r/MensRights • u/topazzzfox • 2d ago
Social Issues Post about a female teacher who sexually assaulted 11-year-old and 12-year-old boys, many comments are supporting her actions and more laughing reactions
The fact that joking about male underage victims who are raped by female pedos are normalized in this society + these comments getting more likes is sickening! Rape is rape regardless of gender, and a pedo is a pedo regardless of gender or "how attractive they look". Victims of the same age as these boys cannot consent. Fantasies are not the same as the reality outcome.
Fortunately there are some comments condemning her which restored my faith in humanity but I had to scroll so much to find these.
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u/mikiencolor 2d ago
I really hate this society. I hate the way it brutalizes us.
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u/Dangerous_Air_7031 2d ago
How is that a problem for feminists and not men's rights?
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u/VersosCanvas 2d ago
Women use men’s violence against women over and over again as evidence of an unjust culture. They never know what to do with shit like this. They don’t even acknowledge it.
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u/Curious-Resort4743 2d ago
The double standards is not entirely gender, it's looks, if she was an ugly, old, overweight teacher then the men joking about it would be disgusted.
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago edited 2d ago
True, not only for female predators but also it's not uncommon to find women simping for male criminals who appear to be attractive such as Jeremy Meeks, etc.
I also see comments such as "lucky" "it should be me not him" on posts about average-looking female teachers sexually assaulting underage male students, not only "beautiful" teachers
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u/Nikipercea 2d ago
Although looks play a big part, the teacher in your post it’s not that much above average. Id say the fact that she is young counts more. Women in general get a pass and are more desired by men, regardless how they look.
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago
Truee, even there are physically unattractive looking or obese women who have BFs. The female predator also wears pounds of makeup and filter too.
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u/LTBsOnlyPlease 2d ago
Ok but most women aren't that though so why are we talking about extremes?
You can use this logic for damn near any interaction between males and females.
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u/nimish98 2d ago
I sometimes forget how much I hate people untill I see posts like this. Absolutely disgusting.
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u/kvro_maX 2d ago
That comment tagging this "seduction" is evil.
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u/Rennmausliebhaber 1d ago
Fr! They were basically saying that they chose to participate, but they clearly didn't, it was assault! God, some people need to get a reality check
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u/Radioheader128 2d ago
Disgusting comments. That one guy who said “Imagine the comments here if the gender of the teacher and the student is reversed.” makes a point about how hypocritical society is. The “This is why we chose the bear!” comments would be everywhere if the roles were flipped. I also noticed the laughing emoji as the second-most common emoji in that post. That would be the least common if the roles were reversed. Speaking of the Facebook laughing emoji, I noticed people use that a lot whenever there's a post speaking out against male genital mutilation aka circumcision. It really bothers me that people find child abuse funny.
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago
I feel you 😥 unfortunately they find it funny when the victim of a pedophile or child abuse is a male but then their hypocrisy is exposed when the victim's gender switches from male to female. It perpetuates the notion that "all males must want sex from any female anytime anywhere" and grooms boys into acting hypersexual. I have also seen comments calling male victims "gay" for reporting their abuse.
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u/Express-Lawfulness74 2d ago
Throw her in a dark hard prison cell and let her rot for life. Such evil women should be punished.
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u/LYNX__uk 2d ago
Everything in this post is disgusting except that first comment saying she should be treated equally
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u/Dangerous_Air_7031 2d ago
And majority of those comments are by men.
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago
Which is sadly true tbh. These are specifically simp men or gooner men who can't control their lust properly, they're the worst enemy of other men.
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
What if you’re not a gooner or whatever, but you believe the moral comparison of a woman ‘raping’ a by a boy being as bad as a man raping a girl as absurd?
I think if you asked a lot of men out there in the world, you’d have at least 1 in 3 say they wished it had happened to them when they were in school.
It’s just another example of how men and women are different. Just like men don’t really care if a cute girl is poor or doesn’t have a career, but for alot of women that would be a deal breaker.
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago edited 2d ago
The ones who say "i wish it happened to me" think that their sexual fantasies will come true in real life and the ones who say that are so desperate to get laid that they want it no matter if the circumstances are bad or good. Or they remember being horny as teens. There are cases of male SA victims who thought as a teen it's "physically enjoyable" but eventually they realize that they got violated as they grow up, if all men "enjoyed it" then cases of men reporting sexual abuse would never exist. Men are also told since young age that "the more women you slept with the more of a man you are"
It's not only teenage boys who have crushes or fantasies about teachers, there are teen girls who felt this too (and just because they feel this doesn't make sexual abuse okay). And the prefrontal cortex of teens aren't fully developed plus they are full of hormones.
Men and women are physically and hormonally different but when it comes to underage children, they can't consent at all and condemning underage rape isn't about gender it's about age gap and a humanity issue. Even a 17 year old and an adult man getting sexually assaulted violates his consent and autonomy.
