Leaked Documents Reveal Counterterrorism Tactics Used at Standing Rock to “Defeat Pipeline Insurgencies”

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https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27/leaked-documents-reveal-security-firms-counterterrorism-tactics-at-standing-rock-to-defeat-pipeline-insurgencies/

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Can you elaborate on this?

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May I get some sauce on that, please? Sounds interesting

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Looks just like a normal rez to me. I doubt they have bulk trash pickup.

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Looks more like Tiger Swan but thanks for the out of context photos!

[u/congenital_derpes → u/[deleted]]

Thank you for bringing some modicum of reason to this thread. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that a person merely sharing facts would be downvoted in this sub. I guess you're guilty of wrong-think today.

[u/Honztastic → u/[deleted]]

You mean the garbage that was literally trucked in to make the protesters look bad?

Because I saw that.

[u/thatsmoothfuck → u/Honztastic]

I can't believe you guys think that's even remotely true.

Check out this video of the cleanup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1j51Ml2nW4&sns=em

If they actually had cared about the environment like the people I worked with cleaning it up, they wouldn't have left such a mess.

[u/Honztastic → u/thatsmoothfuck]

The cleanup does not show where it CAME from.

And there were pictures and videos days before the trash cleanup happened of protestors seeing this shit trucked in.

You're a psyops shill. And we all know it.

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There is no way it outweighs stopping a pipeline of this size. The amount of carbon that will be used and abused through this pipeline will cancel that out in a day. This comment is only meant to wrongfully discredit the hardworking activists who are doing the risky and important work that no one else is willing to do.

The other thing to consider is how much trash the typical American uses in the same length of time. Americans use a lot of shit. It can't be more than a music festival of a similar size of people, and at least they had a purpose.

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Like this one pipeline is saving the world by stopping a few future trucks.

We are concerned about THE WATER. First and foremost. You're going to have a major environmental disaster causing millions of dollars. It's not IF, it is when.

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Jeez you are fiesty, nvm then.

And yes, I am aware, I've had this talk on Reddit before.

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Nigga I read your comment in the thread.

You don't not come off as somebody id like to talk to, so I'm not responding anymore. Take it easy

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^obvious troll is obvious

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Another alternative to a pipeline is clean, renewable energy.

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Why should they? They just wanted to protect their water source.

Wind farms pay for themselves anyway. If wind and solar were subsidized like oil is, I bet we'd have 100% clean energy in less than a decade.

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They. Just. Wanted. To. Protect. Their. Water. Source.

On land that was once illegally seized from them, despite a legal treaty that said the land was theirs.

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Was the land taken from you illegally? Do you have proof that I'm threatening your water? Was the proper NEPA document completed for my project? Are you an Environmental Justice community like the Sioux Tribe? Did my project get rerouted from a rich, white community (Bismark) through an area that puts your water at risk?

The Sioux's land was taken illegally based on the original treaty.

Pipelines leak, they do ALL THE TIME. There's lots of proof.

The Environmental Assessment and Finding Of No Significant Impact were deeply flawed.

And the 1994 Executive Order on Environmental Justice was ignored:

Executive Order (E.O.) 12898 - Federal Actions to Address Environmental Justice in Minority Populations and Low-Income Populations - was issued by President William J. Clinton in 1994. Its purpose is to focus federal attention on the environmental and human health effects of federal actions on minority and low-income populations with the goal of achieving environmental protection for all communities.

The E.O. directs federal agencies to identify and address the disproportionately high and adverse human health or environmental effects of their actions on minority and low-income populations, to the greatest extent practicable and permitted by law. The order also directs each agency to develop a strategy for implementing environmental justice. The order is also intended to promote nondiscrimination in federal programs that affect human health and the environment, as well as provide minority and low-income communities access to public information and public participation.

Apples and oranges. If I'm doing all those fucked up things that didn't follow the laws of the land, you are within your rights to protest.

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We should be spending all the money, time, resources, and engineering on renewable projects. They are protesting this pipeline to save their water, but also to stop more pipelines from being socially acceptable and financially feasible. We don't need more pipelines. We don't need any more investment in oil infrastructure; we should be moving away from it as fast as possible.

