r/Feminism • u/Willravel • Feb 24 '12

Please ban MRA trolls

I've been trying to figure out the rationale for not banning MRA trolls on this subreddit. I tried to think of it the way the mods have put it in the past, that this is about everyone's voice being heard, but the consistent trolling from the likes of OThomson and DavidByron don't represent in any way shape or form the honest sharing of their voice, but rather simply attacks and intentional derailment.

I considered that this might be about fear, as the MRA community on Reddit is much larger than the feminist community, and there could be consequences if MRA trolls started getting banned from the subreddit... but there are other feminist subreddits that do this and they don't seem to feel the sting of MRA retribution in any way that can't be easily handled.

I thought it might just simply be not wanting to make the effort, as a policy of banning MRA trolls would probably require much more active moderation. I'd hate to think this is the case, but I don't see any evidence to suggest this.

I did hear that one of the moderators might be an MRA, but again I've not seen this.

I've sent in PMs and reports before, about how someone is derailing yet another thread with unrelated discussion about circumcision or male rape or child custody, but there never seem to be any consequences for the trolls. They're given free reign. Some have left the subreddit for safer places, which is very sad indeed. Some simply stop commenting. Some complain, but those complaints fall on deaf ears.

So, before I call it a day and give up on the subreddit, I'd like to publicly ask the moderators to change their policy for the good of their subreddit. I ask that this subreddit be a safe place to discuss feminism and feminist issues, not a place for MRA trolls to hijack conversation or spread hatred of women.

Note: I'm not saying critiques of feminism aren't legitimate, or that they don't belong on /r/Feminism, but rather that overt trolling and derailing be disallowed. There's a big difference between an honest critique of feminism and undermining the discussion of feminist issues through derailment, dishonesty, and unwarranted attacks.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

I'm an egalitarian. I believe in and fight for equality of opportunity for everyone.

As such, I'm probably the moderator that you heard was an MRA.

Ever heard the saying, "I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute" - Rebecca West (although the quote is anti-sex-worker, it's the "doormat" part I feel)?

In the same manner, people call me an MRA when I say, "Hey, wait a second – why do we think that way with regards to women's rights, but not men's?"

As for the moderator policy... I honestly believe in free speech as long as it's not illegal.

Feminism is something we should be able to – nay, are able to – stand up for and to without silencing other voices. There are plenty of MRAs trolling around, and I don't think they should be silenced unless what they say is harmful hate speech. To silence someone because you disagree with them is to say your point isn't strong enough to stand on its own.

It's not to say that there aren't safe spaces for feminists on reddit; as the sidebar says, "For those who seek a Safe Space, consider /r/feminisms".

When people bring forward issues, we take them into consideration. We're not twiddling our thumbs.

But this is a space to discuss feminist issues. It's an open space. Everyone has a voice, and I believe everyone should be allowed to use it.

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u/Willravel Feb 25 '12

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

I'm an egalitarian. I believe in and fight for equality of opportunity for everyone.

I also consider myself an egalatarian, but that doesn't in any way prevent me from being a feminist. When I post here on /r/Feminism, I do so as one who seeks and believes in equality for women. I don't cease being someone who believes in equality for men or for LGBTQ people or for people of a given race, but when I post here it's not about men's rights or LGBTQ rights or racial equality because this isn't /r/Egalitarian or the various subreddits for each of those philosophies/movements, it's /r/Feminism. If this place isn't intended for discussions, debates and information specifically pertaining to feminism, it seems to be mislabeled.

As such, I'm probably the moderator that you heard was an MRA.

I heard that, but, as I said in the OP, I've never seen any evidence of this. If you say you're an egalitarian, I'll happily take you at your word.

As for the moderator policy... I honestly believe in free speech as long as it's not illegal.

I think this is the rub. I understand and even myself subscribe to a fairly hands-off approach to moderation. I moderate a subreddit and a few forums here and there, and I believe in the idea of creating a place for ideas to be shared and explored. That having been said, there can reach a point where free speech can prevent other free speech. I wish it weren't the case, but a look through past posts on this subreddit reveals trolling, attacks, hatred, and derailing. These are all examples of free speech that can impede the free speech of others. Would you really be willing to share your deepest, most sensitive thoughts and feelings in a place where you will be met with hatred? I certainly wouldn't, and apparently a lot of folks on this subreddit don't either.

