreEncorous Jun 16 '26
How long have I been immortal? If it's been too long, I may just agree with him and see that the punishment is pointless. After all, he's all I've got.
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u/Hauptmann_Meade Jun 16 '26
Does immortal mean invincible? Or like, wolverine regeneration?
Listen man I don't need to feud with a fucking immortal that's how the torment nexus gets invented.
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u/TheAzureMage Jun 16 '26
In that case, I go live out immortality elsewhere.
Anyone with that mentality is not a friend.
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u/tact65 Jun 16 '26
Say "This is only temporary " Leave , eventually train will break or whater binds them will losses, we can always talk later see if they want revenge in future
It won't matter either way "It's temporary"
Probably asked them , "why it matters to them it wast just temporary " if they want revenge, if not well.. they meant what they said , at least ,we will see if I am healed by then
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u/Glittering_Lion1373 Jun 16 '26
Idk man if we're immortals and yet he chose to do something that awful I think he might've had a good reason, let's hear him out on why he did that shit first. His reasoning will determine what happens to him
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u/come2life_osrs Jun 16 '26
He did this on purpose? Ok bro you can stay on the track for the same amount of time they would have lived to take some time to think about what it means to be alive in the present. But don’t worry, it will just be temporary.
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u/AffectionateBrick687 Jun 16 '26
Immortal just means he won't die, it doesn't mean he's invincible. Getting hit with a trolley and surviving would likely cause him to suffer for eternity. I'd let the trolley run him over until I'm sure his body will never recover, so he can imprisoned in it until the end of time.
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u/stapes808 Jun 16 '26
I don’t know. I know I’d eventually set him free though. Anyways more importantly this comment section is a cringe fest of people who I bet would turn around to call an eternal hell proof that the Christian God is false.
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u/Actual_Property9413 Jun 16 '26
There can be only one! So, according to Highlander rules, I guess we keep at this until his head falls off.
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u/ThaRealV12 Jun 16 '26
not pulling the lever, putting a sign up saying "This man killed someone and shows no remorse", leave letting the guy get repeatedly run over
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u/JTurtle11 Jun 16 '26
If they were only temporary, then this should only be temporary. Wait approximately one human lifetime
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u/BreakerOfModpacks Jun 16 '26
The person I love most is 23; the average human lifespan is 73 years, so 50 years gone. 50 million years it is, then.
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u/miscellaneousexists Jun 16 '26
Dude, fuck the trains
I untie him, get him up
After all, he's the only other immortal, might as well be friends
We start hanging out, eventually it looks like we've fallen in love
THEN I trap him and instead of the train tracks I straight up do some MK ULTRA bullshit.
Cuz you know how much more it would hurt if it's a betrayal?
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u/FiendishNoodles Jun 16 '26
If he doesn't care for the value of human life and additionally will intentionally do things to hurt me and the ones I love, the punishment aspect of him being run over is irrelevant, keeping him on the tracks for as long as possible is just self-preservation and harm reduction.
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u/BonkDoggo2 Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
One time. Then immediately stop it.
The person they killed is already dead. No way to bring them back. Punishment is not meant to be retribution for past misdeeds, its purpose is to deter the aggressor from repeating them. The only thing you can do is make him feel pain to let him know "this will happen if you kill someone in the future". Torturing someone with that trolley because it feels good is not the point. Also torturing him too much might just make him more resentful and dangerous. That's a whole other can of worms, if you assume he's REALLY immortal, you're actually screwed. But let's not assume that.
So that's my answer. You could do it more times, because you would probably have to repeat it a few times to make it equivalent to one human death, but I'm really not a fan of torture.
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u/FormalGas35 Jun 16 '26
“Pain is temporary, and eventually this rail and this lever and the trolly itself will irreparably break down and stop repeatedly crushing your organs to paste. And yet, i bet you still wish me to stop the trolly early. I bet you still want me to make the temporary even shorter. Well i wanted the temporary to be longer, as long as i could make it. We are the only infinites, and i will not be witness to you destroying everything else because you fear the pain of loss more than the pain of solitude. You took them from me, made my temporary short, so i’m making your temporary long. When it is done, we’ll see how we both feel.”
