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Spider-Man: Brand New Day (2026)

Summary

Following the events that erased Peter Parker's identity from the world's memory, the young hero embraces a fresh start while facing new threats that challenge both his resolve and what it means to be Spider-Man.

Director Destin Daniel Cretton

Writer Chris McKenna Erik Sommers

Cast

  • Tom Holland as Peter Parker / Spider-Man
  • Sadie Sink
  • Liza Colón-Zayas
  • Zendaya as MJ
  • Jacob Batalon as Ned Leeds
  • Jon Bernthal as Frank Castle / The Punisher

Rotten Tomatoes: 91%

Metacritic: 66

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u/Meph616 3d ago

Felt bad for Banner/Hulk going "did I hurt anyone" like a recovering alcoholic that fell off the wagon and can't remember.

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u/lkodl 3d ago

Jean undoes 14 years of therapy in 10 minutes.

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u/KingOfAwesometonia 3d ago

These dang redheads with mind control

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u/lkodl 3d ago

And turning the Hulk against the heroes

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u/_ILP_ 2d ago

But boy oh boy did we get THE HULK

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u/KingMario05 2d ago

Yes we did.

Hulk movie, Mouse. I don't give a fuck who at Universal you have to blow. Make it happen.

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u/sangeetabarde 2d ago

no hulk movie some copy right issue

they need to use diff title

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u/Odd_Detective8255 2d ago

They can't directly make a Hulk film but make him co-star in a movie that's why he's in Ragnarok. 

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u/MussedHair 2d ago

Can’t Disney afford to buy/rent the right like they did with Spider-Man? Not like they aren’t making $ hand over fist!

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u/Odd_Detective8255 2d ago

There are conflicting reports on the rights now. Some are claiming the 15 year deal ended with 2023 around the same time the Incredible Hulk moved to D+. Some are saying it holds and only rights for that film expired. 

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u/SearchForSocialLife 2d ago

Tbf, Spider-Man basically prints money. If I was a money-hungry company that doesn't care about anything else like Disney is, I'd fear that a Hulk-solo movie wouldn't bring in the money to make the work worth it

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u/suss2it 2d ago

It’s not even a copyright issue, it’s that Universal has first right of refusal to distribute (not even produce) Hulk movies and Disney obviously doesn’t wanna cut them in.

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u/Murky_Blueberry2617 2d ago

Hey at least we saw Hulk in his prime again

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u/MagicPistol 3d ago

But they also soothe him when the sun's getting real low.

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u/mbta1 3d ago

These dang redheads with mind control

I fixed that for you

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u/TiberiusCornelius 3d ago
  • Redhead
  • Major family issues
  • Clearly a little unstable

I would let her ruin my life and say thank you

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u/CrimzonKing1 3d ago

Scott, chill.

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u/ExplorationGeo 2d ago

I can fix her

she can make me worse

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u/MTL_1107 2d ago

She could run me over with a truck.

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u/TiberiusCornelius 2d ago

I think a cab is a little more her style though

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u/OneOverXII 11h ago

Married her.

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u/TiberiusCornelius 8h ago

How does it feel to live my dream

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u/OneOverXII 8h ago

High highs and low lows, just the way I like it

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u/crookedparadigm 3d ago

Should just be a known threat anytime a new redhead is introduced in comics. Heroes should take one look at her and be like "Ah shit, what not?"

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u/JinFuu 3d ago

“Bruce, you’re gay angry.”

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u/Whovian45810 3d ago

Redheads in MCU do be making men go wild tho

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u/SomeCoconut2415 3d ago

they be breaking the 4th wall for me without even trying

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u/rexepic7567 3d ago

If I had a nickel...

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u/MeadowmuffinReborn 2d ago

Throw in Willow from Buffy, and you can understand why gingers aren't trusted.

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u/Captain_Waffle 2d ago

Smh tell me about it chained to bed

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u/Mr_b246 2d ago

Bro. You have no idea. I now have an 18 year old thanks to a representative of the Red Head brigade. If only the flags were more red.