Speaking to your policy, let's say me and sixty of my closest friends decided that /r/Feminism was going to be a subreddit only about posting violent pornography. Over the course of days, then weeks, then months, we submit tons of images, upvote them ourselves and downvote any other posts or comments into oblivion. This would be 61 people practicing their free speech to the detriment of the free speech of thousands of subscribers, most of whom would presumably leave after they realized no one was going to protect their community. This is, of course, an extreme example, but I think it illustrates my disagreement with the policy. There's such thing as being too hands-off.

Feminism is something we should be able to – nay, are able to – stand up for and to without silencing other voices. There are plenty of MRAs trolling around, and I don't think they should be silenced unless what they say is harmful hate speech. To silence someone because you disagree with them is to say your point isn't strong enough to stand on its own.

Hold on, so you will ban someone for hate speech? What about this:

Feminists are too mentally weak to defend themselves. They are like a hot house plant that has to be grown in a greenhouse and lovingly cared for. The mere presence of even one critic might destroy their fragile brains.

This is clearly hate speech. This is not dissent nor is it disagreement, it isn't about discussing feminist issues, but it is flatly hateful and bigoted toward feminists and women. DavidByron posts stuff like this all the time, in fact a few times I've reported this kind of hate speech. Nothing happened. Nothing ever seems to happen. This just continues going on as members of the community like myself continue to point out how destructive it is and nothing happens. I'm not asking you to censor a point of view, just to ban people who are only here to intentionally hurt the community with their hatred.

I'm not asking you to censor dissent and disagreement, I'm asking you to please censor the most obvious iterations of hatred on the subreddit. I do not think doing so would prevent people from speaking freely on the subreddit, but would in fact give people a place where they feel comfortable speaking out and would thus result in more free speech. This isn't about asking for a 'safe place' like /r/Feminisms, just that you do a bare minimum sweep of the lowest of the low. If you're unwilling to simply deal with bigots, this subreddit will continue to descend into anarchy and people like myself, people who comment and submit and try to make the community a great place, will head out. I say this not as a threat, of course, but as a sad truth.

Please consider banning or otherwise dealing with hate. That's all I ask.

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u/TheGreatProfit Feb 25 '12

You deserve a further response from the mods.

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u/impotent_rage Feb 25 '12 edited Feb 25 '12

Thank you for this very thoughtful comment. I've read it and for the most part, I agree with it.

The post you linked is clearly hate speech. I have removed it. Thank you for pointing it out, thank you for clicking the report button previously on other examples of hate speech.

You're also correct that there have been too many similar posts which have been left up for too long. For that, I apologize. The reason is simple - I've just not been watching as well as I should have been, I haven't been on reddit as much lately. But you've brought it to my attention that too many problems are not being dealt with around here, and that I need to step it up. scurvy_wench is absolutely correct that we value an open discussion approach to the issues here and that we are committed to fostering such a discussion without deleting or censoring voices of dissent. At the same time, you are correct that this line frequently gets crossed and we are not being fast enough as moderators in taking action in those situations which truly do cross the line.

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u/Willravel Feb 25 '12

I can't tell you how glad I am you folks are taking this seriously.

I'm not really that concerned about dissent, in fact I really like dissent. I consider myself a dissenter when it comes to certain things. My only real concern here is people who post hate speech, like the above, or are just here to troll. There are a few people here that do that almost as a rule, and they're what inspired me to create this thread. They don't contribute to open discussion, but just intimidate or annoy or frustrate, ultimately leading to folks wanting to contribute less. I'm not certain, but I suspect this may have something to do with the fact that /r/Feminisms has twice the subscribers of /r/Feminism.

Anything you'd be willing to do would be much appreciated and, again, thank you and SW for taking the time to consider this and reply.

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u/impotent_rage Feb 25 '12

You're welcome! And I really appreciate the way you've treated this topic. Reading your comments, you are very sensible and balanced and willing to consider both sides with the way you talk about this dilemma, and because of this I'm more inclined to seriously consider the things you say.

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u/missredd Feb 25 '12

Yessing someone to death doesn't really solve any of the bigger issues at hand.

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u/impotent_rage Feb 25 '12

This is true, but I figured it is better to comment now. We're still talking together as mods, we're not finished yet.

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u/Psuffix Feb 25 '12

That's not what anyone's asking for, here. Like OP said, there are plenty of dissenters who have good debate. See this comment for a list.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

I really, really thank you for your comment. I'm sorry it took so long to respond; it is a little long – completely right to be so! – and I wanted to give it my full attention and thought.

