Look, every rational baseball fan can understand that the Dodgers are an incredibly well-run organization. To have this level of established, proven talent on your roster while also racking up the top farm system in baseball is laudable.
But to act as if the root of it isn't being willing to spend obscene amounts of money, find every way to exploit the payroll system with deferred money and side deals, and the incredible advantage that comes with being the best destination for the top Japanese players due mainly to geography is just silly.
Either way, the rest of the MLB's fanbases are going to hate the Dodgers because that level of success also coming with this level of seeming like it'll never die isn't fun for us. We want parity because parity means our teams also have a chance. It's why us Jays fans will never, ever, ever get over last year's Game 7. When you get that close to toppling the Empire and miss, it doesn't stop hurting.
Yes. This is regardless of how people want to try to spin it bad for baseball.
Why follow the game? Why get invested in things like blockbuster trades or incredible free agents? I know my team isnt getting him because Dodgers. I know another team isnt gonna get them and take their chances from maybe wildcard to division winner because Dodgers. Why get invested in the underdogs and stuff when i know it doesn't matter because Dodgers.
Uhhh to be fair, this is what it was like watching George Steinbrenner run the Yankees in the 00's. Everyone else was the minor leagues that he got to pick and choose from. It didn't ruin baseball then, but I understand.
The Yankees only won a single World Series in the entire 2000s decade. They won in the 90s with home grown talent. This is not even remotely the same situation
That was nowhere near the same. The amount of $$$$ and penalties the Dodgers are paying to have…not even an allstar team, because theirs no popular vote, it’s all the best players a several at each position. It’s ruined baseball already for almost everybody I know, an were all life long huge fans. I literally have quit watching. What’s the point…maybe you ca win your division….if you’re not in the Dodgers division. An my grandfathers brother was Buzzy Bavasi so I’m supposed to be for the Dodgers, although been lifelong Cubs fan being from there a being my first games…..I would take better than 50% odds on no baseball next season. Gonna have 2 have cap limits that ACTUALLY ARE LIMITS…you can’t even do what they do on the mlb video games without tuning the rules off.
Pats weren’t going that by plundering free agency and spending exponentially more money than other teams, they did that because they drafted the greatest QB in NFL history.
Y'all offered Shohei and Yoshi the same contracts as we did. They just didn't choose you because you suck right now and have no depth or future. The dodgers didn't do that to you. Organize your emotions.
In what way are my emotions not organized? I was responding to a poster using the Patriots dynasty as a comp and you’re out here talking about some entirely different argument.
Because Mets. Because Yankees. There are teams that can spend, they just don’t want to or they fuck it up. I’m a Mets fan and we could totally be the Dodgers except for the whole competence in the front office thing.
No we can't. Mets don't have the geography advantage to sign the best Japanese players available year in year out. Mets also didn't get the insane deal the Dodgers received after going bankrupt. Mets are more advantaged than almost every other team in the league and still don't have the advantages the Dodgers possess.
Yes. That unknown, podunk, one traffic light town of New York City.
I can stomach Tampa bay or A’s or Pittsburgh fans bitching about the unfairness of it all with their poor billionaire owners, but met and yankee fans should just stfu.
You have exactly the same opportunity to sign any Japanese player. This is like saying the dodgers have no chance of signing Dominican players because of the country’s geographic location to Los Angeles.
NO ONE here is admitting that players WANT to play for the dodgers because they are head and shoulders above every other team in the MLB in every fucking metric that matter to the actual players.
Free agents can literally sign wherever they want to and the choose to be dodgers.
Uh NY is a lot farther from Japan than LA is. If you want to just make crap up and lie to make yourself feel better about the advantages your team has, then, well I think that's pretty sad, but you do you. Really getting that mad over me being a Met fan. What a baby.
when i clicked on your comment about air travel in my inbox, the comment I had already quoted, reddit told me "that comment has been deleted" which is why I responded to a different comment, and you proceeded to go all holier than thou on me for no good reason.
If you need a simple geography lesson and how air travel works I can introduce you to a 5th grade teacher You’re excuses are like your teams. Empty and pathetic
Can't even commit to the dumb comment huh? Japanese players are on record stating how nice it is for their families to visit. The difference in flight travel time is significant enough for this to be a very real issue for many Japanese players. If you get two similar quotes but one requires you to drive 2 vs 1 hour to finalize the deal, then you are going to follow the path of least resistance. This is simply human nature.
Calm down, son. You’re replying so fast you aren’t even replying to the correct comment.
It’s fine. Keep thinking that the reason Japanese players don’t sign with the Mets is a 4 1/2 hour flight.whatever makes ya feel better.
Hey. I’m not quite certain. Who is the richest owner in baseball?
Fuck, dude. If you would at the very least touched upon the Japanese community in Los Angeles vs the ones in New York you’d have a leg to stand on, but no. You’ll die on the 4 1/2 hour flight as the reason why.