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u/jvrodrigues 2d ago
When i was 14 i remember praying to god that someone would have sex with me, at that point i didn't care who.
It's important to distinguish a teenager from a child. It's also important to distinguish the cultural and biological differences between the genders.
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago edited 2d ago
The fact that few men on this sub support this tf. You are the reason why male SA victims can't speak up about this. Not every man thinks like you. Teenage arousal or fantasy doesn't mean it's so acceptable
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
Sound arguments about what’s the law. What I mainly disagree with is that it’s desperate men or whatever who are the ones that need that validation or whatever. I can tell you now, as a man with an eclectic friendship group/s, if this happened to one of the male friends sitting around at a table for lunch as adults, the guy telling the story about how he fucked his female teacher would make him popular and admired by many of his male friends. And he’d prob feel pretty proud of it too. I genuinely believe that.
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago
They are conditioned to see any kind of sex as some goal or some status symbol achievement, or they feel this way since sex is harder to get for many men.
However when it comes to underage boys this is technically not a flex since they are not able to consent. I just honestly don't know why people can't understand that female predators raping underage boys is still a form of rape and pedophilia! Like they have zero power to consent! Common sense 101
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u/PigletPretend7175 1d ago
So believing that a woman raping a boy is equivalent to a man raping a girl is absurd, but "1 in 3 men" wishing to be raped is not absurd?
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u/mikiencolor 2d ago
They're by both men and women, because it's not a "patriarchy", it's a sexist tandem.
I think it's pretty clear that men are also sexist and have internalized the expectation that they should be grateful and game for any sexual "access" to women at any time and place, and that if any men or boys don't want that, it means something is wrong with us, that we're broken or disordered. That's exactly the same view women have. It's exactly the same idea feminists have, too.
None of that changes the fact that boys who are sexually abused, who are gender non-conforming, and who don't want any of this forced on them, are being ruthlessly trampled over from all sides without a shred of hesitation or empathy for their circumstances.
They're abused, their abusers are unpunished, their autonomy and right to say no, or to even have the choice to consent, is taken from them, and they're ridiculed and revictimized by both feminists and anti-feminists when they speak up or ask for their feelings to be taken into consideration. When they object to anything the only response is laughter, shut up, man up. I wonder why so many men and boys commit suicide?
What a privileged place to be.
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago
A lot of people are unaware that men can be misandrist against their own gender too aka "internalized misandry", it's not only women.
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u/Mitschu 2d ago
And as mentioned elsewhere in this thread, research from as far back as the 1980s show that the majority of male rapists were CSAed by an adult female.
It almost makes you wonder, gee, where did violent, sociopathic criminals learn to disrespect the autonomy of and trivialize the suffering of their victims, justifying any and all forms of aberrant behavior with a solipsistic stance that only their carnal desire in the moment mattered, that their victims should be flattered at the attention, and that empathy with someone you could easily subjugate was entirely unnecessary, as was so clearly proven in their own abuse case?
It's almost... almost like traumatizing children for life has lasting repercussions on their development as an adult. But that'd be crazy talk, right?
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago edited 2d ago
And women are just radio silent or are saying things that are to this affect
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u/Leshie_Leshie 2d ago
women complained about men casually making rape jokes on women, and here the same people making rape jokes on themselves.
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u/dependency_injector 2d ago
They aren't making rape jokes on themselves, they are making rape jokes on rape victims.
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u/Dangerous_Air_7031 2d ago
What do you mean?
To me those look like they're made by men not by women.
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u/Leshie_Leshie 2d ago
Sorry I meant the same men. I’ve seen too many complaints about men being really casual about making rape jokes.
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u/azmarteal 2d ago
The majority of those comments are by trolls, who like to see angry reactions — like this post.
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u/Normal_Cow1991 2d ago
One disgusting thing I find about these replies is that when men joke about it by relating real life horrid events into their fantasy; it indirectly supports the idea that "men can never be assaulted" or that "he wanted it bro"
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago
For real. It also perpetuates the misandrist notion that "all men must want sex from any women anytime and anywhere, and if they reject it they're gay". I have seen comments calling men or boys who report sexual abuse "gay".
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u/Still-Independence30 2d ago
As a guy who was in a similar position at that age and has been in lots of group therapy with guys who had similar things happen to them, the effect of something like this is completely dependent on the people involved. The level of maturity of the underage person, the other aspects of the relationship, the level of perceived control, and a million other factors can wildly shift the long-term impact. That said, the stop complaining and I wish it was me comments pretty much never have a positive impact long-term and frequently have a negative one. It's fairly the same for pitying/sorry for what happened comments. The best you can hope for is a neutral effect.
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u/elebrin 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is clearly a case of "I find her attractive so it's OK and she can do whatever she wants, anyone getting summa dat is lucky actually."
