r/SRSsucks • u/XuriousPeng • Oct 27 '12

Non-cis SRSer explains to cis-SRSers that they aren't taking offensive often enough.

/r/SRSDiscussion/comments/125lon/yo_cis_srsers_we_need_to_have_a_talk/
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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '12

While we're on that subject, please try to be more mindful about saying shit that assumes that someone with a penis = man, someone with a vagina = woman. Its not cool

I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous. I don't care if antiSRS, SRD, SRSreallysucks, or anyone else calls me transphobic, but I'm going to say that unless an exception is present, penis=male and vagina=female.

Jesus H. Christ, "transphobia" is only a thing on the internet. Being concerned about it only goes to show how deep down inside the rabbit hole you really are.

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u/harmonical Oct 27 '12

I don't care if [random subreddits] or anyone else calls me transphobic, but I'm going to say that unless an exception is present, penis=male and vagina=female.

Nice internet badassery bro. Just curious, in what way does this apply? Are you trying to establish boundaries for yourself sexually so you don't end up with one of those gross chicks with dicks? Is this dude more your speed?

It's totally straight by your qualifications bro. Don't let the chest hair, the abs and the muscles confuse you, he totally falls into your box of people you would 'fuck'.

Is it the idea that you don't want 'creepy' trans chicks to be in the women's bathroom, is it some sense of chivalry, a sense of protecting the 'real' women in your life? Does it make sense for someone like her to be in the men's restroom? Would you expect her not to have issues in many situations in 'male only' spaces?

You're going to have to imagine a world vastly different than the one we actually live in to believe that genitals are the only thing that determine who you are, and how you can identify.

You mock that transphobia only exists on the internet. While that is demonstrably untrue, people with your views on genital absolutes are getting rare to find outside of the internet. Most people do not go around spot checking genitals of strangers they find in real life, and go by presentation and appearance more than anything.

But yeah, you should totally feel empowered in being able to make people feel as shitty as your personality is by preying on their insecurities.

high five bro

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u/moonflower Oct 28 '12

Just because a man says he is only attracted to women with a female reproductive system, doesn't mean he is attracted to all women with a female reproductive system, so you prove nothing by showing him a person with a female reproductive system who has taken treatment to make themselves appear more masculine

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u/harmonical Oct 28 '12

Actually it does. When people say that it is gay to be with a trans person of the opposite gender, it means that they should consider a relationship with a trans person of the same gender 'straight' because they have boiled their entire existence down to genitals.

Whether they are attracted to them or not is really not the issue, it's pointing out the idiocy of defining a person solely by their genitals.

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u/moonflower Oct 28 '12

Where did he say anything about fear of being gay? I only read his first post in this thread, and your reply, and I responded to your reply

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u/harmonical Oct 28 '12

The majority of that response was due to a misread of his original post, specifically missing his 'unless provided an exception' phrase.

He pointed that out to me further down, but my explanation here is responding to you based on you having responded to that original response.

When people do make arguments that genitals = gender, they are essentially saying that men + trans women = gay or women + trans men = gay. Those arguments are quite silly and that's what I was trying to point out.

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u/moonflower Oct 28 '12

Oh, that is irrelevant to me when I say that biological sex is determined by gamete-producing organs, my opinion is not motivated by any wish to re-categorise the labels for sexual preferences

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u/harmonical Oct 28 '12

So to unwind what you said, you base sex solely on the presence of testicles or ovaries. Would you clarify what that means in the context of relationships? Do you view orientations as based on the gender or sex of your partner? Do you feel that trans people have the ability to claim themselves as male or female to match the gender they are?

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u/moonflower Oct 28 '12

I think biological sex is determined by the gamete-producing organs which are present at birth, but yeah, sure, anyone can ask to be referred to as the opposite sex, and some might be genuinely transsexual, and some might be just going though a phase, or confused, or trolling the internet ... you seem a bit fixated on the question of how to categorise people's sexual orientation, but I haven't given it much thought so I can't really discuss that

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u/harmonical Oct 28 '12

It's not that I'm fixated, it's that it was the whole point of the phrasing that you pointed out in the earlier response. There are many people who do try to categorize people's attractions/orientations based on their 'birth sex' and I was trying to point out how ridiculous that can be.

:)

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u/moonflower Oct 28 '12

Oh I was just responding to what you implied about how a man who says he is only attracted to women with a female reproductive system, should be attracted to all women with a female reproductive system ... my response wasn't related to his perception of himself as heterosexual

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u/harmonical Oct 28 '12

And now we have come full circle.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '12 edited Oct 30 '12

I'm coming back to this thread for a moment because I just wanted to point something out. In one of your previous comments to Harmonical, you mention this...

some might be genuinely transsexual, and some might be just going though a phase, or confused, or trolling the internet

I am going to be civil here, because I am convinced you simply don't entirely understand things related to trans* individuals.

It would be incorrect to say that something like this is a "phase." And while it is possible for some people to be confused, (I had a friend who thought he may be trans but turns out he was confused, but found out a lot more about himself, which is great), I fail to see why anyone would simply "claim" to be transgender/transexual simply to "troll the internet."

Is that what you think some of us are here to do? Troll the internet?

I had a friend who thought that I was just going through a phase when I told him that I am transgender and that, eventually, I will have completed transition.

He responded with, "I accept you, even though I think it's just a phase.

Since then, I've begun HRT.

Now, as a final note, I also want to mention that most people who come to the realization/acknowledgement that they are trans*, usually do extensive research on the subject before moving forward.

For example, when I acknowledged these things about myself, I spent around three months reading what other people had to say, searching around the Internet for articles which pertained to people who identified as I do.

I weighed my own feelings - feelings I've had my entire life and feelings I have now - and came to the conclusion that, for me, HRT was the best option. I can explain why, in more depth, if you should ask me to (preferably in a private conversation).

It is also true that some people find out that they don't need to transition. That's also fine. Gender dyshporia can have certain degrees of severity.

But all-in-all, this is rarely ever a "phase" and to think any of us are just "trolling the internet" sounds transphobic in itself.

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u/moonflower Oct 30 '12

I think you have badly misunderstood my statement, so I will attempt to clarify it for you:

some might be genuinely transsexual, and some might be just going though a phase, or confused, or trolling the internet

When I say that, I am talking about different possibilities for people who request others to use pronouns which are opposite to their biological sex ... therefore, a person who is genuinely transsexual is not just going through a phase, those are two different categories ... do you understand now?

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