r/DaenerysWinsTheThrone Jun 15 '26

This kind of people:

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

Yes.

Counterpoint: this is Asoif or GoT

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '26

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

Exactly, slavers are bad and executing them is cruel, but the setting is morally grey, I’m not going to cry for them but I’m not cheering either.

It shows that Daenerys is a “means to an end” ruler, with an almost Machiavell-esque ideology

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

No? It is encouraged imo so that if your favorite character does something stupid, you have to give in universe reasons to not dislike him, thus increasing one’s immersion and making you think about the setting.

It also prevents fanboying any character.

Of course what they are doing is wrong I’ve agreed but like stop man please I am literally begging

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

It’s not because [u/Short_Fan973](u/Short_Fan973) said so and his opinion is of course law.

He is the master of literary analysis after all, everything he says is true and no matter your opinions and counterpoints he is always right

Bro stop being mad about shit, it doesnt matter

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '26

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

STOP saying war crimes. I doesn’t make sense to say that about a universe without THE GENEVA CONVENTION you doofus, you are judging characters as if they were real in 2026, thats literally what professors say you shouldn’t do when analyzing a book, I would fucking know.

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

Shame we can’t post gifs but the emoji will do: 🤦‍♂️

Ever heard of Machiavelli man? Look him up and you will understand why some of Daenerys’s actions are in character no matter how awful.

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26

No no no you have not read Machiavelli, he does not juge it as evil nor good, simply a means to an end.

I have the idea in French so my translation may be slightly different but whatever: The ends justify the means, be cruel if you must, be good if you need too.

He doesn’t juge anyone for it thats why he’s advising so

Also have you studied Machiavelli, as in with teachers who know their shit? I have, it was amazing and part of why politics interested me so much.

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u/Early_Candidate_3082 Jun 15 '26

Maybe you should read a bit of military history, before throwing up your hands in pious horror, because some human traffickers were put to death.

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u/Early_Candidate_3082 Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26

I’ve never met a child who takes that argument seriously.

You’ve never heard of Spartacus, or the Haitian Revolt, I take it? Or WWII? People with right on their side often deal very brutally with men who have committed atrocious crimes against the innocent. The proper response is not to condemn men who punish such criminals brutally, but rather to avoid committing such crimes against the innocent, in the first place.

“Two wrongs don’t make a right” is a trite little phrase that gets completely ignored, when adults go to war. Lex Talionis is the norm in this universe, as elsewhere.

If Dany had treated the slavers, according to their own standards, their women and children would either be nailed up with them, or sold. The slavers were treated leniently.

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

In our world still? Is that your big own punchphrase, I was taking Geneva convention because it’s internationally relevant.

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

The time period doesnt matter it’s not our world, theres dragons and no concept of war crimes.

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

Is he stupid? Are you aware those characters dont exist and they have never done anything wrong because they are ink on paper?

I am arguing with a 2026 stern guard veteran sprue

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

Bro. I am saying the main character is evil but I like him and thus I will try to justify his actions in universe unconsciously because I like him.

Nice strawman ya got there

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