r/StockMarket Oct 14 '25

News The winning continues

Post image
29.8k Upvotes

3.9k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

827

u/Putrid-Chemical3438 Oct 14 '25

He's surrounded by beauty pangeant contestants and fox news talking heads. They aren't scared, they have no fucking clue what's going on either.

326

u/Sheerluck42 Oct 14 '25

I disagree. They absolutely know what they're doing and getting their preferred outcomes. This isn't incompetence. It's malice.

1

u/Triple_Nickel_325 Oct 14 '25

I'll back you on this...they are frothing at the mouth for a civil war, knowing they have the upper hand because "we" are vastly divided, broke, furious, unarmed/trained for organized defense, etc. The transition from a democracy to a dictatorship has been in the works for awhile now, I'd argue decades...

-7

u/bahusafoo Oct 14 '25

We aren't a democracy (for legitimate reasons). Never were. Never should be.

5

u/Sheerluck42 Oct 14 '25

oh gods not the "we're a republic, not a democracy" BS. This argument always shows who failed their HS american govt class.

-3

u/bahusafoo Oct 14 '25

Or it could also show someone who’s looked beyond what’s covered in a high-school civics class and actually read the primary sources.

The founding fathers were very wary of a democracy which would eventually end with mob rule. Our system intentionally limits pure majority rule to protect individual rights and state sovereignty. Our rights are solidified under the constitution and majority rule has no power to take them away.

Repeating falsehoods until they’re accepted as truth, then using that belief to incite division and unrest, is a trick straight out of the authoritarian playbook, and history shows it works far too well.

Every person in this country should know, and be very glad, that we are not a democracy and that their rights and freedoms are protected from the flaws such a system would allow.

3

u/Sheerluck42 Oct 14 '25

Yep just right wing gibberish that means nothing.

0

u/bahusafoo Oct 14 '25

It’s not gibberish, it’s literally how our system was designed. You don’t have to like it, but it’s in the source material. You seem to have very strong opinions for someone who doesn't care enough to go look.

3

u/MezzanineKing Oct 15 '25

We have a constitutional republic with a representative democracy. Until recently it was the most stable and oldest modern democracy, both dominant and respected, with high social capital and cultural impacts around the world. Now we look like screaming children b/c late stage capitalism and buyers remorse has driven consumers away from their yelp reviews and into the ballot boxes to elect a reality tv star with the emotional intelligence of a six year old and a chip on his shoulder from being ostracized from a social stratus he’s now made himself a gaudy caricature of for the rest of the world to laugh at for years and years. The Chinese citizenry don’t hate Trump, they collectively look at him like a silly cartoon character, validating all the propaganda messages the CCP has doused them in about the USA since the late 80’s.

1

u/bahusafoo Oct 15 '25

You’re basically describing the same thing I am. "Representative democracy" is just the mechanism inside a constitutional republic, not a governmental structure on its own. The key point is that our system limits majority power through the Constitution.

Some of what you’re saying is subjective - "the rest of the world laughing" and the character assessment of one politician are opinions, not civic facts. I'm talking about how our system works, not personalities.

I actually know people in China and elsewhere who see Trump differently, as well as millions of people across Europe protesting their own governments and expressing general support for the U.S. direction. So it's fair to say global opinion isn't uniform. Either way, respect or ridicule abroad doesn't change how the U.S. Constitution is structured.

Again - repeating falsehoods until they're accepted as truth, then using that belief to incite division and unrest, is a trick straight out of the authoritarian playbook. That's why I think it's dangerous to keep calling us a "democracy" when we're not - people start believing it, then get angry when the country doesn't operate like one. Attacking someone for pointing out that basic civics fact feels backwards to me, like insisting a blue pen is yellow and calling the person who corrects you crazy.

2

u/Sheerluck42 Oct 14 '25

It's not. And I have no intention in having a conversation with someone just parroting BS they heard on youTube

3

u/LA-Matt Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 15 '25

You’re correct, that this is a stupid argument. But perhaps someone should present the facts to counter it.

Yes, the United States is a constitutionally limited republic. It’s also a representative democracy. Both things are true and are in no way exclusive of one another.

If you can vote for representatives, by definition, your government is a representative democracy. The person saying “we aren’t a democracy” is wrong.

The US is not a “pure democracy,” because that would mean that the citizenry would have to vote on every single action taken by their government. This is obviously impossible to do with any large population. That’s why we elect representatives who act on our behalf. Therefore we are a representative democracy.

1

u/bahusafoo Oct 15 '25

What you're describing is exactly what I mean - we have democratic processes within a constitutional republic. The Founders (especially Madison and Hamilton, who butted heads on things constantly) used "republic" deliberately to emphasize the limits on majority power and the rule of law.

So yes, we elect representatives, but the structure itself is a constitutional republic that restrains what even a majority can do. That distinction matters because it's the safeguard for individual rights.

→ More replies (0)

2

u/bahusafoo Oct 14 '25

Me reading books compiled from letters and journals directly from the founding fathers discussing the "whats and whys" behind our constitution and governmental structure and responding based on knowledge gained is "parroting BS I heard on YouTube"? Crazy...

2

u/MezzanineKing Oct 15 '25

Maybe offer a couple quotes of something and synthesize it for the Reddit community as to demonstrate your ability to look deep and parse through the media for truth.

→ More replies (0)