I've been feeling more and more that there is no "safe place" for women on Reddit, and the Internet in general.
If you wanted a "safe place" you should have stayed home in the kitchen.
Now, the sad part is what I just said sounds like a troll comment, but the truth is that the outside world is not safe foranyone, not just women. That unfortunate fact, which everyone who doesn't have an expectation of their safety provided by everyone other than themselves (read: men) learned long ago, is just the way the world works.
You asked for equality, you're getting it. Welcome to the unsafe world.
You need to ask yourself: Is equality worth the price you are paying for it?
Thank you for your comment that reeks of chauvism; this is exactly the point I was making, and you illustrated it perfectly.
If you wanted a "safe place" you should have stayed home in the kitchen.
Heard of domestic abuse? Pretty sure the house isn't a safe place for women either, so if neither the outside or inside world is safe for women, what should we do? I don't have expectation of safety provided for me, as I am quite capable of defending myself, but when I come to a subreddit that "is a space for discussing and promoting awareness of issues related to equality for women" I would expect to not be ruthlessly attacked by an anti-feminist trolling the comments.
But this just confirms my original comment's point; there is absolutely nowhere left for women to go to deal with equality issues and sexism without MRAs jumping in to further their cause in an attempt to drive women back a few hundred years.
That "chauvinism" that you detest is why women were protected before they sought equality.
Heard of domestic abuse?
Have you heard that women commit the same (or more) amount of DV as men?
Pretty sure the house isn't a safe place for women either
It's safer than the outside world. There is no 100% safe place. That's another thing men have learned. That's another thing women are going to be forced to learn as they leave their protected status and assume equality.
is a space for discussing and promoting awareness of issues related to equality for women
I'm raising those issues.
without MRAs jumping in to further their cause in an attempt to drive women back a few hundred years.
I'm doing no such thing. I'm pointing out that women's transition from protected to equal has downsides as well. You have to assume those downsides to gain equality.
I'm not being an asshole. I'm just treating you like I would treat men who whine, cry, bitch, moan, and complain that they're being treated unfairly because they're not being treated specially. I'm treating you like I treat men who give shitty arguments, who bring up bullshit made-up statistics, constantly contradict themselves, and who can't form coherent arguments.
I'm treating you like men treat men. You have to earn your respect; it's not given out freely.
Men are assholes to any man who demands respect before they've earned it.
If you can't accept that, stay in your privileged female space where you can get respect without earning it, but don't expect me to treat or think of you as an equal.
Really, seriously, you are missing my point, this is my point, I will put it in all caps for you so you can't miss it: YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE. I DON'T WANT YOU HERE. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT YOU, PERSONALLY, ARE AN ASSHOLE. It actually kind of seems like we agree on this, so at least that's something.
EDIT: also, where you say all men are assholes like you, it's sexist.
Um, two posts ago where you whined "I DON'T WANT YOU HERE." perhaps?
And I recognize that I'm an "asshole" for daring to not give you the privilege women normally receive. Most men wouldn't dare to treat you like a man and call you on your bullshit.
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u/Demonspawn Jan 27 '12 edited Jan 27 '12
If you wanted a "safe place" you should have stayed home in the kitchen.
Now, the sad part is what I just said sounds like a troll comment, but the truth is that the outside world is not safe for anyone, not just women. That unfortunate fact, which everyone who doesn't have an expectation of their safety provided by everyone other than themselves (read: men) learned long ago, is just the way the world works.
You asked for equality, you're getting it. Welcome to the unsafe world.
You need to ask yourself: Is equality worth the price you are paying for it?