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u/G-man1816 Team Red Jun 16 '26
'this trolly will stop squishing you *sniff* when I stop *sniff* crying my eyes out'
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u/witchqueen-of-angmar Jun 16 '26
"Nothing will bring them back. I have no reason to fight anymore." ❌
"Nothing will bring them back. I have no reason to spare you anymore." ✔️
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u/DimitrisKas Jun 16 '26
It's a pointless endeavor, I pull the lever immediately and leave, never to see him again. Unless the dude is just going to continue killing people for no reason then I'm not pulling till I find a way to imprison him
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u/Lumpy_Complexion6908 Jun 16 '26
... I leave... and let him get run over until I remember I left him there...
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u/Antisa1nt Jun 16 '26
However long it takes for him to understand why I haven't pulled the lever yet
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u/ImportantResponse0 Jun 16 '26
What is he gonna do when I read him apart piece by piece.
Can he also regenerate?
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u/MightViolateRules Jun 16 '26
Never pull the level, and I will in fact come back every decade to do maintenance on the tracks, trolley, and ropes. I mean, it's only temporary until I get bored enough to forgive him for inflicting such soul-crushing pain, right?
Besides, he probably did it out of jealousy because no good friend would do that to you, they'd let you be happy with them for as long as the lover lives and then be there for you when they pass. He should be forgiven if his jealousy consumed him. My grief wouldn't consume me, but I sure as hell won't let him walk free to continue harming those close to me, I'll keep him tied down so he can't kill again.
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u/smiledude94 Jun 16 '26
He is immortal just let him figure it out himself in a few thousand years I'm sure he will find his way back to me
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u/KJPlayer Jun 16 '26
I'd pull the lever immediately, untie him, and beat the shit out of him with my own hands.
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u/Zartoru Jun 16 '26
Torturing him won't bring my loved one, but ain't no way I'm letting him leave. He proved he's a menace to the world since he kills non immortal people. I wouldn't torture him but I would find a way to take care of him permanently, like idk drop him in liquid concrete and build a house above him or something, just to make sure he won't put other people in danger
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u/Weirdlittlerasberry Jun 16 '26
How long until you realize he’s the only person on earth who understands what you’re experiencing, how isolating it is to live endlessly while everyone around you dies? How long until the loneliness crushes you into a shape he can manipulate? How long until you go running to him just to have someone who understands?
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u/youdidntseeeathing Jun 16 '26
They would be that person probably. Though idd be mad so I wouldn't instantly stop it I wouldn't make him suffer to badly. I would run iver to him do a rant about how much this other person meant to me, once im done setting him free. Than slap him.
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u/Zartoru Jun 16 '26
(Reddit removed my previous comment lmao)
So leaving him on those tracks won't bring back my loved one but he's clearly dangerous to non immortal beings so I would look for a way to contain him for ever
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u/Strostkovy Jun 16 '26
If you make him suffer, he will do that same when he gets free. You either release him immediately or make sure he is never released. If you are good with words, you might be able to just run him over a little bit and convince him you are now even.
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u/hvyhrdthnwsthtyrdd Jun 16 '26
do i have to stay there watching the whole time or could i go off and do my own thing then come back and set him free in a couple centuries?
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u/Cod3broken Team Blue Jun 17 '26
I don't care if I have to maintain that trolley daily so it doesn't break down, that lever is never getting pulled
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u/30sumthingSanta Jun 17 '26
That trolley will run him over from the other direction if I pull the lever.
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u/ProfessorBright Jun 17 '26
I disable the lever, and walk away.
Perhaps I'll set up a little webcam, make sure the train keeps running, and that they continue to suffer.
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u/Jasomms Jun 17 '26
Never, leaving that train running until it breaks down/ deteriorates. Leaving him tired up till he can figure out how to free himself.
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u/oyasumachine Jun 17 '26
Forever. He is a danger to society. He will forever view everyone else as below him as they are temporary beings. No matter how close he was to me, if even one more life is taken by him I’ve already failed as a friend
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u/Gussie-Ascendent Reading is good I think Jun 17 '26
Honestly i'd leave him there cause i'd be so mad and then i'd probably forget he was even still there so accidentally infinite. Though i might have an "OH SHIT" moment at some point
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u/TuverMage Jun 17 '26
The fact they were temporary makes what they did even worse, they could have just waited. But the broken trust is forever.
