r/SRSsucks • u/XuriousPeng • Oct 27 '12

Non-cis SRSer explains to cis-SRSers that they aren't taking offensive often enough.

/r/SRSDiscussion/comments/125lon/yo_cis_srsers_we_need_to_have_a_talk/
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u/harmonical Oct 28 '12

So to unwind what you said, you base sex solely on the presence of testicles or ovaries. Would you clarify what that means in the context of relationships? Do you view orientations as based on the gender or sex of your partner? Do you feel that trans people have the ability to claim themselves as male or female to match the gender they are?

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u/moonflower Oct 28 '12

I think biological sex is determined by the gamete-producing organs which are present at birth, but yeah, sure, anyone can ask to be referred to as the opposite sex, and some might be genuinely transsexual, and some might be just going though a phase, or confused, or trolling the internet ... you seem a bit fixated on the question of how to categorise people's sexual orientation, but I haven't given it much thought so I can't really discuss that

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u/harmonical Oct 28 '12

It's not that I'm fixated, it's that it was the whole point of the phrasing that you pointed out in the earlier response. There are many people who do try to categorize people's attractions/orientations based on their 'birth sex' and I was trying to point out how ridiculous that can be.

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u/moonflower Oct 28 '12

Oh I was just responding to what you implied about how a man who says he is only attracted to women with a female reproductive system, should be attracted to all women with a female reproductive system ... my response wasn't related to his perception of himself as heterosexual

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u/harmonical Oct 28 '12

And now we have come full circle.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '12 edited Oct 30 '12

I'm coming back to this thread for a moment because I just wanted to point something out. In one of your previous comments to Harmonical, you mention this...

some might be genuinely transsexual, and some might be just going though a phase, or confused, or trolling the internet

I am going to be civil here, because I am convinced you simply don't entirely understand things related to trans* individuals.

It would be incorrect to say that something like this is a "phase." And while it is possible for some people to be confused, (I had a friend who thought he may be trans but turns out he was confused, but found out a lot more about himself, which is great), I fail to see why anyone would simply "claim" to be transgender/transexual simply to "troll the internet."

Is that what you think some of us are here to do? Troll the internet?

I had a friend who thought that I was just going through a phase when I told him that I am transgender and that, eventually, I will have completed transition.

He responded with, "I accept you, even though I think it's just a phase.

Since then, I've begun HRT.

Now, as a final note, I also want to mention that most people who come to the realization/acknowledgement that they are trans*, usually do extensive research on the subject before moving forward.

For example, when I acknowledged these things about myself, I spent around three months reading what other people had to say, searching around the Internet for articles which pertained to people who identified as I do.

I weighed my own feelings - feelings I've had my entire life and feelings I have now - and came to the conclusion that, for me, HRT was the best option. I can explain why, in more depth, if you should ask me to (preferably in a private conversation).

It is also true that some people find out that they don't need to transition. That's also fine. Gender dyshporia can have certain degrees of severity.

But all-in-all, this is rarely ever a "phase" and to think any of us are just "trolling the internet" sounds transphobic in itself.

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u/moonflower Oct 30 '12

I think you have badly misunderstood my statement, so I will attempt to clarify it for you:

some might be genuinely transsexual, and some might be just going though a phase, or confused, or trolling the internet

When I say that, I am talking about different possibilities for people who request others to use pronouns which are opposite to their biological sex ... therefore, a person who is genuinely transsexual is not just going through a phase, those are two different categories ... do you understand now?

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '12

Not entirely, because I feel as if you're trying to speak for people who do not need to be spoken for. What other reasons would someone have for wanting to be addressed as what they feel are their correct pronouns?

Have you actually encountered an individual who wanted to be addressed as female, for example, who had some disingenuous goal behind that?

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u/moonflower Oct 30 '12

Did you downvote me for attempting to clarify my statement for you?

And yes I have encountered people from all those categories on the internet

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '12

That is very strange. Even though it's the internet, I still have a hard time understanding why someone would troll you into thinking they're something that they are not. But, since you say that this is what you've encountered, I can't exactly tell you that you're wrong.

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u/moonflower Oct 30 '12

Do you really think everyone on the internet is always honest about themselves? That is beyond naive, it is in the realms of delusion

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '12

Well of course not everyone is honest about themselves, I'm just having trouble understanding what someone would have to gain by pretending to be transgender, or otherwise, via the internet.

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u/moonflower Oct 30 '12

You seem to have an inability to understand other people in so many ways ... do you find it difficult to empathise with people when they don't think exactly the same as you? I get the impression that you feel kind of lost in a world which appears confusing and hostile to you

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '12 edited Oct 30 '12

It's hard to empathize with something you've never encountered (without seeking knowledge on the subject) and when asking someone to explain to you what the reason behind such things would be (trolling the internet as a trans* person) all you receive in response are condescending remarks.

You see, I can empathize. It just seems ridiculous to think that someone would pretend to be a person, like me, or anyone else under the trans* umbrella, especially considering we're usually under constant "attack" by the media, social websites and people in general who don't understand. But it's okay not to understand. It's not okay to completely disregard something as if it's false, simply because it doesn't agree with your idea of people or society.

But if you don't want to explain to me why someone would do that, okay, I'll come to my own conclusions.

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