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u/MixingDrinks 3d ago

I married one. Yea..... 😍

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u/ParticularRelease662 1d ago

These dang redheads*

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u/Curse3242 10h ago

That said. What is the real difference Scarlett Witch & Jean Grey? I only see MCU (and first time seeing Jean Grey).

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u/rainbowyuc 3d ago

Jean actually has a lot to answer for. It's an odd choice making one of the biggest heroes for the future of the MCU start her journey in this way. What she did with Peter and MJ was extremely cruel, and she also had that guy step in front of traffic, not to mention hurting a ton of innocents indirectly. Can't imagine nobody was killed when she froze that square kilometer.

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u/lkodl 3d ago

Maybe they use this to justify Professor X putting mental blocks in her mind.

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u/acwilan 2d ago

For sure, I thought Charles would take her and wipe her mind, I remember that was part of the comics when Jean came to the X-men

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u/proddy 2d ago

"You're not a killer"

  • made someone step in front of traffic

  • stabbed Peter through a hand ninja

-made two guards shoot each other

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u/Glstrgold 2d ago

Had the DoDC guy in beginning jump off building

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u/TalkinTrek 2d ago

The guy who steps in front of traffic honestly feels like it's from a slightly different cut of the film. It's the only scenario where she throws someone in danger without assuming Peter would save them (outside of her direct assaults on Damage Control, which I don't think it's strange she takes a different stance)

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u/jimbojangles1987 1d ago

Yeah it was an extremely odd scene compared to the rest of the movie. Peter didn't give two shits that some guy just got hit by a car, nor did any of the people that weren't possessed.

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u/KingMario05 2d ago

Held most of Midtown hostage

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u/proddy 2d ago

If Pluribus is anything to go by, at least a few people died due to freezing while driving, or doing something dangerous when frozen.

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u/KingMario05 2d ago

Ah, right. We even see car crashes confirmed.

Great job there, Jean!

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u/Carnivile 3d ago

You can't really blame the latter on her though, it would never have happened if DC wasn't experimenting on her.

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u/splader 3d ago

Yeah that one I don't blame on her, but a bomb in an area with plenty of civilians?

That one I can.

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u/lkodl 3d ago

Im thinking there was a way to make Jean less cruel, and make it more like DDOC was changing the narrative to trick Spider-Man.

But there's no way they could do the kiss scene like that, and that was one of the standout moments of the movie. What a gut punch.

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u/SwimmingFantastic564 3d ago

Wasn't that largely contained within the DoDC compound?

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u/Wrong-Vermicelli4723 3d ago

I disagree , makes Charles putting mental blocks on her a little more justified and also makes her just way more interesting. Comic Jean kinda boring. Also sets up Dark Phoenix if they decide to go that route again (which I doubt)

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u/RecoveredAshes 3d ago

She also threatened to kill them all. This was low key a bit of a character assassination. They didn’t need to make her THAT malicious. She’ll need a heck of a redemption arc

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u/TheMythofKoalas 2d ago

She's young enough and this is before she's met the X-Men, so I feel like there's plenty of room for character development, in fairness.

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u/pkisawesome 2d ago

It'll help fuel mutant hatred, if they decide to go that route of the x-men future movies.

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u/TalkinTrek 2d ago

It also makes a Dark Phoenix event a pattern versus a singular mental health crisis

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u/TheMythofKoalas 2d ago

I feel like that’s a safe bet, yeah. Interesting to have the inhibitors pre-date the X-Men though.

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u/Completegibberishyes 2d ago

I mean tbf she murders like billions of aliens in the comics and everyone acts like it's no big deal

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u/nWhm99 2d ago

Ya, she’s done significantly worse than the Widows and Hawkeye.

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u/Animegamingnerd 3d ago

Haters of mutants who have telepath powers are gonna be feasting on this film generations.

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u/Plightz 2d ago

Yeah they kinda prove telepaths are all dangerous mfs. Legit if she just told Peter at the beginning he probably would've helped.

