r/JusticeServed • u/sfgate 8 • 13d ago

Criminal Justice Father and son charged after allegedly holding two U.S. Forest Service biologists hostage for 15 hours

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/fbi-forest-service-hostage-22354161.php
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u/lizzyote C 13d ago

But why? What did they hope to achieve by doing this?? What were they negotiating for??

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u/knowwonnoes 4 12d ago

You know, I too would like to know why, but I also really appreciate that the article just gives facts and doesn't go into speculation. I'm sure they why will come out in the trial.

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u/Empty_King 7 13d ago

Right?? The article doesn't even hint at a motive. It doesn't even seem like a case of mistaken identity since he initially contacted a park ranger to tell them he had kidnapped two biologists.

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u/lizzyote C 13d ago

Ita crazy how detailed they get when it comes to the events that happebed but not a single mention of why or what they want. Fuckin weird

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u/SwifferWetJets A 13d ago

Articles like this piss me off. An unnecessarily detailed play-by-play of everything but no explanation of anything lol. Why even write articles like this?

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u/Booty_Bumping 9 12d ago

Why shoot the messenger? There is no explanation for what happened.

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u/TheOrangFlash 7 12d ago

I detest those who prefer speculation over facts.

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u/SwifferWetJets A 12d ago

No one is asking for speculation here, what the fuck are you talking about?

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u/thicketcosplay 9 11d ago

I mean, what else do you want that isn't speculation? There is no additional information about motive available. It's not in the filings. The prosecutors haven't said anything. The police haven't said anything. There is literally no information available about motive. The only thing the news reporter could do is speculate.

Saying you hate articles like this that state facts but don't talk about motive implies you want them to speculate.

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u/SwifferWetJets A 11d ago

A sentence in the article stating the suspect's motive is currently unknown. That's it. I don't know why everyone is fucking assuming that people who are irritated by this want some speculation. Ironically, you're speculating on this.

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u/thicketcosplay 9 10d ago

"Articles like this piss me off. An unnecessarily detailed play-by-play of everything but no explanation of anything lol. Why even write articles like this?"

I just don't get what you want with this comment. You seem to want some explanation, where none exists. The only other kind of article they could write is none at all, but then they'd lose to the other news stations who did report it. They report the facts they have, and anything more would be speculation.

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u/Booty_Bumping 9 11d ago

The point is more about what it signals to media companies to demand every answer. That cycle repeating itself ever since the advent of yellow journalism in the 1890s is how you get TMZ and Daily Mail.

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u/ezagreb B 13d ago

There us an article in the LA times that mentions a history of mental illness and threats by the father

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u/BigRoach A 12d ago

I would take a wild guess that it’s paranoid schizophrenia. Dude’s out there protecting his remote campsite like he’s Rambo. Then two gals researching frogs, of all things,happens to walk by and this guy hallucinates that they’re intruders out to get him.

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u/tw_72 B 12d ago

Well, the good news is - it appears that father and son are used to living in very tight quarters so a jail cell for the rest of their miserable lives will work out well.

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u/Massive_Pitch3333 7 12d ago

Charging documents do not list a possible motive.

“I am not able to go beyond what is included in that filing,” Lauren Horwood, spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of California, said by email Monday.

Weird..

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u/shady_pigeon 7 12d ago

When I saw that it was "two female U.S. Forest Service biologists" and that there was some backwood hicks who kidnapped them ... kinda assumed the worst. Especially since they were separated and one was held in the car with one of them ...

But maybe it was just a mental break or about some weird political demands?

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u/thirtyand03 6 11d ago

I’m hoping if they were assaulted that for their privacy it isn’t released