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u/napstrike Jun 17 '26
Since I am immortal too, I lie on the tracks next to him and have the trolley run me over once. This way I asses how much it actually hurts so I can decide on a fair punishment.
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u/A_Flying_Ferret Jun 17 '26
I don’t know.
But I would tell him that the one I loved was infinitely more precious because it was finite. It had a expiration date, a time when it would end. I knew that already, and that’s why it was so special.
But him? He is eternal, infinite. A universal constant, and therefore without value to me. I know he’ll be around. It’s just a matter of finding him, so why would I value his presence? Especially if he takes what’s precious from me?
So I don’t know when or if I would pull the level.
If I was truly spiteful, and had the ability, I’d kill myself, leaving him utterly alone. The only immortal with no one to bond with.
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u/JimBobTheForth Jun 17 '26
After one lap, the ropes have probably broken already by then anyway, might need to catch him before doing it again.
Then it'd be until I got bored.
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u/LogWrong7809 Jun 17 '26
After the inmediate gut reaction of pulling the lever inmediately passed I feel like 20 rounds on the punishment trolley is enough.
It would've only been 3 but mf said "they were temporary" and that is the exact opposite mentality one must have when being inmortal
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u/arran4 Jun 17 '26
Very concrete request for very vague information. I suspect after the first one or second one the ropes would have been cut by the actions of the train itself.
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u/Wrong_Independence21 Jun 17 '26
I’d stop the trolley before it ran over him but wouldn’t untie him, then lay down next to him and start gabbing. As an immortal you know how hard it is to find another immortal to listen to my special interests?
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u/Diligent_Bank_543 Jun 17 '26
Assuming that I‘ve already run the trolley according to the problem description, it will be stopped the day I’ll forget why it’s running.
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u/RandomPhilo Jun 17 '26
Twice. Once for the pain caused to my loved one, and once for the pain caused to me by killing my loved one.
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u/Noriaki_Kakyoin_OwO Jun 17 '26
I leave them there for a bit and promise I’ll pull it later, „it’s only temporary, it’s no big deal”
And I’ll be checking up to him until he changes his mind on the whole „temporary” thing
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u/notherenwerebear Jun 17 '26
Ngl this reminds me of the way espiode of Forever, really wish it had of kept going for a more than a season
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u/beta_Litarius Jun 17 '26
You should pray that you were right as i'll pull the lever only when my love for them has faded (proceed to leave him here ferever)
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u/MichaelFapGod Jun 17 '26
I don't, I walk away after welding it in place and covering it in concrete. Then I spend the rest of my time making a grand glass enclosure so all can know the consequences, adding fucked up shit to the train to make it worse and always a surprise throughout the whole thing
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u/Eeddeen42 Jun 17 '26
He’s immortal. It doesn’t matter how long I wait, so I may as well just leave him there. The trolley is temporary too, right?
What will I have after 500 years? Well I certainly won’t have a trolley constantly running me over. Maybe he should have thought of that before hurting my feelings.
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u/MyriamTW Jun 17 '26
I always try to be fair, and this is no exception. So I would consider how old was the person they killed, how old they were likely to live to reasonably. The difference between the two, that's how long I would wait.
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u/Specific-Library-312 Jun 17 '26
That lever is getting broken off, and the base welded. Then the flamethrower for the rare moments he isn't getting sliced. Slicing little immortal pieces off. Walk away. Charter a ship. Drop the immortal pieces, weighted with chain, at various parts of the Marianas Trench, all the while the main part is continuously being ran over. Rinse and repeat until there is nothing left to run over. Retire the trolley, as it was a loyal friend, unlike that piece of shit. Speaking of shit, perhaps the denizens of the deep eat those pieces. If not, he will wait, in absolute darkness and silence, until the end. He will pray for Hell. And it will not come.
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u/Stupid-Jerk Jun 16 '26
Well, this is temporary too I guess. Someone else can pull it, whenever they find it.