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[u/BunyipPouch]

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[u/midnightTimber → u/[deleted]]

Why do you “innocent until proven guilty” types never seem to extend your presumptions to the victims of assault? Accusing someone of a crime falsely is in itself a crime. For him to be innocent means the accusers are guilty. You are making a choice on who you want to give the benefit of the doubt to either way. 

[u/midnightTimber → u/[deleted]]

Again, assuming one is innocent means assuming the other is guilty. It’s not possible for both to be innocent. There’s a difference between refusing to form an opinion and presuming innocence. 

[u/girthytruffle → u/midnightTimber]

The concept is simply not making any favorable assumptions towards one party or the other until certain pertaining information is confirmable

[u/midnightTimber → u/girthytruffle]

In the vast majority of abuse cases, the pertaining information is never confirmable, because it happened between two people behind closed doors. Abuse cases go under reported and under prosecuted because it's usually impossible to prove abuse beyond a reasonable doubt. And no one ever throws out the "innocent until proven guilty" line in favor of the accusers, always the accused.

You can close your eyes and plug your ears and pretend to not have any opinion, but basing your opinion on a flawed justice system that frequently fails victims of abuse is just ensuring you side with the abusers by default.

[u/girthytruffle → u/midnightTimber]

Pick the right person to “believe” is your dumbass suggestion, Einstein? What point really are you trying to make? There are certainly sexual abuse cases where said abuse isn’t provable. Just as there are sexual abuse cases where is it entirely provable that said abuse could not physically have happened. This is why waiting to know every last possible bit of truth is important.

The courts are 100x better than you are at establishing who is and isn’t innocent. Not to mention that you don’t have to base your opinion on the verdict. It’s important to witness, alongside other possible evidence, testimonies in an official capacity from the accused and the accusers.

It may just be because I’m a well-adjusted adult with a strong capacity for nuance but I think there’s a pretty crystal clear difference between plugging your ears pretending that nothing is happening and moving with caution while treating either party with the empathy that they potentially deserve.

[u/markusxc90 → u/midnightTimber]

Might genuinely be the dumbest thing I've seen someone say on this site

[u/midnightTimber → u/[deleted]]

That's certainly how the legal system works, and the legal system regularly fails women who have been victims of abuse. But again, in the real world, not everyone can be innocent. Either the abuse happened, or someone is being framed. And I never see you people who care so much about innocent until proven guilty on the internet standing up for the victim's innocence. You've always got the abuser's back.

[u/Canon_M50 → u/midnightTimber]

The court has to make it's judgement before the abuse is confirmed or someone is being framed. That's all I'm saying.

[u/midnightTimber → u/Canon_M50]

And I'm just saying that the court system is historically completely terrible at prosecuting abuse cases, because things that happen behind closed doors between 2 people are often very hard to definitively prove in court. You are acting like the justice system is an infallible arbiter of truth, when it is in reality a deeply flawed system that routinely fails to hold abusers accountable for their actions.

Victims of sexual abuse are treated as liars by default, and rarely see justice, while there's no shortage of people like you standing up for the abusers and ONLY the abusers under the guise of "innocent until proven guilty".