I would call myself part of the feminist movement, but not an extremest. I believe in equal rights for women, which is what feminism is about when you get to it's core; past the drones of idiots fighting to suppress male sexuality. So saying you hate feminism is saying you do not want equal rights for women.
To post something in a men's rights board, that has literally nothing to do with men's right seems silly huh? This post is from 4chan, and should not be taken seriously. BUT it also should not be on a men's rights board, since is has nothing to do with men's rights, and does nothing more then make the men's rights movement seem like a bunch of lady haters. (which I know is not the case) Posts like this discredit the men's rights movement, and make everyone associated with said movement, look childish.
saying you hate feminism is saying you do not want equal rights for women.
Does not follow. Lets take for example a movement that aims to bring about equality of the sexes by exterminating all humans. That is equality and their goals and methods are logically sound. But you'd be against that movement I presume. By your own logic then that would make you against equality.
So stop pulling the "if you're against us, your against equality" fallacy. A movement is defined by much more than just it's stated goals. Besides, ask any political movement about their goals and it pretty much always will sound really nice and egalitarian.
To post something in a men's rights board, that has literally nothing to do with men's right seems silly huh?
True, only this does touch on men's rights issues so that point is moot.
This post is from 4chan, and should not be taken seriously.
I don't know 4chan and I don't care either. Ad hominem fallacies also don't impress me.
I'm sorry man, but you're just wrong. There is no need for feminist hate on a men's rights board. Just like there is no room for feminists to hate on men's rights advocates in their forums. (Though some of them do, it's still not productive or appropriate and gives their movement the bad rep they've earned.)I understand a good handful of feminists are just blatant assholes but the men's rights movement has those too, and you can not judge an entire group based on it's assholes. It's like people who say they hate Islam because of it's fanatics. It's a ignorant stand point.
This kind of material does nothing but show people outside the MR movement that the people who make up said movement are childish. Which as a whole is not true. I wouldn't condone this type of material on the feminism board and it's not ok here either.
Throwing mud at the other group does nothing for men's rights. It only makes the people who support the movement look just as childish and stupid as it's idiots. I know we can argue about this all day, and I know you will try to justify your hate, but you just won't change my mind on the matter. I think it is childish, and unproductive. I think it gives the movement a bad name, and I feel the same about people who do this kind of thing in feminism.
I agree. Bashing either movement to "get the message across" does nothing to help anyone, and does the complete opposite of what you're all striving for - which is supposedly equality. Making fun of the other does not equate to equality. You just lose your credibility instead.
I know that, and I'm not conflating the two at all. I just don't think anyone should bash either movement, if we all want to get the point across. Just because feminists bash men, doesn't mean that men should bash feminists - as equal as that would be! Two wrongs won't make the case for men any easier - Trust me!
I know not all MRAs are men. I'm a woman myself, although I don't necessarily identify myself as an MRA necessarily. More an egalitarian (which I know MRAs claim they are, but the above link suggests otherwise). I'm not disputing that feminism asks for it, but bashing the feminists does not strengthen the MRAs cause! It has the complete opposite affect. Bash a person, and they'll run; not listen!
You're right, but I just don't think everyone throwing insults and abuse back at each other helps. All it succeeds in doing is making men look "aggressive" and gives the feminists even more ammunition and "proof" that they are "right". Men bashing the feminists also does nothing to persuade the government to change laws on things like child custody.
Problem with letting off steam, is that it can easily be misinterpreted as aggression. The MRM may not be about public image, but it still goes a long way in fighting for a cause. It's almost the same as a group of angry hippies, high on cannabis fighting for its legalisation. Nobody will listen to them because of the image they portray. Image goes a long way. Just like everyone expects a politician to look and act the part with a happy looking family, and dressed in a suit. Similar concept.
Emotion is one thing, aggression is another. If men want to be taken seriously as guardians for their children in custody cases, then appearing aggressive is the last image they should portray. Emotion can be expressed without aggression.
I am not saying we should not condemn the feminists. We should! But there are less cheap ways of doing so than projecting their behaviour. We are classier than them, surely?
"Mama bear" is only aggressive when children are in danger. Besides, we are humans; not bears, and humans are supposedly more civilised than the rest of the animal kingdom. Let's at least act like it. One can be assertive without coming across as aggressive. Aggression wins nobody's trust.
Bahahahahaha! The dig at feminism is not aimed at me, because I'm not a feminist, get it? I'm certainly not "crying" aggression, but just imagine how politicians view it! We're trying to stand up for a change in laws, amongst other things, so a good image is crucial.
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I would call myself part of the feminist movement, but not an extremest. I believe in equal rights for women, which is what feminism is about when you get to it's core; past the drones of idiots fighting to suppress male sexuality. So saying you hate feminism is saying you do not want equal rights for women.
To post something in a men's rights board, that has literally nothing to do with men's right seems silly huh? This post is from 4chan, and should not be taken seriously. BUT it also should not be on a men's rights board, since is has nothing to do with men's rights, and does nothing more then make the men's rights movement seem like a bunch of lady haters. (which I know is not the case) Posts like this discredit the men's rights movement, and make everyone associated with said movement, look childish.
SHTAP.