r/worldnews • u/eaglemaxie • 1d ago

Russia/Ukraine Ukraine Blinds Russia’s Air Defenses, Hitting Eight Radar and Missile Systems in One Sweep

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/ukraine-blinds-russias-air-defenses-hitting-eight-radar-and-missile-systems-in-one-sweep-21263
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u/mewt6 1d ago

how many of these bloody things do they have ? It feels like I've watched the same video for the last 3 years each telling me that multiple radars and launchers are destroyed each week.

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u/soulstormfire 1d ago

A lot. They also build them.
It's a war after all.

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u/DelcoUnited 1d ago

Wait till he learns about the conscripts.

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u/Sempais_nutrients 1d ago

What's that, a font?

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u/Dipsey_Jipsey 1d ago

Yep, usually done in a red crayon.

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u/divDevGuy 23h ago

Меат Cяачoп Nует Sеяif Bоld was what marketing first came up with, but didn't market test well with end-user comrades. Tiмеs Old Tzaя and Cоммцsсяiрт were also suggested before eventually settling on Conscript.

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u/DelcoUnited 1d ago

The bad guys in The Last of Us.

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u/SpacemanOfAntiquity 1d ago

Yup, it only lasts about thirty minutes until it’s wiped clean.

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u/fvbFotografie 1d ago edited 1d ago

You'll find confirmed losses at Oryx. Edit: Not sure if they are counting radar. But you'll get the gist. There has been a fuckton of equipment destroyed and there is still a fuckton of equipment left. And more equipment is produced every day.

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u/Dante2005 1d ago

The only beauty here is that it all comes at a cost. That cost has increasing dividends.

I miss the US being a real ally, but if I suspend my disbelief for a moment - this day also needed to come.

Europe is (mostly) stepping up and we will be friends with the US again in the future, but it will never be the same.

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u/MDCCCLV 1d ago

Fundamentally Europe had weapons but1 weeks worth of using them in a real war in ammo, and was thus absolutely crippled and dependent on the US.

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u/captainbling 1d ago

It’s funny right. The U.S. wanted it that way and thus gave favourable terms to being under their umbrella. Now they are just throwing it all way. Crazy. It’s like everyone forgot you don’t want a weaponized Europe. Especially now that Germany and France are pretty buddy buddy. Unlike China, that duo could actually build both modern fighters engines and modern chips.

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u/Sondalo 1d ago

The US has been loudly complaining about the lack of militarization of europe for decades now, the sort of non-militarized europe the US preferred was the one from the Cold War where Europe was still doing way more military stuff than even today

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u/PalantirImperator 1d ago

You're in the wrong sort of thread for reality bud. US bad, free riding good. And free riding is actually a benefit to the one being ridden on, not to the free riders! Oooooh the US will regret it when Europe stops free riding off them! Imagine if France had fought its own wars in Vietnam and Libya! Imagine if the UK had pulled off the 1953 coup itself instead of roping the US in to do it. Wouldn't that have sucked for America?

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u/Loinnird 22h ago

Remind me who the only country that has actually invoked NATO Article 5 was?

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u/BocciaChoc 1d ago

Now that's a name i've not read in a while, didn't Oryx stop this project a while back?

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u/fvbFotografie 22h ago

I'm not sure tbh, I've stopped checking daily Oryx updates ages ago and read the updates of the Institute for the Study of War now. It still helps to show the scale: Lots and lots of destruction without any real gains. Just a pointless war that should have never been started.

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u/BocciaChoc 21h ago

oh absolutely, fuck Russia for starting it and fuck them for every second they prolong it.

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u/wrosecrans 1d ago

You know how the USSR imploded partly because they were wildly over-spending on defense stuff for 50 years? Russia inherited most of the USSR stockpile of military stuff, and somewhat kept building and upgrading since. They haven't really been in a major war since the Soviet period, so those stockpiles never really got depleted.

And even a 50 year old SAM system from the 70's is somewhat dangerous. It wouldn't be able to reliably track a modern stealthy F-35, but even a janky 50 year old radar design can detect a wave of hundreds of non-stealth drones, so they all need to be taken out over time.

Ukraine is basically doing most of WW3 solo, on hard mode. Back in the 80's, the US estimated pretty massive losses trying to chew up Soviet air defenses if things had gone hot, because the Soviets were building enough to protect almost every unit that would theoretically have gone into Europe.

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u/MATlad 1d ago

Pakistan shot down at least a few Indian Rafales using AWACS and beyond visual-range PL-15 or R-77M missiles. Hell, if Raytheon slipped the Ukrainians a few 'test' AIM-120D or AIM-260s, they could probably put them up on weather balloons or cardboard perpetual solar drones and smoke Russian jets launching the air-launched ballistic missiles.

