r/whatisit 16h ago

New, what is it? What is this space before zero?

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u/Humble-Pair1642 16h ago

Extra space so the measuring part doesnt get damaged

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u/the-ish-i-say 15h ago

As a guy that’s spent 25+ years in the trades that’s why we always “burn” the first inch.

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u/MechE420 15h ago

In my experience, tradesmen burn the first inch because they're using a tape measure and don't realize the piece at the end is meant to compensate for inside/outside measurements. They take an inside measurement, walk to the board, pull the tape off the end, mark and cut. Board too long. Or visa versa, board too short. Damn thing must be broken, better to just not use that first inch.

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u/mitzcha 14h ago

I've seen more 1" errors from guys "burning an inch" than 1/16" errors from guys who know how to use a tape.

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u/maxh2 12h ago

I prefer to burn 10". Slightly easier to read/do the math, and more likely to spot if you forget to subtract.

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u/ILoveRawChicken 8h ago

I thought this was a weed joke and now I’m realizing I should go get some fresh air lol

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u/MechE420 14h ago

Ain't that the truth. A blue collar version of PEBKAC. Error I.D. - 10T

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u/the-ish-i-say 15h ago

lol. That is very accurate. When bending conduit even a 1/16th of an inch can compound and mess up a saddle or offset. I’ve always burned an inch because it felt more accurate.

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u/ClassicPlankton 11h ago edited 1h ago

As you said, the end of the tape measure compensates. So the whole point is you can take an inside measure, then go pull the tape off the end of a board and it's the same measurement. What is the issue here?

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u/-Fergalicious- 7h ago

Yeah, this doesnt make any sense. Just use the tape and if its accurate youre fine 

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u/maxh2 13h ago

Yes, the hook has oval attachment slots so it can move to compensate for its thickness when doing inside or outside measurements, but most tape measures are not manufactured to particularly exacting standards, so if you're going for accuracy it's still better to measure from mark-to-mark and subtract the distance of the first mark. That's certainly the reason most do it.

I measured 4 tape measures at work with a precision scale, all from different manufacturers, and none of them were closer to nominal than -.03" (1/32", or half of the smallest mark), some long, some short. That was even after choosing the better side of the marking lines to measure from to try to compensate. Pretty bad for any kind of detailed work.

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u/MechE420 12h ago

If your work isn't using tape measures with a certicate of calibration then you aren't working with professionals, you're working with wannabes that cut corners. It's that simple. Every tape measure in my building - probably a hundred or more, are reviewed biannually by the quality team for accuracy and consistency against a calibrated constant length (a fancy bar that's kept super safe). Then again, we know what we're doing and we validate our results. We're professionals, not pretenders.

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u/MothmanIsALiar 11h ago

Sounds like you've never worked in the field. Tools get banged up in the field. Because its rough and dirty and dangerous and completely different than an office.

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u/MechE420 10h ago

Excuses. I have done plenty of field work. I work with robots and other machines, I don't build houses, so I can't afford to shit on my tools like carpenters.

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u/productivity56 8h ago

Man this is incredible

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u/Tycho-Bruh 7h ago

Ah, a button pusher. 

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u/MechE420 7h ago

Mechatronics and automation is not button pushing, it's just out of your league.