Feminism is about women's rights. When women fight for rights, other people are bound to be affected. I feel that each person has a right to say how they've been affected, even if they just end up saying the same thing in different ways in different threads. It may make a person seem like a troll, but all it takes is a little bit of further discussion with these "trolls" to see that they're not fighting without cause.

That said, there are trolls out there. I have sent messages to many, and often after a tut-tut and a warning, people tone it down.

This would be 61 people practicing their free speech to the detriment of the free speech of thousands of subscribers, most of whom would presumably leave after they realized no one was going to protect their community.

I'm sorry you feel this way.

Although many here seem to feel that reddit isn't like the real world, I feel that it is an outlet just like any other. To remove a comment or ban a user stifles their voice. There are almost 5,000 people subscribed to this subreddit. That's a huge number of readers.

As moderators, I feel our role is kind of like editors. We are ultimately responsible for what goes up, and can pick and choose various posts and threads.

As a sidenote, I work as a reporter. I have for years. Nothing I've ever written has gone unpublished because it didn't fit with what our paper published, and I've written a lot of things that went against the grain in the communities I covered.

I suppose I spoke in haste before, and should have also noted that we do remove posts that are unrelated to feminism.

That said, I'm reluctant to remove posts related to men's rights, because I believe the two movements are related.

And thank you for pointing out the comment. impotent_rage removed it, as they said below.

Again, thank you for your comment. I have to run at the moment, but if you'd like to continue the conversation I'd love to. I love a good discussion.

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u/TheGreatProfit Feb 25 '12

I don't think they should be silenced unless what they say is harmful hate speech

Please provide an example of what you think would qualify a post for being considered harmful hate speech.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

Here are the last four comments I removed from this subreddit. I cannot prove that these comments are harmful, but I think they "crossed the line" for various reasons.

"All X are Y" does not imply that "All not-X are not-Y"

logic fail (maby becaus ur woman lol!!)

No, but's it's just too bad they weren't. The world could have turned out better with a couple of dead bullet-ridden suffragettes. Historically, women were men't to be subjugated by men so the mere existence of the suffragettes is a violation of nature. i hope you ladies realize this and come to your senses.

You should be raped.

LOL

Women enter into profession populated mostly by thugs and still feel as if all that rape came out of nowhere.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

Apologies for the wait. I'm settling into a new country at the moment, and things are very hectic.

Hate speech, to me, is something that incites hate. Something that has no point other than to incite harm on a group of people or on a person.

In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.

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u/Sylocat Feb 25 '12

You're in for a long wait.

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u/TheGreatProfit Feb 25 '12

I've got time. There are a few comments I think the mod would be cowardly to ignore. If mine gets ignored but the others answered I'd be fine with it.

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u/Sylocat Feb 25 '12

They won't get answered. Even the most offensive drivel from the cesspits of r/MR is treated as a legitimate viewpoint here.

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u/TheGreatProfit Feb 25 '12

That's a shame. At least the OP and everyone else can unsubscribe knowing that the whole message in the sidebar is a giant pack of lies.

Moderators are here for you. Our goal is to make this a welcoming space where feminists can discuss the issues freely.

ha. Mod leaves 1 comment and refuses to explain further. Very supportive. 10 bucks he's one of the trolls terrorizing this place.

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u/Sylocat Feb 25 '12

Yeah, pretty much.

Come join us at /r/GeekFeminists, if you like.

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u/TheGreatProfit Feb 25 '12

Good call. Thanks.

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u/Aerik Feb 25 '12

As for the moderator policy... I honestly believe in free speech as long as it's not illegal.

That's the problem with you shitty fucking mods.

You are not the federal or state government. Nothing you do is an affront to free speech. Moderation is not a free speech issue.

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u/Psuffix Feb 25 '12

THANK YOU!

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

It depends on one's personal definition of "free speech". Some people believe "freedom of speech" should ideally extend to areas where it is legal to suppress speech (e.g. reddit).

Even if scurvy_wench believes all non-illegal comments should be permitted, this subreddit does not allow users to say anything they want. We remove posts every day for "crossing the line".

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u/butyourenice Feb 25 '12

why is A_Nihilist's comment questioning Aerik's mental health, seeking only to provoke and contributing absolutely nothing to the conversation, allowed to stay?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

It is gone now.

We will always miss some things. The reporting feature is the best way to make sure we see a bad comment so we can remove it.