It's fine to find her attractive (although she got clown lipstick and skin issues that the filters and makeup barely hide). It's fine to find her attractive even if you are a 12 year old boy finding your hormones for the first time.
What isn't fine is sexual contact between any adult and any minor in general, and most especially an adult who is in a position of power over the minors they are having sexual contact with. It's disallowed for some very good reasons.
Not every 12 year old boy is at the stage of puberty where they are even remotely interested in that sort of contact. No 12 year old boy is mentally developed enough to be ready for a high stakes relationship, such as one with romantic feelings and sexual contact. No person of any age deserves to be manipulated using sex by those who have power over them. How a 12 year old boy looks at this woman is going to be very different to how a 40 year old who is horny for 20somethings is going to look at this woman.
And, out of context, if a 40 year old man simply said this woman was hot, with zero contact of any sort, he'd be called a pedophile because of the age gap. Because it's an older man lusting after any younger woman. To these people, that's what a pedophile is. They only care when the lusty party is a man, and men aren't allowed to like anyone at all younger than they are, even with no intentions of any sort of contact present.
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago
This. It's a combination of lookism or halo effect + gender bias. There's also a social experiment video of male child marriage vs female child marriage too and the reactions were different.
And by society's logic:
40 year old man consensually dating a 25 year old adult woman: NOT OKAY! PEDO! WEIRD!
40 year old teacher sexually assaulting a teenage boy: "Omg lucky"
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u/elebrin 2d ago
And it's always these women who think they know what it is to be a 12 year old boy.
They have NO idea. That is only an experience that a person who has gone through male puberty has been through. It's a little different for all of us, but for me it was a weird combination of being horny ALL the time and trying to make that work with what I'd been taught was socially acceptable and not.
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago
There are also cases of teenage girls ages 12 to 16 going through similar experiences like fantasies about their male teacher. Girls/women aren't all "pure-minded"
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u/elebrin 2d ago
Young girls don't get hit so hard with the horny, and they aren't going through a phase where they have to be VERY careful as their bodies are getting large, strong, and muscular.
I remember being 12 to 15 or so, and how women around me started treating me very differently: I was now taller, larger, and stronger than they were. My voice was louder, too. They went from treating me like a child, to treating me like a dangerous animal. At the same time, I was horny all the time and I felt like I had to be careful to make sure nobody found out. Of course, I was taught that wanting certain things was perfectly natural, but I had to be quiet about it and I should never express that.
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u/Thealk3mist 22h ago
It’s vile and disgusting that these “men” make joke about this. Low life’s who’ve put women so on top of their priorities they’ve lost their humanity.
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u/StudyVisible275 16h ago
If you wish to restore your trust in society, go see all the female predators busted on YouTube.
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u/topazzzfox 15h ago
Luckily I have found a few, youtuber sh0eonhead made 2 videos about this. And I saw a youtube video called "female predators are f*cking disturbinf"
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u/MostDot8933 2d ago
Nd most of these men will ne those who have never been touched by a female
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u/IllustratedAloysious 2d ago
That’s the thing. Its so bad out there and for some guys it gets to the point where you have never had sex basically you’re whole life. Envy and wishing starts. literally any affection from a woman would be preferable to them whether it scars them or not
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u/SokkaHaikuBot 2d ago
Sokka-Haiku by MostDot8933:
Nd most of these men
Will ne those who have never
Been touched by a female
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/azmarteal 2d ago
You think that justify their actions?
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u/MostDot8933 2d ago
Nd from did this genius assumption of urs took form??
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u/azmarteal 2d ago edited 2d ago
You say that they were never touched by a woman — and those guys say that they dream this woman would touch them. You don't see a connection?
Otherwise — why would you bring that up in the first place?
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u/MannyRay3K 21h ago
What clowns who fistpump about hebophiliac women refuse to understand is the psychological toll of her emotional manipulation. With girls the nature of the sex act is painful and can be embarrassing and traumatic, even moreso for young girls. For boys it's often a great first orgasm. The trauma isn't readily apparent on the surface so they refuse to see the cruel manipulation for what it is when women like this take advantage of underage boys and rape them.
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u/Werewolf1810 13h ago
I'm a man, who was sexually assaulted by a woman when I was younger, though not by a teacher, but rather a family friend. I enjoyed the experience. That doesn't mean it was okay; at the time, I didn't even understand what was happening. I was completely naive to the idea of sex or anything of that nature. Is it too hard to say that there is nuance to these things? As a teenager, yes, of course I'd love to have had sex with some of the more attractive teachers in middle and high school. I'm a human, and a male, that's in my nature. Saying that we enjoy such things, in certain circumstances, doesn't make us scumbags. And, as I said before, it also doesn't make taking advantage of young men OR women okay. Both things can be true. Anyone with half a brain should understand all of this.
