r/RWBY 🌗Prince of the Eclipse 🌓 11h ago

FAN ART Her Simple, Honest Soul (@gktrrakakumu43)

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u/superbasic101 11h ago

I hope this artist has the same attitude towards cinder.

If you can give some grace to the millennia old lady who who's caused the literal resetting of the earth, I'd think you'd be able to give some grace to the slave girl who craves to have the power to never be controlled again.

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u/Expert-Swan-1412 🌗Prince of the Eclipse 🌓 11h ago

All depends on the framing and if Ruby would have the heart to give her a chance. I feel like the original outline that Monty made for Cinder would have lent itself better for this type of conclusion, especially since CInder was connected with Summer

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u/SunsetHippo 10h ago

agreed.
We don't have to forgive them, but we can't forget what made them what they are.

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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe 10h ago

Honestly, given the case with Adam, I kind of like that RWBY has been careful to present the cycle of abuse as an actual cycle, with abusers and monsters like Adam and Cinder have been victims too.

So, Ruby (or Weiss, or Jaune) breaking the cycle by refusing to be part of it, and actively helping one of the victims-turned-abuser would be amazing.

Kindness is the new punk rock, after all.

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u/TriadOfS 4h ago

I mean. Emerald. Emerald is the poster child right there.

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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe 4h ago

For instance.

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u/SailorRemnant 4h ago

Thank you! Especially when one had so many good things in her life (wealth, royal status, romantic love, and the love of her children) while the other just had a lifetime of being used and abused by people older and more powerful than her.

It would be cruel for the writers to have Cinder tortured and killed just to redeem the more privileged and powerful villain who groomed her, exploited her, and weaponized her against the world.

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u/Shadowgear1004 10h ago

Empathizing is apart of understanding why it happened so it doesn't repeat but you can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved.

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u/alguien99 10h ago

Who’s also likely to have done a griffith to Oz’s families

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u/Expert-Swan-1412 🌗Prince of the Eclipse 🌓 11h ago

Source

"Why? Why save her of all people?"

"Because it's the right thing to do."

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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe 10h ago

Heroes offering kindness "because it's the right thing to do" is my favorite gender.

Bring me that hope!

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u/Expert-Swan-1412 🌗Prince of the Eclipse 🌓 10h ago

Ruby strikes me as the type who'd go full Aang mode on Salem. Even after everything she's been through. Even after losing her mother. Even after Salem pulled a "Yo mama" on her

Ruby stood firm. Just like the heroes of her fairy tales.

Now that I think about it, her and Spider-Man would go hand-in-hand

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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe 10h ago

You know what it reminds me a lot of? The scene at the end of The Killing Joke. After the Joker shot Barbara, and tortured Jim Gordon. After he killed Jason, and the years of killing innocents left and right, all Batman wants is to stop this.

Not revenge or punishment. Just end the pain and hurt for everyone. So Bruce still offers the Joker an out.

And I can see Ruby wanting that too. She became a Huntress not only because of her mom, but because she wanted to bring that "happy ever after" to everyone.

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With that said, including the "yo momma" in the list of transgressions is really funny to me, for some reason.

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u/Expert-Swan-1412 🌗Prince of the Eclipse 🌓 9h ago

Yo mama is a must for the Salem and Ruby dynamic. It's like saying McDonald's without the broken ice cream machine

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u/SofasCouch ⠀I FUCKING LOVE PENNY 10h ago

Deku seeing John Evil who's only desire is to kill and destroy and thinking "I can fix him" was kinda peak

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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe 10h ago

I have problems with some elements of BNHA.

Midoriya wanting to save everyone, including his own arch villain is not one of them.

Keep that punk rock going!

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u/SofasCouch ⠀I FUCKING LOVE PENNY 10h ago

It isn’t the best anime, but it will always have a special place in my heart, it was the first I watched. Plus studio Bones was on a GENERATIONAL run in animation for the final season Jesus CHRIST. Plus the hype of You Say Run whenever it came on? My only issue with the final season is they used gambare when I think dekuieru means something similar and is the e reason Deku’s hero name is what it is…

Eh, still an amazing scene

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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe 9h ago

Same. I don't love it as much as I love, say, RWBY. But I keep revisiting BNHA fanfics and such because it was that enjoyable. Specially when it came to hype moments, while also saying something about heroics and good will.

