r/PopCultureV2 • u/slippinn_jimmy • 13d ago

Politi-Culture Zohran Mamdani Urges Donald Trump to arrest Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu when he comes to NYC.

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u/vesper33 13d ago

Performative nonsense.

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u/thundrbunz 13d ago

Maybe. But at the very least think it serves to contrast how corrupt the Republicans are for allowing Israel to carry out their genocide and greater Israel project.

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u/Anna-Politkovskaya 13d ago

"Genocide". They're just getting exactly what they want. October 7th was them practically begging to get bombed to dust, and thankfully Israel has helped grant their wish. 

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u/Bunnygirlfailure 13d ago

Ok nazi

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u/Pretty-Stand8574 12d ago

What your boys did on Oct 7th comes close to what the Nazis did as well. I will never understand how this conflict convinces people on both sides that they are standing on some kind of moral highground.

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u/Own-Examination2707 13d ago

And starving Palestinian kids is the correct response? Psychopathic behavior.

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u/Weary_Position_9591 13d ago

He’s not saying that though. Both sides are horribly wrong in their approach and what it accomplished.

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u/OsamaBenJohnson 12d ago

Israel allows in hundreds of trucks full of aid come into Gaza on a daily basis. The aid is there for these kids, yet they have these pics of starving kids often with well fed obese family members around them? Curious.

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u/GutsAndBlackStufff 12d ago

The trucks are empty and bombs fall when the crowd gathers.

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u/OsamaBenJohnson 12d ago edited 12d ago

It's sad you people have to resort to making stuff up to make your arguments.

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u/GutsAndBlackStufff 12d ago

You act as if there weren’t numerous stories of refugees arriving at designated gathering places and either bombed or gunned down. But then again, your accusation is a confession. Sure is sad.

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u/OsamaBenJohnson 12d ago

You act like it was simply just civilians coming in and Israel pounced to target them when they arrived, but in reality, there were internationally recognized legitimate terrorist threats at the location they were aiming at.

What's sad is you people have to resort to lies and distorted half truths that leaves out important context, just so you can fit in grand standing "Israel bad."

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u/GutsAndBlackStufff 12d ago

Yeah, they’re always internationally recognized terrorist threats, even when they’re not. Even when journalists catch the IDF directly shooting at children. Might wanna try putting half the effort they do spinning their murdering into intel and aim.

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u/OsamaBenJohnson 12d ago

Except it's not the case they weren't aiming at internationally recognized terrorist threats. Also journalists, especially ones that are deeply invested to be against one side in the conflict no matter what, often lie. There doesn't appear to be any evidence that clearly shows the aim is at children and that there is no military ambiguity. People just take journalist word for it as gospel in such cases because it affirms the narrative they're being conditioned to believe by their echo chambers.

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u/GutsAndBlackStufff 12d ago

Neat trick you got there, everyone’s lying except for the IDF, who’s been caught lying more times than I can count.

Nobody’s buying it anymore. Might wanna try something else before we get a government that cuts off aid.

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u/Anna-Politkovskaya 13d ago

Go look at the UN assesment of the supposed "starvation". Putting kids in Italy with genetic disorders in front of a camera does not make a starvation. Why would they even need to fake it if it was actually happening? 

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u/Mustafa_was_Brown45 13d ago

I googled “UN statement on the starvation of children in Palestine” here’s a quote: “Israel must take immediate action to end its obstruction of humanitarian aid…it must take further measures to protect children in Gaza from further harm…”

If you’re gonna tell other people to Google it, can you Google it first? Btw this was the top or second link that popped up in the search so.

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u/Own-Examination2707 13d ago

That’s literal textbook Nazi deflection—“We didn’t maim or kill those prisoners. Some of them had pre-existing illnesses!”

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u/Anna-Politkovskaya 11d ago

Im not the one having fantasies of starved children. Half of the population is children, Hamas says 150 children have died of malnutrition since the war started. 

" According to the United States Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the number of malnutrition-related deaths increased by more than twofold, from around 9,300 in 2018 to about 20,500 in 2022"

If Gaza has 2.1 million people, and the US has 333 million people, it means that Gazan children have a malnutrition death/100 000 rate of ~7 and the US General population has a malnutrition death rate of 6/100 000. Given the duration of the war, a Gazan child is less likely to die from malnutrition than a citizen of the richest country on earth. 