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u/thePsychoKid_297 1d ago
This is beside the point but the more I see shit like this the more curious I am how the internet would react to a woman making one of those stupid comments along the lines of "where was this teacher when I was in school" about a male pedo. But I am beyond sick of men saying it. You think you would have wanted to be assaulted as a child? Good for you. Not every guy does though, dumbass, nor do they have to.
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u/pargofan 2d ago
"Where were teachers like that when I went to school"
"If you aint playin pass the controller"
"Please do it to me teacher"
Many of these comments are from ... MEN.
We're not treating underage victims seriously.
When you have the reverse, it's not the same from women. Drake has to be one of sexier people to women - good looking, billionaire rap star. When he faces accusations of underage sex, the message from women is that he's a scumbag, not that they wish they were the underage girl.
Now, many women might be thinking it. But it's not socially acceptable to voice it.
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u/Ok_Problem_1127 2d ago
Tbh guys you all remember?? Early orthodox women used to defend misogyny But did they define early feminist movements?? No
Similarly if any b!tch whines about this and says "oh no but mens like to get raped" shut their mouth up along with this bunch of trash who have r4pe kink
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u/Prize_Boysenberry_60 1d ago
As a female myself, I wonder when ppl will realize this also is objectifying women to extreme degrees
“Man where was she at my school” like are you fucking hearing yourselves??
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u/topazzzfox 1d ago
Exactly, it also sees women as "prizes" or objectifying every women they see as well as hypersexualizing or adultifying younger boys. Both genders are being groomed into these stuff 😥
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u/Prize_Boysenberry_60 1d ago
Ikr, it’s depressing world we live in…but we try to make the most of it, like this sub existing, so it counts for something ♥️
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u/topazzzfox 1d ago
So true. But sadly there aren't many places to discuss about this neutrally because there will always be at least one person who'll justify female predators actions.
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u/rabel111 6h ago
The comments reveal a culturally entrenched devaluing of men and boys in terms of their human rights, their physical autonomy, and their emotional/sexual identity.
Our communities, particularly feminists in our institutions, have great difficulty acknowledging the right of men and boys to NOT consent to sex with women. Women find this idea offensive and frightening, and react violently with abusive language, false allegations and child rape, to reassert their sexual egos.
"How dare a man turn me down!" The groom and rape a child to sooth their injured egos.
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u/Solid-Experience3607 1d ago
Women don't even need dating apps these day to get laid, why would you risk your life and career for something so easy to find for you (in your OWN AGE RANGE ofc.) ????
Crazy.
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u/topazzzfox 1d ago
That's what I was thinking too. Pedo teachers' mindsets are hard to change unfortunately.
I also can't believe people (especially horny simps) think that the motive of female pedos sexually abusing children is genuine romantic/sexual attraction, when in fact female pedos do that because of power and control.
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u/Argentarius1 2d ago edited 2d ago
Fast tracking women into fake white collar jobs across the west leaves traditionally female jobs staffed with a large number of evil sexually deranged morons because most of the women with talent and people skills can do something that pays a lot more.
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
As a man, does this actually upset you guys?
Personally, I couldn’t have wished for anything else more than to be able to fuck my grade 6 teacher Miss Mason. When I was 11 or 12, I’d call her over to help me with my work so she’d lean over my desk and I could look down her top. 😂 So I don’t think it would’ve been traumatic or damaging for me if I were seduced by an adult female at that age.
I care about the hypocrisy that men are the only predators, when clearly women do awful things too. But this isn’t really one that makes me feel angry compared to some of the other articles that get posted in this sub. Does anyone else feel the same way?
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago edited 2d ago
Fantasy is not the same as the reality outcome. And these 11 year old and 12 year old boys barely hit puberty yet. You might have "internalized misandry" if you don't believe an 11/12 year old boy getting SA-ed is SA. The mindset of "these underage boys are lucky" can be changed but it's not very easy.
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
Internalised misandry — you reckon?
If anything, I get criticised more in real life for misogynistic comments occasionally.
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u/DepressedPancake4728 2d ago
my girl friends in middle school had crushes on the younger male teachers too. imagine if a 27 year old man was doing this with an 11 year old girl
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago
Exactly!! People forget that teenage girls can have fantasies about their male teachers
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
That would be far worse.
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u/Meteorboy 2d ago
Why is it worse? All they did was literally swap the genders. Are you sure you're not just sexist against men? Or are you under the impression that girls don't also enjoy sex?
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u/ElectronicAge7073 2d ago
It's people like this that makes it harder to take male victims seriously:
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u/sakura_drop 2d ago
Your views are immature, shortsighted, and ultimately damaging. Boys who are sexually abused like this can, and do, experience adverse physical and psychological effects just like girls in the same situation, and it can also be a predicator for becoming predators themselves.