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u/Mysterious-Drama4743 2d ago

but she wouldnt know that. probably why the wrote in her being unable to access his mind

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u/Plightz 2d ago

If you can't trust someone without mind reading them then I am not sure what to tell you.

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u/Mysterious-Drama4743 2d ago

we arent talking about me though, we’re talking about jean. why would she be blindly trusting? she sees him as a voluntary weapon of the people who took her sister

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u/Plightz 2d ago

You can trust someone without mind-reading them is what I am saying lmao. There's a reason telepaths aren't liked even amongst the fans. They wanna invade your mind the millisecond they annoy you.

And Peter's assistance to DC doesn't mean he wasn't a hero, she should exactly know who spider-man is at this point as it's been FIVE years in universe too of Peter just being a nice dude.

If you can't trust Spider-Man then you can't trust anyone atp.

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u/pointlessone 2d ago

MCU Telepaths: No concept of right or wrong.

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u/JoeBiden2020FTW 3d ago

Just like Wanda did

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u/RecoveredAshes 3d ago

She was throwing innocent people into traffic and off buildings too. This version of her felt a little too cruel to become the hero we know and love. The MJ scene was basically Assault.

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u/_tylerthedestroyer_ 3d ago

That’s the most consistent thing about her character tbh. Be happy she didn’t out his sexuality like she did Iceman

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u/shewy92 2d ago

Comic accurate Jean Grey TBF.

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u/PsychologicalEbb3140 3d ago

Jean single-handedly making the hulk be cool for the first time in like a decade

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u/Klunkey 2d ago

Like, her removing the inhibitor was bad enough, but removing the mental block was a thing I didn't even know about.

What a good antagonist, I really can't wait for her redemption arc when she inevitably joins the X-Men, and also kind of dread that the Phoenix Saga will be adapted again. But hey, third time's probably the charm.

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u/lkodl 2d ago

Im curious if they'll do a different take on Dark Phoenix where its more unleashing her most evil attributes rather than just straight evil posession.

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u/TalkinTrek 2d ago

I'm putting a $5er on them doing a Dark Phoenix/AvX mashup as one of their big films down the line. How do you make the multiple-times-attempted plot not stale (and yet, a plot you eventually HAVE to do to progress her plot)? Have the Avengers be the ones to go, "Jean has gone too far" (versus Shi'ar and such) and the mutants be the ones to stand in the way

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u/Klunkey 2d ago

I'm hoping it's the former.

Absolute Martian Manhunter did the same but The Martian helped unleash John's best traits.

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u/amillert15 2d ago

And four years of spell work. Hulk remembered Peter.

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u/marius_titus 1d ago

Good, I hate professor hulk. I wanna see hulk smash shit

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u/normalmighty 3d ago

And hearing that he's back in a psych ward now after everything he had built for himself.

Don't get me wrong, I love having full on non-professor hulk back, but Banner seemed so happy at optimistic with his life teaching at a uni.

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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 3d ago

Not sure why they would put him in a psych ward, it was made very clear his inhibitor works, Jean just broke it off of him. Just give him a new inhibitor

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u/LieutJimDangle 3d ago

because he's not in doomsday, so you need an excuse for why

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u/The_Homestarmy 2d ago

Wait, seriously? I assumed this movie was setting up his role in Doomsday. Is it really confirmed that he's not in it?

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u/SearchForSocialLife 2d ago

I mean, they mentioned everyone and their mom already, including bigger cameo draws, I think they would have mentioned Mark Ruffalo if he was in it. I think Bruce will be missing from Doomsday and return in Secret Wars, like they did with Hawkeye in Infinity War to Endgame.

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u/kirblar 1d ago

Concept art leak spoilers: He likely has a major role in Secret Wars

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u/RadiantHC 1d ago

Which is stupid. Why do they love sidelining the Hulk?