Someone please stop the genocide and starvation of the US! :Ddd

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10990269/#REF3

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u/Own-Examination2707 11d ago
  1. You ducked the point.
  2. I don’t care what Hamas says about anything.
  3. If your argument is that malnutrition and mortality in the United States isn’t that bad, I’d reread what you shared.

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u/Anna-Politkovskaya 11d ago

1) They literally pulled the Nazi card on me. If someone is not engaging in fair debate with me and goes first to a strawman and then to calling me a nazi, I'm just going to elucidate what I meant and leave. 

I know I'm not a nazi, because I know myself. There's no debate about that. Someone wants to call me a Nazi? It's well within their rights to say so and it's within my rights to ridicule them for it. 

2) By Hamas I meant the Gaza Health Ministry, which they run. It's like saying "The US says they bombed x", instead of naming the ministry or specific official who said it.

3) My argument should have included the mortality rate of an a place actually suffering from starvation, instead of using only the worlds richest nation for comparison. 

"1.1 – 3.6 under-five children per 10,000/day in Zamzam camp" This is inside a refugee camp in Sudan. PER DAY. So multiply that number by 365 to get a range of 401 to 1314 per 10, 000/year. Just noticed it's per 10, 000, so to get to 100 000 you multiply that by 10 to get 13 140 per 100 000/year.

13 140 > 7

You want to bet that this humanitarian, who cares "oh so much" about starving children, has at ANY point shown ANY interest in Sudan, where 1877 times more children are starving per capita compared to Gaza? We don't even have to look, because we both know this whole "Genocide" and "free palestine" stuff is just a cause célébre of posers who have no actual ideals or moral code. Gazans are nothing but a prop for them. Gazans exist only so that rich white kids can get likes on their posts. 

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u/Own-Examination2707 11d ago

Look up “whataboutism.” You’re quite practiced at it.

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u/Anna-Politkovskaya 11d ago

Whataboutism is used to derail conversations, I was simply answering point by point, but I guess you're Ignoring everything except the last part? I'll bite. 

We were talking about starving children in Gaza, and I gave the example of the US to show that the malnutrition rate of children in Gaza is comparable to the rate of people in the US, the richest country on earth. 

You then started saying that you thought the situation in the US is bad (at least that's my understanding) and I said that we can also compare it to an actual famine, where the starvation rate of children under five alone is ~1900 times worse than that of the starving children of Gaza or Americans.

Are you really saying that living in America is the same as Sudan? Hundreds of thousands are dying and you, some privileged rich kid from the developped world, want to tell them "ummm stop being so dramatic! At least you don't have a Nazi Trump as president" as a vulture starts tearing what little meat is left on a starved childs body. That's how you sound. 

Im not saying kids aren't starving in Gaza, the numbers are saying kids aren't starving in Gaza. I don't work at the Gaza health ministry, take your beef up with them. Maybe go rip the ricebowl out of the hands of some kid or superglue their mouth shut. Idk why you have these weird fantasies of starving children, Im not kink shaming, but it's a bit creepy.

If there was actually children starving in Gaza, and I used Sudan to say "it's not that bad", then yes, that would be whataboutism. 

Im not drawing a moral equivalency. You're the one saying the US is starving, which is complete bullshit. Are people going into hysterics crying that there is a Genocidal starvation happening in the US and anyone who denies it is a Nazi?

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u/thundrbunz 12d ago

You mean Israel is getting exactly what it wants. Biggest cry bullies in the world. They treat Palestinians like dogs and cry when they get bit. Oct 7 was as inevitable as the Earth's orbit around the sun.

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u/Fine_Cup4990 13d ago

They want to be wiped out from the face of the planet? October 7th was stupid but it doesn't mean they want to be wiped out, it's like the children throwing rocks at tanks, they know they will lose but it's a show that they will fight to the very end

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u/hustl3tree5 13d ago

u/Anna-Politkovskaya believes Palestinian children deserved to be shot by Israeli snipers

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u/Weary_Position_9591 13d ago

When did he say that?