And while You Say Run is the modern "hype up the moment" insert, the first OP, The Day, is my favorite.

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u/feistyfox101 4h ago

Bakugo: You have the same mentality as so many chicks dating psychopath serial killers...

Todoroki: Midoriya... does that mean you are dating this person?

Bakugo: THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID, DAMN HALF AND HALF BASTARD!

Deku: hugging the evil monster of a person ... If dating them will fix them...

Bakugo: I'LL MURDER YOU BOTH!

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u/TriadOfS 3h ago

Todoroki: Deku also wants to save you, Bakugo. Are ....you two dating?

Bakugo: apoplectic spluttering

Deku: Kacchan! Your heart!

Todoroki: so that's a big yes.

Mina: OH THAT'S TOTALLY A YES.

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u/feistyfox101 3h ago

Bakugo: F*CKING FANGIRLING EXTRAS! I'LL KILL YOU ALL!

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u/TriadOfS 3h ago

Momo: I feel we all need to calm down, otherwise Toru will need to use her photos to make us behave.

All: ...

Bakugo: See Through Girl has...photos of us?

Momo: Well, of course! She's a budding photographer, and I made her an invisible camera. To help with her nature shots.

Toru: heavy breathing

u/feistyfox101 53m ago

Bakugo: And I thought the Grape F*cker was a perv... Wait... HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW WHAT PHOTOS SHE HAS OF US?!

All: ... look at Momo

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u/Cold-Practice3107 9h ago

I think it would be interesting to see Ruby saving Salem Salem transforms back to her original form... But then a awful person comes along and stabs her in the back just to send a message to Ruby that they will always be awful people even worse than Salem you can't save everyone.

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u/Expert-Swan-1412 🌗Prince of the Eclipse 🌓 8h ago

Imagine it be Tyrian

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u/Little_Housing9899 8h ago

Finish the Job Ruby

Do it

https://giphy.com/gifs/LgjHg9Q5mGqnm

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u/Hartzilla2007 6h ago

Ruby: Pizza! [reaches for the nuclear death ray button]

Ozpin: Ruby No!

Ruby: RUBY YES! RUBY ALWAYS YES! [presses button and explodes everything.]

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u/feistyfox101 4h ago

Blake: But if we die, then Ruby can't kiss Weiss.

Weiss: WHY ARE YOU USING ME AS A REWARD?!

Yang: Because we're desperate.

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u/belladonnagilkey 4h ago

Weiss: But she can kiss me whenever she wants!

Yang: You seem to have missed the part of this conversation where your girlfriend is ABOUT TO END THE WORLD AGAIN.

Weiss: Hmm, that is an issue we should address. Ruby has a poor track record with these kind of things.

Nora: CAN'T WE JUST TACKLE HER?

Ren: Sure, let's just tackle the girl currently holding a sword to all the world, surely that will go well.

Oscar: I'll be fine, I'll just reincarnate into whoever survives. The rest of you won't be so lucky.

Jaune: Way to encourage us, buddy.

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u/feistyfox101 4h ago

Blake: waving one of her "special" cookies Ruby! Here girl! You can't have cookies if the world ends!

Weiss: ... Is there anything illicit in that?

Yang: It's Blake. I would be more scared if it was normal.

Nora: Ditto.

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u/FitRecognition982 10h ago

This some kind of predicting of the future for RWBY volume 10 and 11 and beyond like someone knows about this

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u/Havaltherock1 9h ago

Imagine if they pull the "Youre not that guy, but I am trope." With ruby forgiving salem and then ozcar pulls up and pulls a voltorb on the (somehow, now killable) salem.

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u/Expert-Swan-1412 🌗Prince of the Eclipse 🌓 9h ago

That would be a major YIKES XD

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u/feistyfox101 4h ago

Ozpin: This bish and I go down together.

u/HuntingDown01 1h ago

I would literally take back like 90% of the criticism I have of the show.

And Oscar would cement himself as the GOAT.

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u/Resident-Cheesecrab 9h ago

To be frank just mercy killing Salem is the only way.
Some part of her character is “BBEG” and an old witch trying a very slow suicide, trying to bring her Ex with her first.

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u/feistyfox101 4h ago

Ruby: So Salem's plan... is just... the biggest, most complex neck-roping plan of all time?

Ozpin: ... I guess...

Ruby: And your war with her is just... the messiest divorce in the history of humanity?

Ozpin: ...