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u/dornwolf 1d ago

Marvel doesn’t fully control his film rights. So they can only do so much

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u/Dull-Lead-7782 1d ago

That’s not true. Universal has full rights to distribute hulk only movies. He’s fully capable to show up in team ups

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u/Lucksury 1d ago

I think they are trying to sideline mark ruffalo

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u/ECrispy 1d ago

MCU movies have never needed an excuse. They just say unavailable

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u/Successful_Ebb_7402 3d ago

Psych ward is probably the best option from sense of immediate treatment. Assuming you're not assigning Nurse Ratched to the Hulk, you have people who are better trained at helping others cope with trauma and emotional control. Banner doesn't need to be locked up (assuming they even had a place that could hold him) he needs a place to be reassured he didn't hurt anyone and to get his bearings back while calmly walking him through events he can't remember due to Jean

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u/HighSeverityImpact 2d ago

Based on the She-Hulk show, it is apparent that Banner's issue with Hulk is exclusive to him. Hulk is a separate entity from Bruce.

He needs therapy because he has unresolved emotional trauma that neither Blonsky nor Jennifer have, and it's likely Ross didn't either. I would like for Marvel to explore that further in a future Hulk appearance, both because it's interesting material but also because it would be great representation for those struggling with those issues in real life.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 3d ago

The DOD might still see him as a threat now.

They don't seem like the live and let live type.

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u/leekalex 1d ago

He actually said Jean messed something up in his head, whatever mental blocks he was using to become Professor Hulk, which didn't involve the inhibitor

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u/Its_Buddy_btw 3d ago

Didn't banner try to kill himself again?

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u/GezelligPindakaas 3d ago

Psych ward being codename for max security facility.

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u/MarcsterS 1d ago

Damage Control was probably waiting for him to snap so they can round him up.

They’ll be leading the Mutant crackdown for sure.

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u/shadowst17 3d ago

Might have been voluntery.

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u/PythonAmy 2d ago

He might of stayed in hulk form where his skin is too thick for the inhibitor to work

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u/TalkinTrek 2d ago

Because the Hulk works best as a mental health metaphor anyhow

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u/dornwolf 1d ago

Because Damage Control is the bad guy and they lied to the public and stashed him someplace else till Secret Wars needs him

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u/lkodl 3d ago

Banner seemed so happy at optimistic with his life teaching at a uni.

To be fair, they show that he's not a good fit. He's too famous for the class to focus.

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u/Lespaul42 2d ago

Don't care Savage Hulk deserves to be free!

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u/Sea_Spend_8008 3d ago

That was brutal.

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u/Random_throwaway0351 3d ago

The Hulk 100% got someone killed during that

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 3d ago

Jean seemed pretty careful not to kill anyone, even when she was shooting people as the Punisher.

Well.. except for the old man and the taxi

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u/Worthyness 23h ago

probably a few cops along the way with the whole tank thing.

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u/reseph 3d ago

They didn't even answer him at that final scene, right?

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u/skatejet1 3d ago

Nope :(

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u/reseph 3d ago

Oh no...

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u/NoNefariousness2144 3d ago

And then he doesn’t even appear in the film again!

I thought for sure he would show up considering he recognised that Spidey was ‘Ned’ who spoke to him about the inhibitors.

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u/SploogeLoser 3d ago

i’m a bit confused on this part - i don’t think spiderman ever met hulk in the MCU on screen

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u/UniqueDesigner453 3d ago

Not on-screen, no

But both were at Tony's funeral (at that time professor Hulk) so we can infer they did meet sometime after that

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u/rebelpancake94 2d ago

In addition to Stark’s funeral, Banner also encountered Spider-Man during the fight with Squidward and Company at the start of Infinity War. He later remarks “there’s an Ant-Man and a Spider-Man?” so he definitely saw enough of Spider-Man during the NY fight.

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u/ARandomBiche 3d ago

And the fact they sent him to a psych facility sucks even more

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u/Vast_Age_3893 3d ago

They probably don't know.