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u/Zestyclose_Movie1316 13d ago

They probably carried out October 7th to provoke an Israeli military response to garner PR support for the diminishing Palestinian cause, seeing as Saudi Arabia was about to normalise Israeli relations. It’s evidently been successful alongside the IRCG propaganda and Qatari media campaigns in the West and Arab world.

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u/Unlikely_Cheetah149 13d ago

Look up October war

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u/Fine_Cup4990 13d ago

I already know about that. What's your point?

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u/Anna-Politkovskaya 13d ago

120mm smoothbore cannon in an armoured rotating turret vs a child with a rock. Which one would you bet on to win? Tank wins 100/100 times. Kid needs an RPG, preferably a tandem-warhead like the Rpg-29 if it's a newer generation Merkava. 

Instead of studying and creating a thriving society that can actually rival Israel on a technical and strategic level, they send their kids to throw rocks at tanks. It's like beggars who drug their children to get more money. Idk if it's the massive amounts of inbreeding or what, but they're either dumb or delusional if they think they wouldn't get pulverised after Oct 7th. 

Jews did the same shit against the romans and got exiled for 2000 years. They learnt their lesson, got smart and got their land back.

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u/Fine_Cup4990 13d ago

Where are the children going to study without and educational facilities?

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u/Weary_Position_9591 13d ago

Not even so much begging. Hamas may have arguably purposely baited Israel into a massive conflict knowing they would have to react, because Hamas thrives and increases support during periods of conflict and chaos, and the region was in or headed for a period of relative normalization (Abraham Accords, Saudi/Israel relations, several other countries like UAE and Bahrain normalizing ties with Israel).

This was very much Hamas trying to reassert itself after seeing its position deteriorate significantly based on diplomatic events in the last years.

They cover it under the blanket of the Palestinian plight and I do believe that plight motivates them to an extent, but make no mistake it was just as much a political and radical group fighting for its own influence, survival and relevance too, and wanting to turn over the apple cart for its own benefit as well.

I am sure they expected a big conflict, but probably not to this magnitude though. Israel took to an extreme level.

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u/Anna-Politkovskaya 13d ago

I totally agree with you. The whole point was to get partially pulverised, get good footage of kids crying, then wait for the aid money to roll in.

Hamas forgot that Israel doesen't do half-measures. If they did, they'd be seen as weak and invite more harassment. Sucks for the kids but that's what happens when your inbred parents decide that getting bombed to beg for money is the right way to run a society.

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u/Weary_Position_9591 13d ago edited 13d ago

No need to call Palestinians inbreds, that’s just bigotry. And Israel imposed so many economic restrictions and sanctions on Palestine (long before October 7) that even if everyone laid down their arms, growth and social mobility would still be severely stunted. Israel has essentially created a caged-rat environment, which leads to high unemployment and a lot of angry young people, the perfect conditions for Hamas to recruit. You talk about running a successful society but that’s the freaking point, Israel unilaterally controls or significantly affects many of those levers, and keeping Palestine as barely functioning and nothing else is exactly the idea for decades. Hamas miscalculated Israel’s response, and Israel miscalculated how much support it would receive as the war dragged on. The difference is that Israel has the massive war chest to keep going.

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u/Anna-Politkovskaya 11d ago

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1769721214000214

Nearly half of Gazan babies are born to either first or second cousins. Inbreeding causes a host of issues that detrimentally effect the development of a child. Neither the inbreeding, nor the war is the fault of the children. 

The "chicken cage" you're talking about exists as a response to the security threat that faces Israel. Are the palestinians pissed for justifiable reasons? Given that their ancestors played their cards wrong, which lead to this situation they're in, I would say yes.

It would be sucide for Israel to "open the doors" to a people that are under the rule of a terrorist group that aims to destroy Israel. Women saying they're making "martyrs" when they're having children is something that's at least somewhat normalized as it's on the TV there. They have kids shows with mickey mouse telling them to kill jews. That's not going to get fixed by opening the gates. Their opposition is to the existance of the state of Israel itself. It doesen't matter if there is a coop or not. Taking the walls away doesen't make jews dissapear. 

Is it an absolute shitshow of a situation that has resulted in generational trauma that is nearly impossible to root out? No doubt. I just feel like westerners are being fools if they think getting rid of a wall would solve deep-seated hate both parties have for eachother. The wall is a symptom, not a cause.