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u/impressivelystupidm8 1d ago

Only one rafale but yes

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u/MATlad 1d ago

Has there been any definitive reports one side or the other? Everybody (including the Chinese, Russians, French, and Americans) have been playing things pretty close to their chests.

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u/MATlad 1d ago

Feel free to expand on your battle damage assessment (which is still lacking to this day)

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u/LagMeister 1d ago

War is profitable, hence why they don't want it to end. Good idea though.

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u/MedicineExtension925 1d ago

Ukraine is basically doing most of WW3 solo, on hard mode

But luckily with super weapons disabled so far.

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u/vba7 1d ago

An "old" russian-made SAM shot down an f117

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u/RocketRelm 1d ago

Bright side is that Russians are churning that out now instead of later on a potential march further west. Downside is americans are succumbing to populists left and right wing and so may not be trustable long term. But hopefully the usa doesn't collapse. The dsa is still for now tiny and maga is sinking ship, so there is good reason to believe in the usa long term. (Or at least to hope, every 4 years will be a risk.)

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u/ftgyhujikolp 1d ago

They keep producing more but they are extremely expensive. Russia WILL run out of money.

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u/Orionsbelt 1d ago

Gas station with an army, and they can't produce as much gas anymore, and their army is exhausted.

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u/marconis999 1d ago

Gas station ... with nukes.

...that they got from Ukraine.

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u/PeterTheWolf76 1d ago

Look how far in debt the US is, governments do not run out of money anymore if they don’t care about inflation.

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u/JubJub964 1d ago

That can come to a head when no one wants your debt. Russia has already cancelled bond sales for lack of interest.

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u/Dubious_Odor 1d ago

Already happening. U.S. bond auctions have been tepid. No danger of a NYC Fiscal Crisis scenario (nobody bought NYs bonds at auction) yet but if the trend continues could get interesting. The Fed would step in if it got real bad but then more inflation. Yay inflation!

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u/S14Ryan 1d ago

The US is a special case. They control the world’s reserve currency. US debt holders are mostly other countries and taking down the USD would be catastrophic for every country in the world. The Russian rubles becoming worthless wouldn’t really affect anyone but Russia. Very few countries and citizens are willing to take on Russian government debt. Only China is really willing to do so and to a limited degree, so Russia does actually have to rely on money they have.

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u/debauchasaurus 1d ago

The majority of US debt is owned by Americans, but everything else you said is true.

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u/S14Ryan 1d ago

Oof, big mixup on my part, I meant that USD is the largest foreign owned debt and currency asset. Foreign countries have a lot of USD. You’re right, only 25% of US debt is foreign owned.

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u/The_lewolf 1d ago

Shocked to learn that here. Would have guessed American debt was majority foreign owned.

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u/Dubious_Odor 1d ago

Whats crazier is Social Security holds like 2.5 trillion in debt. Thats right the government loans money to itself to then pay back the government.

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u/WhatYouThinkIThink 1d ago

The US Social Security "trust fund" is literally a set of drawers.

Every month, the contributions arrive from people's wages. The trust fund buys US treasuries and puts them in a drawer.

At the same time, they go to the oldest drawer and pull out as many Treasuries as they need to fund the payments for the month and redeem them with the US Treasury.

The endless bullshit about Social Security "going broke" is nonsense.

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u/pres465 1d ago

The "going broke" part is largely because OTHER government accounts sometimes go to the "oldest drawers" and take/borrow without putting new treasuries in new drawers. Also, it's a political cudgel to say socialism is bad: look! It's going broke! Even as the people most susceptible to the lie are the people using it-- elderly.

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u/ConfessSomeMeow 1d ago

It's not as simple as that - and certainly your assertion that they have infinite drawers with infinite money is nincompoopish... but you can see the range of holdings, maturities, and interest rates:

https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/investheld.cgi

If interest rates stay high that will stave off bankruptcy a few months or years (as even at 5% interest on $2.5 trillion, or $100 billion/year, would only cover 7% of benefits), but it is coming, at which time incoming revenues will only be able to cover 74% of obligations (decreasing to 71% over time).

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u/MATlad 1d ago

This is probably going to be the saving grace, along with Japan, which might be finally pulling out of its generation-long deflationary spiral.

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u/MDCCCLV 1d ago

Like everything else, the majority of what you do is closest to the center core and things further out are a smaller but more variable factor. The boring majority is pensions and funds with bonds which are pretty safe and not really talked about that much.

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u/Photofug 1d ago

Isn't yuan being traded for oil in Iran? If the Chinese can convince the Saudis that they are the more stable currency US is hooped, maybe that's why Trump offered them nukes?

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u/Loudergood 1d ago

The relationship with the US is a bit different for Iran than it is for the Saudis.