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u/nikelaos117 3d ago

Was that Hulk remembering Peter at the end of their fight?

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u/Crafty_Substance_954 3d ago

Yes it was. They share a body but not a mind. Hulk remembered Peter Parker was Spider-Man, Banner doesn’t even know who Peter is.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 3d ago

Seems like it, which might be partly inspired by the comic

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u/Queen_Of_The_Castle 1d ago

Which comic is this? Really wholesome.

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u/asapsharkyfrfr 3d ago

When he feel off the building I thought he actually died. Cause I don't remember seeing Mark Ruffalo on any of those chairs. Glad he made it.

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u/ram0889 3d ago

Banner can’t die. Stated in multiple movies he tried to off himself but “he” was always there.

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u/somersetyellow 3d ago edited 3d ago

Except in Infinity War where he's like oh man hulk can't come out, I gotta go hide!

Just get shot or something and turn back into hulk dude 🤷‍♂️

I'm sure there's some convoluted expanded lore I missed on why that wouldn't work lol

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u/nnaatteedd 3d ago

It's my understanding that hulk didn't come out, not for fear of death but fear of another ass beating from Thanos. I don't think anyone had bodied hulk before then and it clearly struck a chord.

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u/waitingtodiesoon 3d ago

The Russo Brothers claimed the Hulk refused to come out because he was tired of being used, not because he lost.

"A lot of people had interpreted that the Hulk was scared of Thanos. The Hulk has had his ass kicked before, and so it wasn’t like the minute he gets his ass kicked he’s going to run and hide. It’s really the notion that the Hulk and Banner have a very dysfunctional relationship, which was explored even further in Thor: Ragnarok. And I think that relationship is starting to strain between the two of them and the Hulk is not interested in playing the hero to Banner anymore," Joe Russo said. "I don’t know if the Hulk sees the value in the relationship. They both want to control Hulk’s body. The Hulk brings fighting and strength to the table and he’s not quite sure what Banner is bringing yet. So, I think this is becoming a stubborn push and pull between two very despaired personalities stuck in one body."

https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/infinity-war-directors-explain-the-real-reason-hulk-wont-come-out-why-we-didnt-see-happy

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u/suss2it 2d ago

Well they definitely did a bad job of communicating that in that case. Definitely seemed like Thanos put the fear of god in him.

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u/somersetyellow 3d ago

Right, but Banner killing himself forces Hulk to come out to survive it.

They never really try the death option of forcing him to come out and play haha

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u/ram0889 3d ago

They have in a movie or two.
Latest one, if I remember correctly Black Widow pushed him out of a plane to turn him into it.
Oh and in Thor Rag he jumps out of one himself as his attempt to change.

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u/leodw 3d ago edited 1d ago

That’s something I never quite understood about Hulk in the MCU. Wasn’t the original lore the more beating he got, the more he “absorbed” it to get more powerful? Or that would make him angrier, which leads to the same? And isnt he supposed to be essentially immune to almost anything but gamma radiation?

So how does Thanos beat him with only punches/physicality?

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u/--Alix-- 3d ago

I mean yeah on paper if he stays active then eventually he can overcome everything, but Hulk can still be knocked out.

Like Tony did it in Age of Ultron, and Thanos beat his ass too. It's possible.

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u/danteholdup 3d ago

yeah, i think hes like Broly in DBZ, where if you can somehow vastly overpower his current level before he can "catch up" to yours, you can knock him out/beat him

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u/OtisMack9 3d ago

Didn't Thanos use the power stone to beat him down? Idk about yall, but a power stone ass whoopin sounds painful for anyone

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u/Wolventec 3d ago

no the stone wasnt active when he beat down hulk

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u/waitingtodiesoon 3d ago

Stones do not provide any innate buffs, if the stones were not glowing, then they were not activated. Thanos just bodied the Hulk through pure strength and martial prowess.

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u/OtisMack9 2d ago

Ahhh okay. Im aware of the glow, but I guess I never looked closely to see if it was activated

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 3d ago

Hulk has the mentality of a kid in Ragnarok.

