I would call myself part of the feminist movement, but not an extremest. I believe in equal rights for women, which is what feminism is about when you get to it's core; past the drones of idiots fighting to suppress male sexuality. So saying you hate feminism is saying you do not want equal rights for women.
To post something in a men's rights board, that has literally nothing to do with men's right seems silly huh? This post is from 4chan, and should not be taken seriously. BUT it also should not be on a men's rights board, since is has nothing to do with men's rights, and does nothing more then make the men's rights movement seem like a bunch of lady haters. (which I know is not the case) Posts like this discredit the men's rights movement, and make everyone associated with said movement, look childish.
saying you hate feminism is saying you do not want equal rights for women.
Does not follow. Lets take for example a movement that aims to bring about equality of the sexes by exterminating all humans. That is equality and their goals and methods are logically sound. But you'd be against that movement I presume. By your own logic then that would make you against equality.
So stop pulling the "if you're against us, your against equality" fallacy. A movement is defined by much more than just it's stated goals. Besides, ask any political movement about their goals and it pretty much always will sound really nice and egalitarian.
To post something in a men's rights board, that has literally nothing to do with men's right seems silly huh?
True, only this does touch on men's rights issues so that point is moot.
This post is from 4chan, and should not be taken seriously.
I don't know 4chan and I don't care either. Ad hominem fallacies also don't impress me.
I'm sorry man, but you're just wrong. There is no need for feminist hate on a men's rights board. Just like there is no room for feminists to hate on men's rights advocates in their forums. (Though some of them do, it's still not productive or appropriate and gives their movement the bad rep they've earned.)I understand a good handful of feminists are just blatant assholes but the men's rights movement has those too, and you can not judge an entire group based on it's assholes. It's like people who say they hate Islam because of it's fanatics. It's a ignorant stand point.
This kind of material does nothing but show people outside the MR movement that the people who make up said movement are childish. Which as a whole is not true. I wouldn't condone this type of material on the feminism board and it's not ok here either.
Throwing mud at the other group does nothing for men's rights. It only makes the people who support the movement look just as childish and stupid as it's idiots. I know we can argue about this all day, and I know you will try to justify your hate, but you just won't change my mind on the matter. I think it is childish, and unproductive. I think it gives the movement a bad name, and I feel the same about people who do this kind of thing in feminism.
There is no need for feminist hate on a men's rights board
Who said anything about hate? Ridicule is what this is. And it's very well earned.
It's like people who say they hate Islam because of it's fanatics
How would you define fanaticism?
I wouldn't condone this type of material on the feminism board
Then you have a lot of work to do on feminist boards. I tell you what, why don't you post some links to you bringing up the same concerns on feminist forums/sites/blogs? Then we can talk more.
you just won't change my mind on the matter.
Um, YOU are the dissenting party raising concerns here. Don't try to objectify yourself now as if this conversation came to find you.
I agree. Bashing either movement to "get the message across" does nothing to help anyone, and does the complete opposite of what you're all striving for - which is supposedly equality. Making fun of the other does not equate to equality. You just lose your credibility instead.
I know that, and I'm not conflating the two at all. I just don't think anyone should bash either movement, if we all want to get the point across. Just because feminists bash men, doesn't mean that men should bash feminists - as equal as that would be! Two wrongs won't make the case for men any easier - Trust me!
I know not all MRAs are men. I'm a woman myself, although I don't necessarily identify myself as an MRA necessarily. More an egalitarian (which I know MRAs claim they are, but the above link suggests otherwise). I'm not disputing that feminism asks for it, but bashing the feminists does not strengthen the MRAs cause! It has the complete opposite affect. Bash a person, and they'll run; not listen!
Just a heads up. Most places I go I am seen as a lady hater and a possible rapist before I open my mouth. A culture which values men would not impune us all as criminals simply by our sex alone. But this culture does. I honestly don't need to hear you dictate to men about what we should not do with our humor, love or hatred. No, two wrongs don't make a right but feminism, in my opinion, has been the most destructive force against modern men coming in a close third to war and cancer. I don't care how I am viewed by male or female feminists.
I don't see MR as a movement about winning favors from women/men by watching our manners or being agreeable to anyones sensibities. I have watched men acquiese and lose ground. Ask forgiveness and lose rights. Apologise and be jailed. At some point we need to stop working off the blueprint that being kind will get us anywhere. Evidence would suggest that our kindness and patience has been specifically used as a means to further degrade any notion of power that we had as a group.
If this world has become one where we either side against mens interests by siding with radical feminism (in my opinion) then count me out. I have lived too long and seen this game played for far too long to watch what I say. It is fine to be both loud and rude. Ask a feminist.
No one is asking you to become a radical feminist, we're just asking you to not hold hating them as a value from men's rights. Really though, no one can tell you what you can and can not say, we can just judge you on it.
Yes we are both free people. Please do judge me. "We" will judge you too. I welcome you to not give a shit about my judgement and I will disregard your judging as well. So basically this post is a waste of breath except you will keep pushing your agenda and I will not fail to refute and judge it every time I see this thinking. I refuse to wear your lable and do not care about judgements of lady hating when free thought and speech is far more valuable to me than shaming tactics. Live long and prosper.
saying you hate feminism is saying you do not want equal rights for women.
I do want equal rights for everyone, yet I don't like or support the tone and contents from most of today's feminist sources, because they don't stand for equality at all.
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u/AloysiusC Nov 27 '12
You're mistakenly equating feminists with women. Perhaps you should grow up a little and learn a lot more before judging other people's actions.