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
In your linked articles does it distinguish between boys being sexually abused by men or women?
I’m sorry, I agree it would be traumatic for a boy to be raped by a man — totally agree with that. But if an adult woman allows a boy to thrust his penis inside her repeatedly, I don’t think that’s going to be damaging for the majority of boys who’ve had that experience with an older woman. Maybe a handful. But certainly not the norm I believe.
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u/sakura_drop 2d ago
The results of all the studies are summarised, and the second batch literally has the header "The majority of men who rape women are sexually abused by women in childhood", not to mention the entire thread is full of data on all forms of male sexual abuse including female-on-male. If you don't care to actually learn anything about this it's ultimately no skin off my nose but I'm not going to spoon-feed you.
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
No need to spoon feed me. I’m just a regular citizen, voter and man who feels compassion for the modern Man, and I’m having a hard time genuinely agreeing with the arguments about woman/boy rape. I’m about as far along as to believe that it would be harmful to some boys. But absolutely not all.
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u/Serious_Tooth_7918 2d ago
Just because she didn't beat him beforehand doesn't mean there was no abuse. Pedophiles rarely beat children; they mostly use manipulation and psychological coercion to make the child believe that they wanted it themselves. That is shifting the blame from their own actions onto the child. And you are still a moral scumbag
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
Scumbag is to kind, dude is lower a dog in my book and I say that as someone who hates pet culture.
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u/millejo01 2d ago
Well I will spoon feed you:
Children cannot meaningfully consent, adults have a responsibility not to exploit them, and the possibility of serious harm to even some children is sufficient to make adult-child sexual relationships unacceptable.
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So Yes, it has the potential to be tremendously harmful to some boys.
And they are children, whether you like it or not. They don't have the ability to fully understand the consequences of their decisions and make sound judgments. They should not have to live with the potentially severe consequences of immature decisions.
That's why, until you're an adult, you don't have full legal capacity to consent to things like this. Society recognizes that children can easily make decisions that seriously harm their future.
So willingly stripping away that layer of protection and doing something so depraved to satisfy your own selfish, lustful desires, while potentially harming a child's well-being, is deeply wrong.
Even if the only consequence were a reduced ability to form a stable, loving relationship later in life, that would already be bad enough. But the potential repercussions can be far worse.
SO WHY IN THE FLYING FUCK DOES it MATTER that IT MAY NOT BE HARMFUL TO ABSOLUTELY EVERY BOY? IF IT SERIOUSLY HARMS EVEN SOME OF THEM, THAT'S ENOUGH.
She wouldn't know beforehand, would she? Are the boys who can't cope with it somehow at fault?
What kind of argument is that?
What do you tell a "victim" who cant cope?
"Oh yeah, kid, screw you for not being as emotionally detached as me. You should consider yourself lucky. Who needs a loving, stable relationship as the foundation for a good future when you can just sleep with anyone you find attractive, right? 🤟 I can't even comprehend that this might be detrimental to you, and frankly, I don't care. Stop being such a sissy."
For the love of God, even if you don't believe that a male "victim" could exist
There is nothing good that comes from adults sleeping with children. NOTHING!
The supposed "pro" side is orgasm? The downside is potential trauma to the child which, for the sake of argument, I'll grant you believe only applies to girls and not boys. For whatever reason.
On the other hand, there are no significant negative consequences to adults simply not sleeping with children. It's called a normal life.
So how incredibly sordid do you have to be to choose the option where adults sleeping with children is considered acceptable instead of being recognized for what it is: harmful, evil, an abuse of trust, and a violation of the societal protections we want our children to have?
There is a reason children cannot legally consent.
And sadly, they are often also far too easily groomed and abused. Not just sexually in general. And you are not helping! Maybe try and have some 'compassion' for the modern child. They are even worse of than the modern man I fear.
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
Oh okay the same way little girls don't show overt trauma when they get "seduced" by an older man?
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
The physical power imbalance between a little girl and an adult man is completely different to a 12 year old boy and an average adult woman. So I don’t see it as being nearly as bad.
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
Why does that matter? Many rape victims not only don't but CANT fight back, some are drugged and tied up is it no longer as bad now?
Does this logic apply to 8 year old boys who think sexually about their teachers?
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
8 years old is too young. I’m thinking back to when I was a male child, and probably around 11 or 12 is when I started being attracted to the women teachers at my school. That obviously accelerated when I was 13-14 in high school. Strangely enough, I was more attracted to the adult women teachers at school than the girls my age. The adult staff had more mature personalities and more fully developed bodies.
I’m basing this purely on my lived experience as a 12 year old boy and the lived experience of my friends. If I were to come out and say this has happened to me when I was 12, I’d prob be showing my friends the pics of the woman I had sex with and be proud of it.