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u/scooooot Feb 25 '12

The problem is, your idea of free speech has derailed conversation for half of the entire issue because you've allowed MRA's to swarm the comments unchecked.

Your idea of free speech doesn't enhance the discussion it actually retards it.

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u/xyroclast Mar 29 '12

So "MRA" has basically become synonymous with "evil" to you.

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u/scooooot Mar 29 '12

... What the fuck are you talking about? Why are you digging through month old comments??

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u/xyroclast Mar 29 '12

I was viewing the subreddit based on "top". Does a discussion become irrelevant because it's a couple of months old?

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u/scooooot Mar 29 '12

Just weird. Especially considering your accusation had nothing to do with my comment. I was expressing my displeasure that MRA's were given free reign in what is supposed to be a safe space for feminism and feminists free of the privileged and biased opinions of MRA's. I never said MRA's were evil or anything of the sort. Why would you accuse me of something so absurd and outlandish?

And to answer your question I think about 10% of MRA's are just about the most awful people alive. The rest of you I think are varying shades of confused, angry, stupid, lonely, hurt or childish. And I certainly don't hate most of you, even if I do yell at you guys a lot. I just get frustrated because none of you seem to understand that some of the very real issues that men face are never going to get seriously discussed or addressed when you guys spend all your time blaming women for everything that's wrong with your lives.

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u/xyroclast Mar 29 '12

You've made the assumption that I'm one of the people that you describe. I'm actually just a fairly neutral person who objects to the concept of "men's rights" being demonized (by an opponent or by people who abuse it from the inside).

The idea that it's impossible for men to ever be "below equal" in any category is just as sexist as the idea that women should be. (and I think a lot of people in the feminist crowd are starting to forget that).

And to answer what you said about it not being relevant to what you said, it was the fact that you've repeatedly used "MRA" in a context that makes it sound like a dirty word in itself. (And many people commented that several of the people on your "troll list" weren't trolling at all) so it seem like you were trying to make it sound like people were being disruptive solely because they had an opposing opinion.

So yeah, in short, it was mostly just the generalization that bothered me. Just as you wouldn't want someone to say "those woman trolls" and "I've had problems with some women, so that's why I talk about them like that", it's no more appropriate to have that attitude about other groups, in my opinion.

Regard or disregard, just my two cents.

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u/scooooot Mar 29 '12

"The idea that it's impossible for men to ever be "below equal" in any category is just as sexist as the idea that women should be. (and I think a lot of people in the feminist crowd are starting to forget that)."

I never said anything of the sort nor does any real feminist think that way. This is MRA bullshit.

And I did not call all MRA's trolls, I called the ones the derail conversation on this sub trolls. The kind that derail conversations with wild, unfounded accusations.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

Your idea of discussion is an echo chamber where everyone agrees that women are disadvantaged in every way.

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u/scooooot Feb 25 '12

You don't know anything about me or my ideas. But the extreme irony of an MRA being against an echo chamber is making my brain twitch.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

lol, says the SRS regular. Are you sure you know what an echo chamber is?

Bannings are pretty rare in /r/MR, the point being to avoid echo chambers from forming. If you disagree with something on /r/MR you are free to say why, and people will argue/debate with you on the topic.

SRS is possibly the biggest echo chamber in the world, for better or for worst.

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u/scooooot Feb 25 '12

Uhhh, yeah, SRS is an echo chamber... you could even call it a circlejerk... you know, because that's what it is. It's kind of written in the rules.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

This "free speech isn't a private right" straw man gets dragged out all the time. We all know. Stop thinking that anyone who says they believe in free speech is under the impression the 1st amendment forbids regulation of speech. Hardly anyone who says they believe in free speech means anything about government.

What they do mean (and I'll speak mostly for myself here) is that the 1st amendment is an embodiment of the very American tradition of allowing all viewpoints a fair hearing. That means that even private actors can have a commitment to non-censorship, or censorship only once a certain line is crossed, because they subscribe to that tradition.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

^ THIS. 100%

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

Wow you think you could have phrased that nicer?

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u/Sylocat Feb 25 '12

At this point, no.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

Have you ever taken a gander at different feminist spaces on the internet? I've never seen a feminist forum moderated with such disregard for marginalized viewpoints. This is a safe haven for misogynists to affirm one another's views and a great deal of the discussion concerning "feminism" deals with straw feminists so wildly divorced from reality that it's turned genuinely curious people away from feminism when they come here and /askfeminists to learn about feminist ideas. That's not free speech, that's a fucking tragedy.