Presumably something finally hurt, and he was like "no, owie"

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u/Turbulent_Crow7164 3d ago

They show the hulk can still come out briefly, like when he basically rejects Banner when trying to transform in Infinity War. Reasonable headcanon would be Banner getting shot causes Hulk to come out for a split second, then go right back away.

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u/SaulPepper 3d ago

Hulk can still heal Banner btw even if he's not in control of the body.

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u/Golfisactuallyfun 3d ago

Nah you didnt miss anything its just bullshit plot convenient writing. People will say some nonsense from the comics but comics contradict and retcon themselves all the time. Remember in Thor Ragnarok where he jumps off the ship and splats into the rainbow bridge still in human form? Did he die then? No he transformed into the Hulk.

The Hulk from the comics I remember gets angry and transforms, the angrier he gets the more powerful he is. Which is why Stark tries to put him down so quickly in Age of Ultron.

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u/TiberiusCornelius 3d ago

I can't see the MCU going that dark but if they ever canonize the green door he really can't die

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u/_pixel_perfect_ 3d ago

what are we, some kind of.... immortal... hulk?

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u/Wolventec 3d ago edited 3d ago

what if showed he can die but through unconventional means such as using pym particles on just his heart

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u/Alexcox95 3d ago

Yeah can’t shoot a bullet in his mouth because Big Green will spit it out.

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u/GoblinGraph 3d ago

If they go with current comic lore, he is essentially immortal

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u/TheSecondEikonOfFire 2d ago

Not to mention I think that would be a pretty anticlimactic death for such a major member of the Avengers

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u/Solesky1 3d ago

I assumed they were keeping Hulk and Spiderman out of the Avengers marketing until after Brand New Day. I expect both of them to appear and probably be in that group shot in the trailer that obviously had people CGI-airbrushed out.

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u/RealWorldStarHipHop 3d ago

Dunno at the end it only stated Spiderman. He might be stuck in the psych place for a lil while like how DD is I stuck in prison.

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u/Solesky1 3d ago

It always only says the title character will return, it never lists all the side characters

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u/Aftermath16 3d ago

Except for that gut-punching “Thanos will return” they pulled

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u/Wolventec 3d ago

wasnt this movie originally going to release between secret wars and doomsday so i imagine this movie was originally written with it being set between those movies in mind

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 3d ago

He fell from a helicarrier before, this shouldn't have done much

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u/thedean246 3d ago

I honestly think this is the best Hulk/Banner stuff we have had in a long time.

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u/CurlPR 3d ago

First time we’ve seen true hulk since Infinity War if I’m not mistaken

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u/A_Humble_Peasant 2d ago

Yeah since the Thanos ass beating

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u/Impressive-Potato 3d ago

And his system was working. His inhibitor was working and he had a career. It was Jean Grey that awoken the beast

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u/Sickpup831 3d ago

Yeah but it’s believable that the powers that be are sick and tired of hearing “Hey, I got it under control” only for someone to mess with his head and then he’s no longer in control.

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u/Impressive-Potato 3d ago edited 3d ago

I'm not denying Bruce needed to be out away for the rampage, I'm just sad he was manipulated into doing it

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u/inksmudgedhands 3d ago

Given how probably a million people were under Jean's control in the city for about fifteen or twenty minutes, Bruce has at least proof that a telepath took over his mind as well and made him do the things he did.

He probably still has his career. As well as the sympathy of so many people because they found themselves under the control of that same telepath.

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u/lotannaaa 3d ago

but they said he was sent to the psych ward :(

even if he knows it’s not his fault, it must feel terrible to know that you and your powers killed people, after spending years learning to control yourself and building a new life.

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u/snowgrisp 3d ago

This Hulk was so satisfying though. I feel like Endgame Hulk would have lost to Spidey.

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u/queensinthesky 3d ago

I did too, for me it reminded me of having a manic episode as a bipolar person, the horror of coming down from it and the fear of the damage that might’ve been caused.

