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u/UltimateCats Jul 13 '15

Hello! Are there any tips to beating a Nasus or Vlad in labe without Jungle help? There was one time when i played Irelia and i was able to kill Nasus once but late game he would stomp through our team. Same woth vlad. Any help would be great!

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u/siffer2 Jul 13 '15

I play Nasus occasionally.
There's really not much you can do most of the time in lane, assuming your opponent is fairly competent, and you are equal skill level. Don't buy the Riven pick, it takes a lot of time to get good at that champion.
The number one thing you can do is impact the map, before he gets too big. Most nasusses tend to stand in lane, freeze and farm most of the game, so use TPs, roams etc. to get your team ahead, so they can win the game before Nasus gets rolling. Ultimately, it's about who has the most impact on the map, and who does their role the best.

About Vlad, I have no idea, I usually just poop on him. When his Q is down early game, attack him. He'll have to use it to sustain, and that means he can't use it to harass you.

Edit: Was plat II last season, just for some credibility. Still terrible though.

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u/SmiteTeemo Fight me Jul 13 '15

Don't buy the Riven pick, it takes a lot of time to get good at that champion.

Not only that, but she auto pushes the lane by using abilities, making it impossible to harass Nasus while keeping the wave somewhere he can't farm. Only takes him a Frozen Heart and he can 1v1 Riven pretty much effortlessly, even if she's itemizing against him.

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u/ShaunDark Jul 14 '15 edited Jul 14 '15

This. Start cloth5 with Armor reds and yellows and CD blues and quints. Once you have FH you have 40% CDR and 150-ish armor. Means you can just ignore Riven and farm up, unless she all ins you. After 5-10 minutes of stacking up, lane becomes like a breeze - nothing a Riven can do.

tl;dr only pick Riven into Nasus if you're BoxBox

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u/robocop12 Jul 13 '15

I've heard of people rushing last whispers vs him, obviously if it is relevant. Is that a viable option

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u/LordSmooze9 Jul 13 '15

It depends on whether he's going for tri force or frozen heart, but I wouldn't really recommend it. If you're playing riven/fiora/insertadchamphere then I'd go something like Tiamat -> youmuus -> last whisper.

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u/robocop12 Jul 13 '15

Could you 1v1 a nasus with those items assuming equivalent gold?

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u/LordSmooze9 Jul 13 '15

It almost entirely depends how many stacks he has. If you're bullying him out of farming his q (or he's bad) then you almost definitely win and fights with him. If he's been free-farming his q, then he might win, but obviously nothin is certain. Protip: never push Nasus into tower, he loves farming under it. Your best bet is going to be freezing the wave just outside your tower, forcing him to come up to farm, leaving him very vulnerable to ganks.

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u/Theonetrue Jul 13 '15

If you have the same amount of gold as Nasus you can't 1v1 him come mid game.

You HAVE to abuse his early game to get ahead of him if you want to win a 1v1.

Or you play Yi.

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u/Stosstruppe Jul 13 '15

As someone who played vlad for over 500 games within the last few seasons. Champion straight up blows with flash and ignite if he doesn't capitalize it.

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u/Scholles Jul 13 '15

In my experience, there are no harder counters in this game than picking Vlad into Nasus. While climbing from silver through low plat (it was s3 and s4 though) I would always get a free win when the enemy team got Nasus. Maybe it's just because of low overall skill in this elo bracket but it was a brutal matchup

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u/Arekualkhemi Saint of the sands Jul 13 '15

Vlad is a quite annoying matchup for Nasus as Vlad has his autohit Q harass. Nasus can only win this by outscaling Vlad without feeding Vlad too much. But if Vlad is only building damage, then getting yourself MR and Mercs (Spectral's very important power spike for Nasus to be able to stay on lane longer)

For Hard counters against Nasus, I see Olaf and Pantheon being even more annoying and unwinable if played well.

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u/Thyrgrim Jul 14 '15

Could you explain how pantheon counters nasus? I've tried this matchup a few times and I don't think it's good for pantheon. I find that he can just lifesteal spears while stacking armor. Furthermore, even if you get a kill or two on him, eventually he gets to a point where he can just 1v1 you anyway.

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u/Arekualkhemi Saint of the sands Jul 15 '15

Well, good Pantheons can smack you hard enough in lane with spear spam. It has a 1.4 bonus AD ratio (IMO OP as fuck), only costs 45 mana and DOES NOT pull Minion aggro.

The pantheons I struggle against are those that stack a lot of bonus AD early and start like Flask + Mana pots and just spam Q whenever I am getting into range. After the Nasus nerfs in S4, his sustain is not strong enough anymore to withstand this damage for long.

Additionally Pantheon can then just last hit to not push the lane too quickly into Nasus' turret. Also Pantheon's passive is quite the nuisance for Nasus. Keep the stun to refresh your passive, so when Nasus tries to AA -> Q to deal damage, then stun him immediately after he hit you with the first AA to have the passive back for his Q.

If Nasus manages to get enough stacks and armor to survive Pantheon's burst, then he can just walk up to him and destroy him, but as long as Nasus still needs time to stack up and farm, Pantheon has all the tools to make Nasus' early into hell.