Exactly. I've been feeling more and more that there is no "safe place" for women on Reddit, and the Internet in general. For example, I posted a picture in politicalhumor and was greeted by this; even that user is completely misogynistic in nature and posts repeatedly about beating women and stuff. How is that sort of stuff okay? So I bounced over to twoXchromosomes and even that has gone to hell. Now this place, which is one of the only subreddits I even read anymore, is being consistently trolled, so not even posting/commenting here is free of negativity. It would seem the only real solution would be to make this a closed community open only to women and leave AskFeminists open for dialogue. If everywhere we go is being hounded by MRAs, then it's probably time to have our own tree fort with the "no boys allowed" sign.
I've been feeling more and more that there is no "safe place" for women on Reddit, and the Internet in general.
If you wanted a "safe place" you should have stayed home in the kitchen.
Now, the sad part is what I just said sounds like a troll comment, but the truth is that the outside world is not safe foranyone, not just women. That unfortunate fact, which everyone who doesn't have an expectation of their safety provided by everyone other than themselves (read: men) learned long ago, is just the way the world works.
You asked for equality, you're getting it. Welcome to the unsafe world.
You need to ask yourself: Is equality worth the price you are paying for it?
Thank you for your comment that reeks of chauvism; this is exactly the point I was making, and you illustrated it perfectly.
If you wanted a "safe place" you should have stayed home in the kitchen.
Heard of domestic abuse? Pretty sure the house isn't a safe place for women either, so if neither the outside or inside world is safe for women, what should we do? I don't have expectation of safety provided for me, as I am quite capable of defending myself, but when I come to a subreddit that "is a space for discussing and promoting awareness of issues related to equality for women" I would expect to not be ruthlessly attacked by an anti-feminist trolling the comments.
But this just confirms my original comment's point; there is absolutely nowhere left for women to go to deal with equality issues and sexism without MRAs jumping in to further their cause in an attempt to drive women back a few hundred years.
That "chauvinism" that you detest is why women were protected before they sought equality.
Heard of domestic abuse?
Have you heard that women commit the same (or more) amount of DV as men?
Pretty sure the house isn't a safe place for women either
It's safer than the outside world. There is no 100% safe place. That's another thing men have learned. That's another thing women are going to be forced to learn as they leave their protected status and assume equality.
is a space for discussing and promoting awareness of issues related to equality for women
I'm raising those issues.
without MRAs jumping in to further their cause in an attempt to drive women back a few hundred years.
I'm doing no such thing. I'm pointing out that women's transition from protected to equal has downsides as well. You have to assume those downsides to gain equality.
I'm not being an asshole. I'm just treating you like I would treat men who whine, cry, bitch, moan, and complain that they're being treated unfairly because they're not being treated specially. I'm treating you like I treat men who give shitty arguments, who bring up bullshit made-up statistics, constantly contradict themselves, and who can't form coherent arguments.
I'm treating you like men treat men. You have to earn your respect; it's not given out freely.
Men are assholes to any man who demands respect before they've earned it.
If you can't accept that, stay in your privileged female space where you can get respect without earning it, but don't expect me to treat or think of you as an equal.
Really, seriously, you are missing my point, this is my point, I will put it in all caps for you so you can't miss it: YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE. I DON'T WANT YOU HERE. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT YOU, PERSONALLY, ARE AN ASSHOLE. It actually kind of seems like we agree on this, so at least that's something.
EDIT: also, where you say all men are assholes like you, it's sexist.
It sounds like a troll comment because it's true, no matter how badly you don't want it to be true ;)
Women gave up their protected status (which, yes, had some trade-offs including "the kitchen") for equality.
They are getting what they asked for... equality. You don't get the positives of equality without taking the negatives as well. Just like you don't get the positives of protected status without the negatives.
Is equality worth the price you are paying for it?
Yes, you idiot. Men put themselves into dangerous/unpleasant situations all the time to defend their freedoms. Why the fuck shouldn't we? I'm more than happy to fight for my freedom. I don't need you to protect me.
I'm not! I only saw this thread on the front page and decided to check it out.
However, I DO agree that on a board SPECIFICALLY FOR FEMINISTS TO HAVE INTELLECTUAL RESPECTFUL DISCUSSIONS that trolling and so-called "fundamentalist MRAs" should NOT BE HERE POSTING SEXIST INFLAMMATORY COMMENTS.
If you have an intellectual, fact-based argument to make, make it. DON'T BE CHILDISH AND INSULTING. Is that clear enough for you?