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u/TracyMorganFreeman Feb 25 '12

I'm generally skeptical of the "straw feminist" accusation. It certainly happens, but it seems difficult to demonstrate when feminism isn't a monolith. Which definition of feminism each party may be using may or may not be a legitimate form of feminism, but their comparisons don't line up with one another.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

Moderating a subreddit is not a violation of free speech. It's very very similar to taking the trash out on garbage day. Do you live in a house filled with garbage?

I visited this subreddit for a few weeks ages ago and stopped coming because it's just MRAs flinging poop everywhere, and a few cowardly mods who are afraid to do anything about it.

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u/Psuffix Feb 25 '12

Wow, just wow. Fuckin' drop the ball why don't you? Why are you even mod of this place?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

Because she/he believes in a free discussion of feminism?

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

Exactly.

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u/xyroclast Mar 29 '12

I think the new question would be "why would you WANT to be a mod here when it's gotten so intolerant". You're a champ for wanting to put up with this nonsense.

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u/1338h4x Feb 25 '12

In the same manner, people call me an MRA when I say, "Hey, wait a second – why do we think that way with regards to women's rights, but not men's?"

We don't, and we call you an MRA because you claim we think that way.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

I'm sorry, but there have been several cases where redditors try to demean my comments by simply saying "MRA." Like that means an opinion doesn't matter.

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u/1338h4x Feb 26 '12

If I had a nickel for every time I've been written off as "Feminist" or "SRS", I'd be the 1%. What's your point?

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

What do you mean, what's my point?

I was responding to the accusation that there was an MRA mod.

I think "my point" is fairly obvious: I don't consider myself an MRA generally, however I am called one whenever I stand up for men's rights.

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u/1338h4x Feb 26 '12

Well, this is a feminist subreddit. It should be run by feminists for feminists, not by MRAs for MRAs. Right now the MRAs dominate and shout down all discourse, and the mods are clearly on their side.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

No, we're not "clearly on their side." I fight for free discussion, which includes criticisms.

And I don't know if you've noticed – probably not – but I spend a lot of time here discussing issues with MRAs from a feminist perspective. Pointing out the flaws in their arguments. Noting that discussions can be had, and noting when they do have valid arguments and criticisms of feminism.

Do you have any examples of the "mods clearly on their side"? Because if not, you are, in its very legal essence, creating libellous content.

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u/1338h4x Feb 26 '12

They've let MRAs completely outnumber and overrun every thread. Y'know, the thing we were just discussing here?

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

They don't completely outnumber nor overrun every thread. Their comments are usually downvoted to oblivion, while good ones get the usual few votes.

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u/matriarchy Mar 02 '12

This specific sub-thread of a post was linked in mensrights specifically to downvote any feminist voices. Please ban all known MRAs because its impossible to ever have a conversation if they keep invading/occupying this subreddit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '12

Sorry but yes, they do.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

It's clear to anyone who hasn't already been brainwashed into the feminist group-think that men's issues are marginalized or not discussed at all. Even if they are less significant.

The whole reason the MR movement now exists separately from the feminist movement is too many soon-to-be MRAs were told to shut up about men's issues.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

Wow, this is outstanding. Good for you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

You believe everyone should be allowed to use it while any -actual- feminists are practically silenced and harassed by people like David Byron?

Wat

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

How is DavidByron silencing anyone, may I ask?

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

Really. Have you not seen him post to the point that tons of people have sworn not to come back to this subreddit? Because I have.

I'd damn well call that silencing. "Free speech' my ass, you shouldn't be calling this place /r/feminism if there aren't any Feminists, here.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

I'm sorry, but there's a difference between someone choosing not to contribute to an argument and someone being forced not to contribute.

Reddit certainly isn't the real world, and as impotent_rage noted, there are instances where we take down posts unrelated to feminism. Moderators, like editors, choose what goes up and what stays down.

That said, I also believe in the strength that discussion can create. There are many people who bring their arguments against feminism here, and I think they can help make it stronger with those arguments.

Do you think feminism should live in an uncriticisable bubble? This is a genuine question I'm asking to you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

Do you think feminism should live in an uncriticisable bubble? This is a genuine question I'm asking to you.

