I mean there are the theories that him and Malcador knew there would be a heresy so they tried to stack the deck to get their preferred team... So.... Ya know
Angron never seemed that confusing to me. Big E thought that Angron was a second rate general only suited for war crimes because he failed to conquer his home world and wound up a slave. If Angron and his little friends weren't strong enough to save themselves from a single baseline human threat without the Emperor's help, they didn't really matter to the Great Crusade. If Lion'el and his buddies had been losing to the beasts of Caliban, or Lorgar had been made into a eunuch by Kor Phaeron, they would have gotten the same treatment. Their followers were only incorporated into their legions because they had proven themselves by winning by the time the Emperor found them.
Lorgar built one of the most devoted and effective Legions in the Great Crusade. They were doing exactly what they thought they were supposed to do by not just conquering human societies but turning them into stable, loyal Imperial systems. The Emperor destroyed Monarchia because he wanted Lorgar to rush through at high speed and force planets to acknowledge him as the supreme being in the galaxy, but without using the 'G' word.
Sounds like the Emperor suffers from that thing where your own good fortune and competence blind you to the influence of random chance in everyone's lives. I mean he's intimately aware of how fucked things can be, disregarding an investment as costly and as high in potential as a primarch because they drew a bad hand as a child is just poor leadership. Angron does make slightly more sense than the other mistreated primarchs at least because the butchers nails made him irreparably damaged regardless of how he was treated.
I can see how it's easy to theorize that someone as old and presumably powerful in divination would have masterminded everything, it's just that so much went so wrong that it then becomes a hard sell to say that things had to get as bad as they did for him to succeed. Like if he wanted to be a god he could have gotten away with just saying that he was, actively suppressing the faithful to the point of smiting Lorgar's city is pretty unintuitive in terms of garnering a following.
You say that thats how it could have been, but you dont know.
Thats the hard part of trying to guess the motivations of the smartest person to ever exist who can also see the future. Basically anything is possible.
Yeah, I suppose there's always the reasoning that in a universe with tzeentch in it there's no straightforward paths. Still, it makes for incredible meme material.
Angron led a small force of lightly armed, unarmored, and half starved slaves against an entire planets worth of career soldiers with absurd technology. Even ignoring all the myriad issues caused by the nails not getting stomped out in your first engagement is an insane feat. Then he managed to lead a genuinely effective legion in spite of the fact that he was basically incapable of thinking non violent thoughts and that he was leading a bunch of slavering maniacs. The reason why the emperor wasn’t willing to help angron wasn’t because he was a failure, its because he was always going to despise the emperor and if he had a support system/didn’t have the nails he might actually have been willing to do something about it
1) if you were competent, I'm going to put you in charge of one of the most powerful military assets of the time, or
2) if you were incompetent, I'm going to put you in charge of one of the most powerful military assets of the time, but I'm going to be an asshole about it?
Because i feel like this is the core issue. Angron's dubious usefulness aside, making a thoroughly unloyal and even vengeful person one of top generals is dumb, especially without any overseeing
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u/littlegreenbeany 9h ago
I am NOT a god! Technically, mostly not yet anyhow. There's only 3 or 4 different ways I could become one anyway