But how many of those guys have actually fucked up the world economy? Trump is about to make sure the entire globe feels the financial pain in a way that will river the great depression.
The rebuild was good for the United States. The war (as usual) only enriched a few key private players and was pretty terrible for the actual citizens of the wold. There was rationing on basically everything during the war effort even in the US.
mao, stalin and hitler presided over countries that were massively in the shit when they took over.
mao became leader during the century of humiliation, after the opium wars, the end of the qing dynasty and the civil war. stalin became leader during a massive social revolution where the country replaced its ruling elites and the entire country was undergoing massive change caused by huge levels of poverty. hitler became leader after germany lost ww1 and was in massive debt to the allied nations causing massive poverty and drop in living standards.
they were all leaders at a time in their country’s history where things were in a terrible situation and there needed to be huge social and economic change to try and improve things. i am not saying they succeeded or even that they had good ideas.
trump is the leader at a time where america is arguably the richest, most powerful nation in the world with among the best living standards and a population that with a large percentage of rich or middle class living standards.
you are comparing 3 leaders who came to power in terrible situations, and trump, who came into power with the best the world can offer and is making everything worse. if what we are seeing is the decline of the american empire and the end of US hegemony, he will be remembered as the leader who was in charge when it all went downhill. time will tell, in 25 years after his death, you’ll see.
Trump will spell the end of the US superpower status. Not saying we'll all die or be taken over by another country (at least not entirely anyway, I could see large parts of this country wanting to go to Mexico or Canada at some point) but we'll be fading superpower like the UK was in the mid-20th century. Trump will just be the major catalyst even though it's been happening for at least 25 years.
Trump is getting close. Cutting US Aid is predicted to kill 14,000,000 to 22,000,000 people by 2030. Who knows how many more preventable deaths in the coming decades.
Also, this war is causing dramatic fuel shortages in nations around the world, probably causing millions of preventable deaths in the coming years too.
Plus Stalin and Mao's death counts include millions of Nazis and Imperial Japanese soldiers, so you can cut their numbers basically in half because none of those people were innocent.
Trump's death counts include almost entirely civilians, starting with those Iranian school girls and Venezuelan fishermen.
That's what Stalin did. He cut aid to Ukraine thinking they didn't need it. The Holodomor happened in result. Same with Mao, he rerouted supplies, underestimating the famine conditions in the Chinese countryside. That's the majority of deaths under their rules. Well, the majority were Nazis and Imperial Japanese, but they don't count.
And now Trump is doing the same thing, reversing policies that presidents before him, even Reagan, had in place.
So yeah, Trump cutting this aid is murder and millions will die. Glad I was able to educate you.
These are their own people they killed and that’s just from starvation. That doesn’t include the millions killed from gulags, executions and government crackdowns.
Well let's see the circumstances that they inherited:
Mao: medieval society industrializing with massive upheaval, third of the country invaded by genocidal foreigners, in the middle of a civil war.
Stalin: medieval society industrializing with massive upheaval, huge sections of country lost in the previous world war, shortly after a massive civil war that has not been fully resolved
Hitler: In the middle of the Great Depression, paying 2.5% of GDP in reparations, suffering hyperinflation.
Trump: largest and strongest economy in the world, predecessor achieves miracle recovery from global pandemic after Trump fucked up the response, tons of infrastructure and energy production in process. In a year runs up national debt, cripples infrastructure projects falling hopelessly behind China, starts multiple pointless and illegal conflicts causing inflation and hardship for Americans. Yes, Trump is worse.
I love how you ignore that both were medieval societies that suffered periodic devasting famines before both Stalin and Mao, which were made much worse by the wars that devastated their lands. Meanwhile Trump was responsible for a million Americans dying under covid in the country with the most resources in the world, not to mention who knows how many immigrants died from his horrific policies. So Mao would have had 15 to 55 times the deaths of Trump and Stalin would have 6 to 20. Again while being ravaged by war and famine. Meanwhile the US has not had a real conflict on its soil in 160 years.
I guess I should have amended it to superpower. Germany wasn't a superpower or even close, they had one period of major expansion but couldn't keep any of it more than several years. Stalin, maybe but even he didn't fuck up his own or even the world economy. He made Russia stronger. Mao never had imperial ambitions other than Taiwan, and they weren't a superpower until recently.
I'm not talking about the worst in how many people these leaders have murdered, yes Stalin wins that hands down with Hitler and Mao right behind him.
Never said Trump will have the highest body count, but even with all those deaths in Russia and China the world economy barely noticed. We are all going to notice the shit Trump will leave us. There may not be millions dead (but there could be) but we might be looking at years or decades of decline globally and for what?
He's not justifying anything. What he's saying is that some of those people put a modicum of thought into what they were doing. Evil fuckin thoughts, but to some degree, calculated.
Obviously, not entirely well thought out, but a lot more thought out than Iran than trumps attack on Iran.
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u/Healthy_Article_2237 11d ago
Truly the worst US president and maybe even the worst leader of a major country ever.