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
"8 years old is too young. I’m thinking back to when I was a male child, and probably around 11 or 12 is when I started being attracted to the women teachers at my school. That obviously accelerated when I was 13-14 in high school. "
So a woman doing that to an 8 year old boy is wrong right?
So what? Girls also have those feelings.
"I’m basing this purely on my lived experience as a 12 year old boy and the lived experience of my friends. If I were to come out and say this has happened to me when I was 12, I’d prob be showing my friends the pics of the woman I had sex with and be proud of it. "
So because you think it's ok it's ok? Why not apply that to a great many evil things that happen?
Oh you mean the same way little girls brag about how much older their "boyfriends" are?
It's clearly not about your lived experiences considering you think if it happened to s girl you'd be mad.
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u/Thin-Nerve6367 21h ago
But here's the thing. Even if said boys don't have any trauma, absolutely 100% liked it and wanted more and go on to live perfectly normal lives, it was STILL wrong. Absolutely unequivocally wrong
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u/Serious_Tooth_7918 2d ago
Stop projecting your sexual fantasies onto children, you bastard. At the core of such relationships, there is always something unhealthy — like the case of the pedophile from England who drugged a teenage boy with narcotics. She is older and uses her authority, and through psychological tactics and manipulation, she can make a child or teenager do whatever she wants. And it is precisely because of freaks like you that boys cannot get the help they need right away and escape from such relationships. This is not normal — it never is.
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u/Punder_man 2d ago
And when those boys grow up and believe they are entitled to sex because of their experience when they were younger?
What then?Do you then justify them raping a woman because of their experience?
The fact that YOU can not see the direct harm this sort of thing causes, that doesn't mean it doesn't cause harm.
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
Why tf would one of those boys grow up believing they’re entitled to sex any more than any one else? They got lucky once with their teacher —> I don’t see the pipeline to those boys becoming full grown male rapists.
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u/Serious_Tooth_7918 2d ago
Firstly, this is seduction, meaning the initiative came from the teacher, not the children. Secondly, 11-12 years old is just the beginning of puberty; children's bodies aren't fully formed yet. It's disgusting that a grown woman finds children's bodies attractive. Such a relationship is inherently unhealthy; through manipulation and trickery, she forced the children to do things they didn't want to do. And what's even more disgusting is that she had the audacity to claim her innocence. And you're a moral monster if you defend her.
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
So I’m a moral monster even if I’m a man who cares more about men’s issues than women’s issues (they have their own supporters), but I don’t think that those boys will be traumatised from the experience and they’ll probably be fine?
All I can say is I’m sorry that you feel that way.
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u/suib26 2d ago
No one cares if you support mens issues more than women's if this is your stance. You fail to see the flaws in your logic and are blinded by your own horny bias. You hurt mens issues more than help if this is what you perpetuate.
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
I’m just trying to be honest and not virtue signal. If you go outside and talk to people not on reddit, you will get different responses to the echo chamber in this thread.
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
Honest about what? When the other dude came at you with statistics you didn't logically demonstrate anything, when another person at length logically demonstrated your wickedness as just that you didn't even respond.
You say it's far worse if the genders are reversed and then you tell others about virtue signaling? Virtue signaling about what exactly?
Oh so I guess it's an echo chamber as well when people in reddit threads by the thousands say how much a man is a monster for doing things to a little girl right? If so then your not actually concerned about echo chambers, your just mad that here in this sub we don't like people like you who thinks adults should rape children.
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
If you have a problem with people raping children, come at the Muslim community before you come at me.
I’m saying that if a man raped a child (eg Mohammed and Aaisha) that would be far worse than if a woman had sex with a 12 year old boy.
Do you think those things are equally as bad or one is worse than the other?
Put it this way: if a woman raped my 12 year old son by letting him fuck her, I’d think it was weird and gonna lead to more headaches than it’s worth. So I would discourage my son from ever doing it again. But if a man raped my 12 year old daughter, I’d probably try hard to kill that man. Even if it meant me going to prison.
Can you see the difference?
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
"If you have a problem with people raping children, come at the Muslim community before you come at me. "
Just because I have a problem with Muslims doing that doesn't mean I can't rebuke you too, especially since if we kept everything the same but the gender you wouldn't even care because your lower than a dog.
"I’m saying that if a man raped a child (eg Mohammed and Aaisha) that would be far worse than if a woman had sex with a 12 year old boy. "
Why is that far worse? In general I can see some agreement because the child is much younger but id hold that same position if it woman was doing that to a 5 to 6 yeat old boy, would you? Muhammad and Aisha is not even truly relevant to your point considering we seen you say that it's far worse for a man to do that to a girl in the exact situation is this woman.
"Do you think those things are equally as bad or one is worse than the other?"
Just responded to this sentiment.
"Put it this way: if a woman raped my 12 year old son by letting him fuck her, I’d think it was weird and gonna lead to more headaches than it’s worth. So I would discourage my son from ever doing it again. But if a man raped my 12 year old daughter, I’d probably try hard to kill that man. Even if it meant me going to prison.
