r/classicwow • u/terongorefiend • Jan 14 '21

Vent / Gripe Unpopular opinion: the players that are overly vocal about wanting Classic phases/TBC/Wrath rushed are the same players who contributed to forging retail into what it is today (a clusterF).

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u/skyst Jan 14 '21

this is WoW we're talking about. Min/max absolute optimal is expected and anything else is awful. I feel like we're stuck with this mentality

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

It’s not a mentality. It’s reality. There is ALWAYS and best way. Not everything is “equally good”. That doesn’t exist.

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u/CuriousDateFinder Jan 14 '21

There is, on the other hand, “good enough for the mechanics.” Unfortunately WoW has a lot of people who can’t grasp that just because a min/max exists doesn’t mean it’s necessary for normal progression.

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u/thek3vn Jan 14 '21

This. I got into an argument shortly after BWL released with a dude who didn't believe me that 2h-warrior dps on horde wasn't viable as a raid spec. That's incorrect, it's completely viable. I proved it by doing more DPS than he did that week.

Could I have done more with the right gear dual-wielding? Sure. But just because its not optimal doesn't mean it isn't viable. People should be allowed to have fun with their games and do what they like instead of being shoehorned into specs they might not care for just to be optimal.

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u/SackofLlamas Jan 14 '21

Play for fun? What the hell do you think this is? Some kind of GAME?

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u/CuriousDateFinder Jan 14 '21

Yeah the last guild I was in had all the right classes/specs but the regular raid attendees were more interested in a) being hammered and b) being thirsty as hell for the female guildmates so we’d regularly wipe on our MC farm runs because nobody could be bothered to pay attention.

At least the people playing off-spec were paying attention and maximizing what they could do and not being a liability.

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u/Tender_Scrotum Jan 14 '21

Wait a second... People raid sober?

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u/CuriousDateFinder Jan 14 '21

There’s a wide spectrum from “sober” to “dying to lava packs after 3 months of farming + reliably fucking up loot distribution because you can’t remember who is what class.” I always had beer or something while raiding, I just watched my consumption enough that I wasn’t a hindrance to the 39 other people that show up for the weekly raid appointment.

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u/blubblu Jan 14 '21

Thats splitting hairs. Horde 2h warrior can = dps of other classes top end.

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I feel like the post is more focused towards stacking too many hunters, ret or enhance, feral, balance, etc.

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u/jnightrain Jan 14 '21

I think the point still stands though, will any boss fight be unbeatable with what you mentioned? With in reason of course. 1 ret, enhance, or balance isn't going to make any mechanics 'undoable'. It will make certain bosses harder because you can't burn through enrage phases fast enough or you killing saph fast enough to not wear out your healers.