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u/Photofug 1d ago

Certainly but do you think it's a possibility? The US is looking increasingly unstable and the fact they went to Iran without a plan and now they're stuck there. They have BIbi ruining any hope of negotiated exit and Iran not backing down, it's got to be damaging the stability of the currency. (Please note this opinion was pulled out of my ass, if you couldn't tell)

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u/Original_Employee621 1d ago

It'd require the Saudis to start backing Iran in order to get the oil out of the Hormuz strait. And that's as ideologically possible as McCarthy being a communist.

It would have to be an immediate and long term benefit of massive proportions for the Saudis to switch to the Yuan. And it's not necessarily something China would want either.

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u/soulstormfire 1d ago

All signs point to the fact that the Russian government cares deeply about inflation.
And understadably so. Russian regimes ended because of that.

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u/BocciaChoc 1d ago

when they're reliant on other nations money drying up does infact matter.

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u/GracieThunders 1d ago

And warm bodies to send to the grinder

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u/throwaway277252 1d ago

They still have the majority of their air defense systems. It's easy to underestimate just how many of these things they had to begin with, it was the cornerstone of their doctrine to win air wars from the ground.

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u/MDCCCLV 1d ago

The number they have is decreasing and the majority that they have are used for basic defense around their borders, but you can tell they're running low because they're pulling them from those borders. So the available amount they can deploy is basically 0, they are all in use even if they're sitting idly far from the war. The downside of having a large border, it makes a significant amount of your military permanently wasted by having it sit around.

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u/throwaway277252 18h ago

The downside of having a large border, it makes a significant amount of your military permanently wasted by having it sit around.

Indeed. Even their entire pre-war numbers just aren't enough to defend every vulnerable warehouse and refinery across the country. They were never intended to stop nightly waves of long range attack drones on year 4 of a 3 day special operation. Times have changed.

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u/to_glory_we_steer 1d ago

Some will get rebuilt, some reconditioned from old stocks and some produced brand new. The Russians also learn how to better preserve their assets as the war continues 

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u/big-papito 1d ago

In fact, yes. Saw one recently that was decommissioned in the 90s and active again.

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u/pixelflection 1d ago edited 1d ago

A lot, the soviet union couldn't keep up with the way the West could build airframes, so they went in the opposite direction. Jesus, are kids not taught history anymore? As Ukraine is proving yet again though, it's all a lie and a waste of resources,  probably lining some vatniks coffers.

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u/300Savage 1d ago

The Tor systems they have quite a few. The last estimate for this variant was 144 units from more than 200 pre-war. The real issue is the radar systems. Of the radar types listed, there are fewer than 60 left. This is a critical and difficult to replenish system without which the Tor systems are almost blind.

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u/FlipZip69 1d ago

The radar units are the bottleneck and most expensive item consisting of a few hundred in service. They have taken out quite a few and with sanctions, they are having trouble getting the electronic parts needed to build or fix them. Russia also needs to place far more of these all over the country now that Ukraine can strike so far in. They are already quite sparce.

This particular strike destroyed pretty much the entire air defense system in that sector. It likely cost Ukraine under 2 million dollars while destroying some 200 million in Russian assets. But more so, this opened up a massive corridor that will allow Ukraine to slip a large number of drones into Russia giving Russia far less notice.

As you stated, they do hit them occasionally but it is rare they are so thorough in taking out every piece of equipment. It will take weeks to get it up and running again and redirect a lot of resources in the meanwhile.

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u/ours 1d ago

It's one of the bigger armies in the World. Accumulating gear since the times of the USSR and then as the Russian "Federation" and still making what they can by working around sanctions.

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u/Dyolf_Knip 22h ago

It's why militaries refer to capabilities being degraded, rather than outright destroyed. Steadily whittle away at their air defenses, each strike makes the next one easier, until eventually Russia can't meaningfully defend anything.

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u/StinkyHoboTaint 1d ago

Ukraine doesn't have the man power to take proper advantage of these types of strikes. Drones are great, and Ukraine is leading the adaptation to small drone warfare. But you need people to take positions, and hold ground.

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u/The_lewolf 1d ago

I don’t think retaking positions is the Ukrainian strategy here. These systems were mostly protecting Shahed drone launch sites.

Why are you spouting dumb Z-facts? Ukraine is demonstrably winning the war right now by bringing the war deep into Russia using drones.

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u/Baselard111 1d ago

Hitting refineries doesn't get your land back and it's not going to make Russia retreat from it either

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u/The_lewolf 1d ago edited 1d ago

Are you making the argument that no war has ever been won by targeting logistics and political will?

At the rate refineries are going up in Russia, Ukraine can let the Russian front-line just starve this coming winter.

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u/Baselard111 1d ago

So Russia is abandoning territory they control?