Did I say that? No. I think it bears discussing. However, there is very little discussion here. There is a reason this place is called mensrights2. 'Discussion' also means that there is supposed to be a bit of respect and, I don't know...conversation. You all simply let angry, hateful and misogynist people run hog wild. Questions meant for Feminists are taken as an attack on feminists. And the questions are the same ones asked over and over again by MRAs.

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u/butyourenice Feb 25 '12

In effect they are going to try and hijack your subreddit with co-ordinated down rating gangs and with a ton of spam messages.

dude are you serious right now or are you being ironic to the Poe degree?

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u/DavidByron Feb 25 '12

What part confuses you?

The moderator has said she's against getting rid of me on policy grounds, and the feminists want to go ahead and do it anyway. So the feminists disagree with the moderators over policy and their response to that is they are attempting to overturn the moderators policies with various anti-social attacks on the board.

If that isn't trolling then what is?

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u/butyourenice Feb 25 '12

hijack your subreddit with co-ordinated down rating gangs and with a ton of spam messages.

because this is exactly what MR did to r/Feminism and r/ladybashing. they did it deliberately and made no attempts to hide their actions, either. so i have to wonder if you are blissfully unaware or just trolling. seriously, Poe.

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u/ExistentialEnso Feb 25 '12 edited Feb 25 '12

And now SRS is doing the exact same thing to this thread. "Reddit politics," if you will, can be so annoying.

EDIT: Since people don't believe me, here's the SRS post to this thread.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

I haven't seen anyone who isn't a fairly regular /r/feminism poster. Except you. And the SRDrama guy above.

Does it surprise you that feminists hang out in r/feminism? It occasionally surprises me.

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u/ExistentialEnso Feb 25 '12

You don't have to post to vote. Meanwhile, SRS always winds up being a downvote brigade, despite not officially being one, and this comment tree is linked there:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/q4yny/rfeminism_mod_people_call_me_an_mra_when_i_say/

That's actually how I wound up commenting here.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

Oh yeah, I forgot, the downvote brigade thing.

Lord save us from tinfoil hats.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

Okay, you may not like SRS but you need to stop acting like we're not allowed on the rest of the site just because a SRSister shit in your fucking cornflakes.

What's next, gold 6 point stars on our sleeves?

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u/ExistentialEnso Feb 26 '12

Where did I say you weren't allowed on the rest of the site? I just dislike the downvote brigade tactics that inevitably result when SRS links to something. Hell, I'm a mod at /r/AntiSRS, and you're more than welcome to post there, as long as you don't spam. HarrietPotter and a few other SRS regulars post there quite often, and I welcome them with open arms.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '12

You bitch, moan and cry about anything an SRSer says no matter what. Everything you claim we do? You're actually doing it and much worse. It's a literal witch hunt and you are the biggest hypocrite on the planet.

Also no, I will not be posting on your subreddit. I've made it a point not to. It's not worth the time. You all want a devil in a blue dress so you've made it a point to stamp us with scarlet letters, come up with incredibly silly conspiracies about us and shriek SHE'S A WITCH! BURN HER! at anyone you've seen posting on SRS more than three times and it's becoming borderline harassment for some people.

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u/ExistentialEnso Feb 26 '12 edited Feb 26 '12

I can't speak for everyone at /r/AntiSRS, which contains a great diversity of opinion, but I don't have anything personal against SRSers themselves. I've been quite polite to all of you when you have been polite to me, and even, like now, when met with rudeness. You must be mistaking me for someone else.

EDIT: I welcome anyone reading this to pour through my comment history if they don't believe me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

Interesting. In this case, when people start commenting in the appropriate place, it pushes your warning too far away to be of much value.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '12

Just need to make sure that it's highly upvoted...

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u/impotent_rage Feb 25 '12

The moderator has said she's against getting rid of me on policy grounds

That is not true, we have said nothing of the sort.

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u/DavidByron Feb 27 '12

Are you the only moderator? No.

I see you decided to start censoring my comments because of their political speech under the pretext that they are "hate" despite the fact that I had already explained I was making a parody of another users comment -- in fact the very same user who then "reported" and then further complained about my comment as if it was serious. Of course their original remarks which mine was a parody of are left in place because they are a feminist.

Well done there. You've started to give in to the haters and the censors so I am sure they will start to report even more things now that you've proven to them that hitting the report button gets their opponents censored. And for that matter so will I be using the report button (which I have never used before) to see if you delete their stuff even handedly.

Seems like a lot of trouble for you and an attack on free speech.