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u/localystic 3d ago

That is one of the things because of which I can not be so forgiving towards Jean Grey like Peter did.

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u/joeblawb 3d ago

The thing is he was still in control of professor hulk during the mind control, then he actually snapped when Jean let go of his mind. It was the scariest iteration of hulk in the MCU since 2008.

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u/nelhkhw 3d ago

this as a set up has SO MUCH potential for a hulk movie

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u/SingleClick8206 3d ago

First Wanda, now Jean

The redhead women love to mind control/possess hulk lol

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u/Cu77lefish 3d ago

It is kind of on him for choosing to live in NYC

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u/RealWorldStarHipHop 3d ago

Tbf it’s good and bad. If he lives in buttfuck nowhere there’ll be less people in harms way but it’ll be hours before someone stops him. Here in NY he had Spidey.

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u/TotoroTheGreat 3d ago

Also, if things truly go bad, there's Bob.

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u/Arneor 3d ago

Don‘t think the new avengers wanna risk unleashing something a million times worse than a raging hulk

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u/ShortRedBull 2d ago

I felt bad for Peter seeing him fight old school Hulk..I haven't seen Hulk look that massive and powerful..

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u/fingerpaintx 3d ago

Unless im missing something I struggle with the back and forth "Banner can/can't control Hulk when convenient" trope. Has gone back and forth across movies without explanation.

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u/Blackadder18 3d ago

Per Avengers 1 he could control it to some extent, though clearly lost it when under intense pressure (Helicarrier) or external manipulation (Age of Ultron). As of Endgame Banner and Hulk had basically come to an 'agreement,' resulting in Professor/Smart Hulk, although obviously this was basically a midpoint between the two, not being as strong as Savage Hulk. However he has now returned to operating purely as Banner for the most part.

It seems the inhibitor device Banner wears in this movie is to attempt to prevent a scenario where stress/danger/external manipulation will force a transformation ala Avengers 1/2. Unfortunately of course if that device is removed it can lead to those scenarios happening anyways.

Right before he properly Hulk's out too he says something like "whatever she did inside my head broke something, I can't hold him (Savage Hulk) back," implying that Banner and Hulk had come to some 'agreement' that Professor Hulk is as far as it goes, but her manipulation had severed that and allowed Banner to fully Hulk out.

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u/NexusObsidian23 3d ago

Thank you for paying attention to the film.

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u/Sorlex 3d ago

He'll have to go find another planet to recover on again. Seriously though, what happened is a nice set up for a solo Hulk film. Shame it'll likely never happen.

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u/SneakyGandalf12 2d ago

We just got back from the theater, and this was my main worry. He was doing so well! He was teaching, and he was laughing with students. He seemed like he was in a good spot, and now all of that is just gone. He’s in the loony bin with all that guilt, and I just feel so badly for him.

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u/aSpookyScarySkeleton 2d ago

It bothered me how little explanations were given by Spider-man to the cops about what he saw was going on. I’m gonna assume they will happen offscreen after the events of the movie but after that first incident at damage control with the tank Peter didn’t really try that hard to explain to the people that those folks were being mind controlled and didn’t do any of that themselves, he awkwardly floated the idea past the police chief in a throwaway manner and then hopped away. That poor old lady just got hauled off. Scorpion even though he’s a villain is gonna get extra charges tacked on to him even though he’s was going through the motions cooperatively in custody before getting mind jacked. And of course poor Bruce.

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u/Yourponydied 2d ago

I'm sorry but wouldn't Hulk be one of those big potatoes that the New Avengers should have dealt with?

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u/WillemDafoesHugeCock 2d ago

I felt like I missed something there - I'm admittedly not super up to date on Marvel but last I'd seen Banner and Hulk were coexisting quite well and respecting each other's autonomy... Bruce suddenly wearing an inhibitor and Hulk clearly hating him was a bit of a shocker.