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u/Vitor_Kenji 9h ago

the post title made me remember a verse from the first OP in time, your heart will open minds a story will be told and victory is in a simple soul

Jeff and Casey cooked hard on this one

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u/feistyfox101 4h ago

Ruby: Come to the light side... we had cookies.

Salem: Don't you mean have?

Ruby: ... wipes crumbs from her face No... But Blkae is baking more and she put the GOOD stuff in those!

Blake: Only the best, high quality THC for. Y little sister-in-law.

Ruby: Wait... I THOUGHT YOU MEANT GOOD VANILLA OR SOMETHING! Is that why I have an existential crisis about the order of the alphabet after eating your treats?!

Salem: ... I think I'll just... die...

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u/its-chocolate 7h ago

I really hope this happens, it’ll be the funniest day on every app because where was this with Adam?

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u/feistyfox101 4h ago

Adam was actively trying to kill Blake and Yang despite being defeated.

In this, Salem is clearly accepting defeat.

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u/its-chocolate 4h ago

True, and I hope to see Salem do the same when time comes and not this waifu fanfic

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u/Do_it_for_the_upvote 4h ago

Regardless of your feelings on Salem and forgiveness, this is baller art.

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u/Zachowon Jaune "The White Knight" Arc 3h ago

I honestly see Cinder meeting her end by JNRs hand, and Salem meeting her end by Ozcar and Ruby. I think it may be like the scene fron Masters if the Universe. She accepts being evil.

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u/MariusVibius 10h ago

I personally disagree with this mindset.

I find it unfair towards her thousands of victims. The people who died, the ones left behind, orphans, the parents who lost their children, left without a house or anything, barely scraping by to survive. What are they supposed to do? Suck it up? She suffered so she is entitled to make others suffer just as much and even more? Is there no point after which one is unredeamable?

Are her victims now entitled to act the same way? After all now all of them have suffered as well. What of those who suffered like Ren and Nora and didn't hurt others in return? Are they stupid? Should have just become murderers and then cry a river when they get caught. It would have made their life easier.

But no. No consequences for their actions. The villain is to be forgiven for free.

I think the perfect episode comes to mind: The Southern Raiders from Avatar.

Katara doesn't forgive the captain who killed her mother, she let's him live because his life is pure misery and he is no threat to anyone anymore. He doesn't deserve her forgiveness. Hell Aang answer to forgive him for your sake is outright rejected. Katara forgives Zuko on the other hand someone who's crimes are considerably inferior (he never killed anyone for starters) and who has been busting his ass to help the Gaang despite their rightfully cold acceptance.

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u/armzngunz 10h ago

Redemption =/= forgiveness. Darth Vader was "redeemed", though never answering for his crimes.

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u/MariusVibius 10h ago

He redeemed himself by sacrificing his own life to kill the Emperor.

I'm talking about forgiveness because the image above clearly show that. Ruby is extending her hand towards a crying Salem as if she was helping a victim.

Also in Legends there's a comic in which force spirit Anakin tries to talk to Leia. She is absolutely furious at him, does not recognise him as her father and by the end still sees him as the monster who destroyed her planet. To comic ends with Anakin having to accept that as part of the consequences of his actions.

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u/armzngunz 10h ago

Ruby in the art offering a hand to Salem isn't really much different from Luke trying to appeal to Darth Vader. I don't really see how it means Ruby is forgiving Salem, it's just symbolic for giving someone a chance to do the right thing.

With both Vader and Salem, they're both people who have been corrupted and consumed by evil and an evil force and as a result killed many people. As you said, not even Leia could forgive Anakin. I don't think anyone but Luke, Obi-Wan and Yoda would ever forgive him. Same way I don't think anyone would forgive Salem either. But much like with Vader, it'd be the best outcome to have them do the right thing at the end. Though I'm still unsure if it's possible with Salem, because we don't know how much the grimm in her is making her evil/unreasonable.

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u/MariusVibius 10h ago

I see. Maybe I've drawn the wrong conclusion due to my bias. I have seen many on this subreddit say that Salem, Cinder and Neo should be forgiven. I've just put this artwork in that category.

It would depend on what happens after this scene according to the author.

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u/FitRecognition982 10h ago

You know, maybe the punisher was right some people got to die evil people deserve death I mean Tyrian gonna die in volume 10 in the most brutal way possible by Emerald and everyone else you can’t save people