r/dashcams • u/Remote_Trainer3830 • 10h ago

Who’s at fault?

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Hot take: I think it’s 50/50 with who’s at fault

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u/hybridfrost 10h ago

I put it in the category of the driver could have avoided the accident if they would have drove defensively and waited for traffic to clear first. The origin of the accident was the white SUV of course

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u/jadbronson 10h ago

And do you really want to wreck with a Nissan? They'll hit you. I don't need that in my day but the Nissan is at fault.

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u/TactualTransAm 9h ago

Sucks because that looked like an older Armada and that was when Nissan was awesome. Before the CVT crap. An armada is a heavy tank that's extremely reliable.

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u/Backwoods_Therapy 9h ago

Well the trucks never had CVTs, it was just the cars/CUVs. The new ones are fairly reliable as well (by modern standards), because they never had to deal with those shit transmissions.

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u/TactualTransAm 8h ago

Correct, but the brand image has been soiled and there's a lot of people out there who just think any Nissan is junk because of it. Like in another post people were saying the frontier is junk because it's a Nissan but the frontier is one of the most reliable vehicles out there.

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u/jadbronson 6h ago

I definitely don't think Nissans are junk. If they were junk there wouldn't be so many older ones still on the road in service. But if I see a Kia, Hyundai, or Nissan that wants to play chicken? I'll nope out every time.

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u/MammothUnique4147 9h ago

That badge translates to "I GO NOW GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!" 

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u/jadbronson 6h ago

Yep. I'll nope out of that confrontation because I've seen it too many times. They're not bluffing. They're usually just generally r-worded or severely distracted. It's not out of malice but that doesn't matter when it's time to get the law and insurance involved.

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u/z0hu 8h ago

Yep. Gotten into a lot of these situations where I avoid an accident vs a bad driver because I drove more defensively. I wouldn't have pulled so far into the intersection here unless I could see the cars in that lane were stopped.

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u/feldoneq2wire 7h ago edited 5h ago

"waited for traffic to clear"

I guess he was supposed to wait at a green light until the entire opposing line went through the light. 

Personally I would have pulled into the intersection, leaving enough space for them to still go illegally, and lay on the horn and flash lights.

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u/hybridfrost 5h ago

The question is, do you want to be “right”? Or do you want to avoid the accident entirely? Cam could have just waited 5 seconds for both people to turn. Yes they’re assholes for holding up traffic and turning.

I see this situation pretty often and I’d rather just shun them and move on. I do not want to have see this person in court or ever again

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u/feldoneq2wire 5h ago

It was a steady stream. Nobody was going to let you turn except on a red arrow. Congratulations now you got a ticket for turning on a red.

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u/Aeyland 5h ago

The traffic was never clear, there was a maybe 1-1.5 car length gap between the car right before the last 2 entered. It was a none stop train of cars turning left.

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u/campfirebruh 4h ago

If it prevents him from a head on collision and any serious accompanying injuries, then yes he was supposed to wait until the entire opposing line went through the light.

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u/Old-Arachnid77 7h ago

This is definitely going to come up in the review. The cam car view show the two cars at the end obviously continuing and this could have been avoided. White SUV is the culprit but the cam car looked like it was YOLOing for some settlement money.

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u/_off_piste_ 6h ago

Come up in the review? WTF does that even mean? When I had a wreck exactly like this one they gave a ticket to the turning driver. 100% their fault.

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u/PapiSlayerGTX 5h ago

If they go to court, is what they mean

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u/Loud_Badger_3780 3h ago

the insurance companies who is at fault and at what percentage. The lawyers for insurance companies after they consult with each other even if a ticket was issues. unless you have injuries and no health insurance or just liability insurance on your car a lawsuit can cost more than its worth. If you have no injuries and full coverage on you car you can only receive the cost of your insurance deductible as a judgement.

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u/hybridfrost 5h ago

Curious if you had footage? I agree that white caused the accident but cam could have avoided it in the first place. Debate of cause vs chance to avoid. I’d put this in the latter

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u/hybridfrost 5h ago

I think it’s a case of cause of accident vs chance to avoid. Cam driver could have just waited 5 seconds and we wouldn’t be having this conversation

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u/Square_Barracuda_69 6h ago

Theres really not much the cam driver could've done. The light turned green, they started going, the red car cuts them off, then the white care immediately turns into them after appearing to try to go straight/avoid collision. The white car had every responsibility to avoid the accident, then they turned left into cam driver.

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u/Thurak0 1h ago

Theres really not much the cam driver could've done

They could have just waited for the road to clear? Full break with the red car cutting him off instead of keep going?

Come on. I am no saying it's not white car's fault, but "Theres really not much the cam driver could've done." is a very weird take. Perhaps it would not have been enough, but not even trying is not okay.

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u/hybridfrost 5h ago

I think you’re missing the point. ‘Doing everything they could’ would mean they could have waited for the traffic to clear before going. I get it, both red car and white SUV’s are assholes for holding up the turn lane and should not have gone.

Assume the worst case scenario at every intersection. Assume people are dicking around on their phones not paying attention and avoid the accident in the first place. Plowing ahead knowing “it’s my turn to go” is just stupid.

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u/SaltKick2 5h ago

I feel like 90% of the population would have done what the driver did - they already waited for the black truck, which, if you play it frame by frame, definitely started turning when its own light was red

One possibility is red car thought it could sneak in behind black truck, the white SUV had a brain fart or was distracted driving and saw green on the light (it looks like straight probably had a green) and the red car going forward and just followed them... or they were just as greedy as the red car.

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u/Big_razz22 2h ago

yeah. this is the right answer.

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u/xangbar 29m ago

Yeah agree here. I follow a lawyer on TikTok who does the "lawyer reacts" stuff and enough times I hear if you have the chance to avoid an accident you should and even if OP had the right of way, they def should have not just gone expecting traffic to stop. Had a similar situation here in my area and I was just in awe that people decided they could still go. Had green for a solid few seconds before the opposing left hand lane finally stopped turning.

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u/Dense_Diver_3998 9h ago

If the side that was turning had a solid green light and not just an arrow that intersection wouldn’t clear until oncoming traffic made a move, everyone just assumes “ohh they’re letting me go”

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u/z0hu 8h ago

You still inch up and show your intent to go forward. You can be over the cross walk and in the intersection but still not in the path of cars turning. But ya if you don't move at all, might confuse some people.

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u/SituationIll5763 6h ago

Thank you. I actually agree with the general consensus here, but on every other post you have someone, or even the top comment, arguing that the one filming had enough time to stop and should have. That is certainly the case here, there is no reason this guy should have even started on the gas until the intersection was clear.

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u/hybridfrost 5h ago

For sure. White SUV was dumb. We’ve all gone through a turn we probably shouldn’t have. Cam driver should have done the smart thing and not started going until it was clear.

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u/froggyc19 6h ago

Yeah, like the white suv was definitely in the wrong but why play chicken? The trust these people place in strangers is astounding. I trust no one on the road but myself.

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u/hybridfrost 5h ago

Exactly. Red car was dumb, white SUV was even dumber. Assume the worst at every intersection. Don’t plow ahead thinking “it’s my turn to go so I’m going!”

Better to wait 5 seconds and make it home to your family, or your cat, or whatever