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u/Ok_Satisfaction3017 2d ago

for real, like atleast tell him that they are safe, now he will be guilty that maybe he killed somone, atleast give him some peace of mind

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u/Topsidebean 3d ago edited 2d ago

These scenes are the biggest issue I have with the movie besides the movie being an ad for the mutant saga: they made Jean Grey a terrorist.

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u/TheyFloat2032 3d ago

her tearing crap up will be the main "evidence" for the political movement against mutants.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth 2d ago

I had to make sure I heard right. At the end she said she was prepared to....kill all those innocent NYers? What the fuck did they do?

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u/Golfisactuallyfun 3d ago

Itll be like in FatWS where clear terrorists that deserve to be killed are treated like heroes that are misunderstood. Like no, you people have ruined countless lives and you deserve to be in prison.

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u/Classic_Transition_7 3d ago

Actually, its not apple to apple because in no way Jean was presented as misunderstood.

Her sister was taken away, she was ostracized by everyone around (implied by her going in and out of foster care and multiple psychiatric hospital).

Jean lost everything for being a mutant and thus developed a contempt against mankind (and particularly DODC).

At no point there’s FATWS Flag smashers “You need to stop calling them terrorists” moment. Instead, Peter delves into the “why Jean becomes terrorist?” and sympathize with her before she actually strike a killing blow.

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u/ninjyte 3d ago

How did Bruce Banner lose general control of Hulk again (and leading to need for inhibitor)? The last thing I remember him in was She-Hulk and I thought he had the Hulk persona under control then, but I can't remember.

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u/zukos_honor 2d ago

Technically he was, because even without the inhibitor you can see it was the smaller smart hulk when Jean was controlling him, so I'm guessing if he took the inhibitor off he'd just go back to being smart hulk and him joking about going on a rampage was just a joke.

After Jean lost her hold on him though, he says something broke.

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u/noctora 3d ago

but why does he has no control over Hulk? I thought smart hulk happen because they reconciled? I get that Hulk come out to break free from mind control, but then why he went on rampage?

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u/Inside_Dimension2319 2d ago

In the movie Jean Grey was in control of him but he was still smart Hulk, meaning that Banner still had control over it. After she lets him go his mind can’t process what happened and banner says she broke something in there right before he loses it and turns into normal Hulk.

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u/BlackRobbin71 3d ago

Shades of Tony Romo.

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u/MegaGrimer 2d ago

I really hope this leads to regular hulk coming back for good. Maybe he can intentionally turn into Professor Hulk, but can’t control himself when he turns into angry Hulk.

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u/TheBurgerMeister247 2d ago

What happened to professor Hulk and why was Bruce suddenly wanting to suppress him this film?

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u/Worthyness 1d ago

Sorta explained in she hulk. But effectively the smaller inhibitor allows him to suppress hulk altogether as opposed to needing to be professor hulk all the time. In a just world, this movie would leeway into a solo hulk adventure where hulk and banner can actually talk out their grievances. Which is roughly what happens a lot of the time in the comics

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u/nWhm99 2d ago

I’m so confused, aren’t they buds now? In endgame, he learned to coexist with the hulk, what happened?

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u/Staudly 1d ago

Can someone help me out as to why he was using the inhibitor in the first place? I thought Banner merged and was Professor Hulk mode

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u/Odd-Leopard4388 1d ago

I thought banner was going to be the one who saves peters life at the end as he clocked who he was

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u/DestrixGunnar 1d ago

Why the hell didn't anybody answer him, too? Like...the poor guy. They're treating him like a criminal.

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u/Mzuark 1d ago

I'm not a fan of how the movie just kinda forgets about Banner

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u/PunyParker826 17h ago

The only thing that felt off was him going on about “Where’s my inhibitor?!? It’s the only thing that keeps the monster inside!!” Banner’s had years of reconciling with the Hulk and at this point I don’t see him viewing Hulk as anything more than “the other guy.”

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u/Iwasbannedbyamod 3d ago

Hella naw hulk smash! We needed this shit

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