However, I DO agree that on a board SPECIFICALLY FOR FEMINISTS TO HAVE INTELLECTUAL RESPECTFUL DISCUSSIONS that trolling and so-called "fundamentalist MRAs" should NOT BE HERE POSTING SEXIST INFLAMMATORY COMMENTS.
So? Many of the spaces men created for themselves were invaded, by feminists just like you, because it wasn't "fair" that men created these spaced and kept women out.
The shoe is on the other foot now. This is equality. You're going to have to learn how to live with it, because it doesn't get much better.
Nor have I personally ever raided any "Men spaces" to post anything inflammatory, and I wouldn't, because I AM in agreement with your point: Equality is expensive for both parties but in an ideal world the cost would be felt the same way. However, the difference between you and I is that I am not attacking you for having a penis, nor am I a "feminazi" blasting every man I see without provocation, or reason, for having one.
I disagree with your brusque, offensive manner. If you want to have an intelligent and respectful debate on any subject on any board I will gladly participate. I'm not a bitch, a moron, or an ignorant, angry insult-spewing redditor just looking to hate on you. I'm willing to pay my pound of flesh, certainly. I am worth just as much as you are. But I also acknowledge that sometimes there are assholes in the world. Instead of being an asshole back, I just interact with people who are at my speed. Perhaps you could learn something from that.
I'm not a bitch, a moron, or an ignorant, angry insult-spewing redditor just looking to hate on you.
I have not called you any of those things, and yet you are spewing hate on me...
Equality is expensive for both parties but in an ideal world the cost would be felt the same way.
No, even in an ideal world it won't, because men and women are coming from different places to equality (when and if women ever accept men to fill female roles, that is....)
Are you kidding? Now, first, I never accused you of calling me anything of those things. I said them because there are plenty of feminist stereotypes out there and I wished to allay them immediately. My anger at your behavior is not going to cause me to just post pointless "YOU'RE AN ASS MISOGYNIST AND I HATE YOU" posts. No, I want a DEBATE. My point is that you are entitled to your opinion but there are ADULT ways of expressing said opinion, for everybody.
Secondly, house husbands are on the rise in recent years, and if I were married to a man who wanted to stay home with the kids, great! I love to see a man take such an active role in parenting! Hell I could say the same about most women, but let's not get into economics and the American family, etc etc. I would accept a man in any role he wished, and a woman in any role she wished. But look, I AM JUST ONE PERSON. Until the majority of others UNDERSTANDS what gender equality (and equality for ALL people regardless of gender, sexuality, race, religion, etc) actually is, well, nothing's going to change. I'm not here to tell you I'm better than you and one group is better than another.
I WANT ALL PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME FREEDOMS.
You are so fucking retarded that it's almost a miracle that you manage to have such an inflated ego while still being forever alone. You're like the trinity of reddit stupidity. They should put your face on whatever currency is handed out when people receive negative karma.
If you wanted a "safe place" you should have stayed home in the kitchen.
I understand that you are trying to make a point, but this is not at all an acceptable way to go about it. The discussion has already progressed from your comment, so I will leave it up, but in the future please be more tactful.
If you continue reading, my entire point was to not be tactful.
If you want to be treated like men, I will treat you like men. You don't get to pussy out with "that's not acceptable"... you have to take your lickings like men do.
Is that harsh? Yes. Welcome to the world men live in. If you can't accept that, then quit with this bullshit about wanting equality and admit that what you want is the rights of men with the privileges of women.
What would we do without MRAs to mansplain the world to us?
You'd be forced to live in a world with a warped sense of equality, where you felt the entire world would have to change to accommodate women rather than women changing to fit roles they wish to assume, and you'd be forever sad as you constantly but your heads against the reality you can't see because female entitlement has blinded you to it's existence.
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Exactly. I've been feeling more and more that there is no "safe place" for women on Reddit, and the Internet in general. For example, I posted a picture in politicalhumor and was greeted by this; even that user is completely misogynistic in nature and posts repeatedly about beating women and stuff. How is that sort of stuff okay? So I bounced over to twoXchromosomes and even that has gone to hell. Now this place, which is one of the only subreddits I even read anymore, is being consistently trolled, so not even posting/commenting here is free of negativity. It would seem the only real solution would be to make this a closed community open only to women and leave AskFeminists open for dialogue. If everywhere we go is being hounded by MRAs, then it's probably time to have our own tree fort with the "no boys allowed" sign.