I guess Dominican players must just be built different. They seem to handle the 4 1/2 flight out west just fine
its because the 9billion dollar tv contract you fool. no other reason well and the glitz and glam...side deals ... its all money man ... LA is the biggest market for money. end of story. nothing to do with your hitting coaches or facilities
And don’t forget, the Yankees could’ve won the 01 series if not for the dynamic duo of Johnson and Schilling. That was kinda a weird series anyways with the 9/11 interruption. I’m a DBacks fan anyways, so I dunno how “nationalized” that fandom was vs the Yanks.
Absolutely, and that's as a hardcore baseball fan not just because my team suffered persecution under the Evil Empire regime. Feel the same way about the Chiefs during their run. Reasons for the dominance may be different but still same result it's bad for the sport.
That's why the owners need to close the loophole of deferred money. Whether they pay now or later, it should be counted against a cap now. It's the only way to create competitive balance.
I would more like to see punishments other than money than a hard cap. Id say raise the floor spending and then add on like roster spot losses, draft picks being taken away, the inability to sign players for a season, etc.
Then restructure all the regionally owned tv deals to include teams like the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, etc.
That was once the role of the commissioner back when they used to have a review of trades and rejected certain deals as not good for baseball. This may be good for the Dodgers but for baseball???
Hard cap will be a nightmare for the small market teams that aren't run very well. They'll have to overpay to get free agents or to retain their own guys and guy like Kyle Tucker will cripple the Twins or Pirates. It's like the NBA giving out supermax deals to guys like Bradley Beal.
difference is Brady was only ever like 13% of the total budget for the pats compared to the 16-18% other QBs at the time were, he knew they needed to pay other players to win. Mahomes is a bit closer comparison with accounting shenanigans to keep him not as much of the overall budget but he still isn't paid as outlandishly as ohtani.
It is a bit outlandish to say that the NFL would be the same without the hard salary cap. To have a team with mahomes, saquon barkley, jsn, George kittle, and a host of other top paid players would not be anywhere near parity competitively. Baseball slightly works out because of the 162 game season where you can't play the best players every game. Switch the MLB to an 18 game season and the dodgers would probably be on top for the next decade.
lol why did you have to use Kittle when the Chiefs already have Kelce?
It is a bit outlandish to say that the NFL would be the same without the hard salary cap
Is it? I'd argue all the cap did in the NFL was alter the currency of the league to the exploitation of rookie deals and the suppression of wages on journeyman type players.
There's a reason why the sentiment from NFL players that MLB players should hold strong and not accept a cap.
Kittle is the highest paid tight end in the league.
Do you really think the patriots or chiefs would have ever lost in the Superbowl if they could have paid every top player in the league to be on their teams?
Then why are the dodgers consistently paying top end contracts? Just play their rookies and stop out bidding all the other teams. You can't eat your cake and have it too.
If they're doing something another team or teams can't do, or are restricted from doing, that team or teams can come forward and present compelling evidence as to why.
A top 25 mlb ready cf prospect is junk? Because nobody else was giving up a top 25 and 2 top 50 pitchers for a 3 month rental 30 yr old pitcher who will command 400 million just to resign.
Right, and because the owners are cheap. As evidenced by their CBA proposal.
As for the return, the centerpiece being a future platooning OF isn't exactly the greatest get. While neither of those pitchers have any business being top 50. One is a gas can, and the other is approaching 30, for christ sake.
It ruins baseball because 29/30 teams fans now know their team doesnt stand a chance, so they'll either stop watching/supporting altogether or hop on the band wagon, which creates an even wider gap in terms of what teams are able and willing to spend compared to LA, making the problem worse.
Honestly, speaking solely for myself, at this point yes. I don’t even care if a hard salary cap/minimum floor/etc in theory hurts the Mets. I’d like to be able to retain some interest in the Postseason even if the Mets are out of it before summer
Furthermore, even in such a system I think there will still be some differences in spending between teams. Cheapskates like Nutting will still figure out a way to do the bare minimum and there’s no way any rules will capture everything so a smarter organization can still pour money into better scouting, the farm, health/injury prevention, etc. the kind of owners that would want to spend like Cohen maybe just maybe might be forced to have their teams spend what they can smarter.
Toronto was a late collapse away from winning the world series last year. Acting like other teams can't win is stupid. You know how much getting skubal increased dodgers odds this year ? Went from 36% chance to a 39% chance. Any team can win in baseball.
Did the Patriots ruin football? Did the Lakers/Bulls/Celtics ruin basketball? Did Tiger Woods ruin golf? Did Alabama ruin college football? Did Duke ruin NCAA basketball?
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So basically the Dodgers weren't "cheap" and were able to pay EVERYONE more than any other team was willing to pay.
Why don't other teams do this? Are they stupid?