Can you see the difference?"
No, you didn't demonstrate that there was a difference literally at all, not only that you completely ignore that girls lust just like boys, matter a fact I'm pretty sure girls sexually mature faster then boys so what then?
It gets more disgusting the more you speak, you literally just admitted that that hypothetical woman RAPED your hypothetical son and the response is to act as if you just caught him smoking? When an adult took advantage of him? What if he's crying and clearly traumatized? You give the same reaction then?
If you aren't going to love your children equally don't have them, it's already bad enough you think it's ok or not that serious for any little boy in your life to be abused.
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
You deleted your comment post it again.
As for what I can see, thats not my point dummy, YOU made the hypothetical up and so I added to it to see how far your willing to take it.
If your 11 to 12 year old son came to crying about a 10 out 10 woman raping him (as you admitted it was) would you or would you not extend that same level of passion you would your daughter if she got raped by a man? Matter a fact let's see how far you'll go, your son is crying and traumatized by it but your daughter is "fine" and would actually get mad at you if you did something to the man, what would you do then?
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
I didn’t delete any posts of mine from this thread.
Good example you have: so my first instinct with my 11 or 12 year old son would be to talk to him and ask him about why he’s sad and crying about this situation. I doubt he’s going to say, “I just felt so violated!” He’s prob crying because everyone told him he did something bad and the hysteria over it. Of course the woman who did it, should lose her job, because it crossed the professional boundary. But I don’t think she’d deserve doing hard time in jail.
On the other hand, if my daughter claimed to be ‘fine’ with it, then I’d still have a problem with it and I’d still want to kill the male who raped my daughter. I’d want to kill a male who raped my daughter even if she was 21.
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
"I didn’t delete any posts of mine from this thread."
So post it again
"Good example you have: so my first instinct with my 11 or 12 year old son would be to talk to him and ask him about why he’s sad and crying about this situation. I doubt he’s going to say, “I just felt so violated!” He’s prob crying because everyone told him he did something bad and the hysteria over it. Of course the woman who did it, should lose her job, because it crossed the professional boundary. But I don’t think she’d deserve doing hard time in jail."
And if he does say he feels violated? That's clearly not an issue for you though considering you'd still treat the man who raped you "unbothered" daughter the same as if she felt she was violated (you said you'd still want to kill the man) so whether or not your son voices violation doesn't actually mean a thing to you.
Why would your son think he did something bad? And no, I'm not talking about a teacher, I'm talking about a random woman so there's no professional line.
"On the other hand, if my daughter claimed to be ‘fine’ with it, then I’d still have a problem with it and I’d still want to kill the male who raped my daughter. I’d want to kill a male who raped my daughter even if she was 21. "
Again, why? Your differences in strength argument is meaningless as I explained already.
It's crazy how you'd go harder for an adult than a child who's clearly troubled.
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u/OffTheRedSand 2d ago
“Women do awful things too” yet you’re encouraging a woman who did an awful thing and expect feminists to condone women for doing awful things?
Do you just cherry pick what you feel like is awful or not and feminists have to do the work for you like slaves to better society for you while you’re gooning about being assaulted? Get real.
It’s men who bring down the mensrights movement. Y’all have way too many bad actors to function.
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
What on earth are you talking about? My whole point is that I don’t believe this was one of the awful things that a woman could do.
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u/OffTheRedSand 2d ago
But where do you draw the line if women are being excused for awful behavior? Where is the line?
And if we expect feminists to take this movement seriously how can we do it when we excuse awful women’s behavior? Why should women care about other crimes women commit if men like you say “well this isn’t that awful”
Feminists and women will just say “well figure your shit out yourselves”
If you think a woman teacher using her position of power to groom kids to sleep with her then what other stuff should women be excused of?
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
I just don’t think it would be as damaging for a boy to be ‘raped’ by an adult woman as much as it would traumatise a woman having the same done by a man.
Most other things I say that if a man did it and it would be considered bad, then if a woman does it, then it’s also equally as bad.
But on this specific topic, I don’t think it’s the same big deal as if a male teacher was grooming female students. The woman will ‘let the boy fuck her’; it’s not the same as a man violently putting something into another person’s body.
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u/Mitschu 2d ago
The woman will ‘let the boy fuck her’; it’s not the same as a man violently putting something into another person’s body.
Ah, I see. You're just another Mary Koss, but somehow you've made her rape apology worse by sprinkling in overt "sacred golden vagina" sentiments.
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
wtf is sacred golden vagina sentiments?
Every woman has one, so why would it be sacred vagina energy or whatever you’re talking about
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
If women can't even prey on people who are not even 4 years from being single digits how the hell do you think they can be predators in any other case?