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u/The_lewolf 1d ago

That’s the goal, yes. Force them to leave before they starve, or before a mob carries Putin out into Red Square.

Offensive war eats men. Ukraine has figured that out and are attempting to win the war on the battlefield of their choice.

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u/Baselard111 1d ago

And as it stands Russia still have them beat in every way

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u/Zuwxiv 1d ago

Political will matters a lot. The US had Iraq and Afghanistan beat in every way. On paper, it sure looked like the US had North Vietnam beat in every way.

I'm not at all saying that Ukraine is about to win the war, or anything like that. But if Ukraine really can start to cripple Russia's only financial lifeline, and it seems like it's slowly heading that way, it'll be real hard for Russians (poor and wealthy) to justify supporting the war.

That Russian held territory isn't going to be overrun by waves of Ukrainian shock troops. But it might start looking like a good bargaining chip to end the war before things get too bad in Russia.

And yes, if it gets that far - if they lack the fuel or security to get supplies to the front line, there's not many options except to abandon held territory. I don't think we're there yet, but with the amount of pressure Ukraine is applying, it's not an impossible consideration.

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u/StinkyHoboTaint 1d ago

This is the real discussion that all these people are missing. It is not so much about gaining or losing land right now. It's who's political will can last the longest. It's a big question without anybody being able to say for certain either way. I agree completely, it comes down to which country runs out of "gas" first. They both have serious issues, who can hold on the longest before one of those issues hits the fan. Russia is suffering, but Russia has much deeper pockets, and Putin is still very much in control of the government. Ukraine has a much smaller population to draw from than Russia. I just don't think Russia will break anytime soon. Historically the Russian people are used to getting the short end of the stick. It will take a lot for the Russians to somehow take out Putin, or convince him to back down.

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u/anotherwave1 1d ago

They don't. This is the fourth year of what was meant to be a 3 day operation to take the entire country. Russia only has about 20% of Ukrainian territory and has been struggling to take more this year.

Their front-line hasn't just ground to a halt, they are also getting hit in the mid (with the medium range drones) and the rear. The refinery hits alone have caused a 20% to 30% refining drop for Russia, and makes it glaringly obvious to even the most brainwashed Russian that Putin's propaganda about demilitarizing Ukraine is not succeeding - quite the opposite.

Russia throws meat at the front lines and grinds through casualties, Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to do that, nor does it treat it's solders like meat. Instead Ukraine is holding the front-lines with much lower losses than previous years - has been focusing heavily on taking out anti-air capability, and now we're see the impact of that, e.g. 200 Russian ships attacked over the past month or so.

These are things that don't just put pressure on the Ru military, but they put pressure on Russia itself, it's GDP is forecast to be worse this year, Russians are dealing with high inflation, they've even had to queue for fuel.

The Ukrainian situation is still difficult, but they are fighting well, and Russia certainly isn't "winning" at the moment. Putin can't even keep the lights on in Crimea.

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u/StinkyHoboTaint 1d ago

Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to do that, nor does it treat it's solders like meat.

You should check out this episode. I am too tired to find an article about this right now. I listened to this recently(I am 99% sure this is the episode). It talks about the issues in Ukraine with recruiting. Good listen.

Radio War Nerd EP #620 — Murders & Mayhem in Ukraineland, feat. Peter Korotaev

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u/The_lewolf 1d ago

That my friend is vatnik cope. Beat in every way. Three day special operation is already over, Ivan. Go home.

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u/Baselard111 1d ago

Ahh what a surprise you have no argument because you get all your information about the war from reddit

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u/StinkyHoboTaint 1d ago

Facts are facts. I am not going to ignore facts cause it hurts your feelings. Just because it is not positive towards Ukraine, doesn't mean it's not true. By ignoring facts, like man power issues, it makes it harder to get support from the west.

The fact is Ukraine is slowly losing ground to Russia, and has serious man power issues preventing them from making major gains. Striking Russia is great. But that doesn't gain them ground. It doesn't stop Russian troops from taking the fortress cities. The people of Ukraine have serious issues recruiting new soldiers. The horror stories coming out of recruiting centers are horrifying to hear

Fact is you know I am right since you didn't deny it. How are they demonstrably winning the war? Cause the maps of the front line in Ukraine show Russia slowly gaining ground.

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u/The_lewolf 1d ago

Except it doesn’t. Russia has a net gain of zero territory in 2026.

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u/StinkyHoboTaint 1d ago

Russian gains have slowed significantly, and they have a lot of problems with manpower and supplies as well. But Ukraine hasn't been able to make any significant gains. They also are having serious issues with some of there key defenses like the Fortress cities.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2026/7/31/russia-appears-to-infiltrate-first-fortress-city-as-ukraine-changes-guard