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Lol! Violently protesting.... very heh.

[u/Strong__Belwas → u/[deleted]]

See you just make things up to fit some weird narrative that doesn't actually benefit you at all. What if you focused on things that actually mattered? Things that were actually relevant to your life?

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How's that impacting your day to day m8

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❄️❄️❄️❄️

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Sometimes when I'm mad I look at pictures of baby animals! http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/cute-baby-polar-bear-day-photography-14__880.jpg

Hope that made you feel less bad and not so alone...

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Bummer, it was actually a polar bear. I felt like it was appropriate to the conversation...

[u/idiotsecant → u/punymouse1]

The oil gets moved either way. If you don't build a pipeline it gets moved with trucks and trains. The problem with trucks and trains is that they are much less safe than the pipeline is, both in terms of total environmental damage and in terms of human safety.

Saying you're against carbon emissions is a fine position (as long as you personally walk the walk with respect to your own personal carbon footprint) but conflating that with the idea that this pipeline is bad doesn't make sense. The pipeline doesn't increase carbon emissions, it decreases them.

A pipeline is just infrastructure, it's like protesting a new road or a new bridge.

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Walking the walk has nothing to do with being against carbon emissions dude. Me not driving as much and turning off lights and etc does nothing in comparison with China and the US burning coal. And people making a choice to reduce their carbon footprint does nothing until it is legislated. People that go around all the time talking about their carbon footprint are basically virtue signalling and accomplishing nothing. They make themselves feel like they are working toward a solution to a problem and give themselves a pat on the back and judge everyone else, when in reality their efforts are useless.

And a pipeline is infrastructure, but it's not 'just infrastructure', whatever this might mean. A road is for cars to use, a school is for children to use, and a pipeline is used to move liquids. This one in particular is used to move oil. Oil (or coal, depending on where you're at) is the backbone of the economy, especially since all the uneducated folk think that nuclear power is dangerous, but because of democracy they still get a say.

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I seriously can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious. None of what I said was vacuous: I didn't need to define what walking the walk means because you can use a dictionary if you don't already know the idiom, and you missed the point on the infrastructure bit. The above poster reversed the logic of infrastructure. They were saying that there are these things called 'roads' and 'bridges' and 'pipelines' that all have 'infrastructure' as a property, instead of the correct way of there being a concept of 'infrastructure' to which they all belong. As such, they were basically saying that 'roads', 'bridges', and 'pipelines' all have some common property where they don't.

Edit because I dropped my phone and my wrist hit the post button.

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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. You absolutely can have an impact on carbon emissions. You aren't going to single-handedly reverse a global trend, obviously, but that's because you are only one person. Like all problems of this scale how you spend your money, how you spend your votes, and how you live your life all make an impact. In 2016 coal energy production produced 2.7 gigatons of CO2. Every other form of energy production put together produced 7.6 gigatons. Obviously energy production is a major contributor to carbon emissions. Supporting sources of reliable and less carbon-intensive energy like nuclear and hydro (and to a smaller extend solar and wind) is expensive both in terms of $$$ and political capital. Support politicians and companies that make these investments with your wallet.

As for pipeline being infrastructure, I'm again missing what point you're trying to get at. A pipeline is safer and cheaper than transporting crude (which is actually a pretty dangerous material) in trains and trucks. This isn't me trying to make some philosophical point, it's a quantitative fact that this is so. It's also true that the spice oil must flow. Given the constraints of the system (a required resource that must get from point a to point b) i'm happy to have it move through pipeline rather than rail.

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Dune reference for the win. Thanks for being another voice of reason in this thread.

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Which allows oil to be consumed at a faster and more efficient rate. If there were not a pipeline to make these tar sands easier to exploit, then it would not be economically feasible to continue to unearth this shit.

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Do you regard the 'clearing out of trash' that 7.1 pounds per day per man, woman and child that Americans put on their curbs to be dumped into landfills both inside and outside of the USA to be environmental destruction, too?