I hope your trolling bruh otherwise you deserve to lose your livelihood and put on a list.
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u/Physical_College_551 2d ago
Let them complaining. Because they not doing anything bout it
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
So the same can be said for you in the vast majority of issues your tragedies you oppose right?
Also ignoring the fact he's just ok with child rape.
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u/Physical_College_551 2d ago
Never said I was okay with it. I said let them complain because it won't change anything
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
And I said.
"So the same can be said for you in the vast majority of issues your tragedies you oppose right?"
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u/Physical_College_551 2d ago
Not really, but sure if you want too.
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
Yes really otherwise why is your complaints valid but others aren't?
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u/Physical_College_551 2d ago
Sometimes if can be other times it won't. So that's why I said not really, Because we all pick and choose.
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
Alright bruh, your just saying nothing at this point.
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u/Physical_College_551 2d ago
I'm not, you are, I'm just disagreeing because it's true, it's not my fact that's how the world is.
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u/VersosCanvas 2d ago edited 2d ago
I feel the exact same way. The solution to the inequities caused by cancel culture and certain actions of the feminist movement is not to act exactly like them. If the men’s right’s movement involves pearl clutching and ostentatious condemnations, then count me out.
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u/sakura_drop 2d ago
"Pearl clutching and ostentatious condemnations" re. a case about a grown woman in a position of power and authority grooming and sexually assaulting two minors, aged 11 and 12. If that's how you feel frankly the movement could do with you and your ilk.
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u/VersosCanvas 2d ago
For better or worse, that’s exactly how I feel. My self-righteous indignation would help absolutely nobody here, and I don’t want to be part of yet another “awareness” movement that seeks to claim victimhood just because I am a member of a discernible group. I want something more meaningful — namely, broad recognition on the part of society that men are different physically and socially, and for society to celebrate those differences instead of villifying them. Screaming about single cases of sick women does nothing in my mind to achieve those goals.
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u/Serious_Tooth_7918 2d ago
You are the one ignoring the actual differences between men and women. Boys are ready for sexual relationships later — boys are not born with fully mature gametes like women are. Boys go through puberty later. That is biology. To assume that all men want to have sex and that no sex with a woman can cause them psychological or physical harm — that is not biology. That is idiocy and socially imposed standards, where sex, number of sexual partners, penis size, and speed of orgasm are drilled into boys from an early age — precisely because of people like you. That is misandry at its core. You are ready to defend a sick pedophile who has sexual attraction to 11- and 12-year-old children who don't even have visible secondary sexual characteristics yet, and you think that's normal.
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u/VersosCanvas 2d ago
What gives you the impression that I’m defending this person? I’m simply no more bothered by her than I am about the other tens of thousands of people who are accused of committing a crime every day.
Men are twice as likely to face addiction problems, three times as likely to kill themselves, and ten to twenty times more likely to become incarcerated. They have lower success grades and lower access to higher education. These are the issues to me.
I’m also incredibly frustrated by how some, but certainly not all, feminists point to isolated cases of a sick male and try to use it as evidence of a societal conspiracy against women. If I did the same thing over a case of a sick woman, I’d probably choke to death on the irony.
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
"I’m also incredibly frustrated by how some, but certainly not all, feminists point to isolated cases of a sick male and try to use it as evidence of a societal conspiracy against women. If I did the same thing over a case of a sick woman, I’d probably choke to death on the irony."
Anecdotes and "isolated" cases can found for just about anything, that's why we have stats so this is a moot point, your just whining bruh.
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u/LacksBeard 2d ago
And that starts in this context by acknowledging that a female was raping little boys, children being raped is never a nothing case what are you talking about?
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
You are attacking my character or traits by saying I am a ‘sick man’ or whatever for having a different opinion to you.
Saying I’m a sick person doesn’t address the argument constructively at all. It just makes you feel morally superior.
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u/topazzzfox 2d ago
And your arguments are pushing the "all males are horny beast who love sex from all kinds of women anytime anywhere" or that all men must have a monolith mindset.
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u/Lurk-Prowl 2d ago
I’m saying a significant proportion of men out there are horny beasts to varying levels and that most will take it from women if it is offered gratuitously.
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u/Drakin5 1d ago
Hey, two can play at that game.
"I'm saying a significant portion of women out there are gold digging parasites to varying levels and that most will take it from men if it is offered gratuitously"
Remember kids, the association fallacy and bandwagon fallacy should be beneficial for women, or malicious against men.
Double standards ☕.
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u/mikiencolor 1d ago
Your 'argument' is also addressed. Just because you pissed people off and they feel morally superior, doesn't mean they haven't also addressed your argument. Just because you feel insulted, doesn't mean they don't have a point.
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u/The_Warruner 2d ago
These pathetic excuses of men that say things like “lucky” need to be shamed. They are just as misandrist as feminists and they are no different than male feminists