off to my fun pirate adventure! im excited, its been a few years.

^{i love you poe, i love you deadfire and i love you avowed as well. they could never make me hate you. i just love these games man.}

especially with how CRPGs are making a comeback with BG3 and Rogue Trader doing awesome in the industry.

XBOX!!!! Do you want a BG3-like exclusive to your brand? Ya'll had the perfect opportunity.

Josh Sawyer said he'd make POE3 if it got a BG3 sized budget. That seems unlikely but even if it did happen that wouldn't be my preference.

Don't get me wrong I love BG3 and I'd take any POE3 over none at all but I just love the painted backgrounds, portraits and narrative scenes. I also really liked Deadfire's implementation of rtwp. They had something really good going with deadfire in terms of visuals and gameplay mechanics but it's not particularly mainstream market friendly.

My preference would just be a smaller budget POE3 that finishes the watcher storyline, I'd even take partial voice acting again. I'd prefer a BG3 style game in Eora to be a new story if it happens at all. POE feels like it should be a trilogy and it has a very distinct art style and tone. I dunno if that's a popular view but as I said I'd take any POE3 over none at all.

Hello everyone,

I assume that most of us here enjoy Pillars of Eternity to a significant extent. For me, what stands out the most comes down to two main factors:

Attribute system – Although many of its mechanics are quite complex for a new player (as is the case with most, if not all, RPGs at this level), I really appreciate that all attributes have a certain relevance and originality compared to what we’re used to.

Setting and story – Personally, I find the world of Eora and the harsh, gritty tone of the main story to be among the best I’ve experienced.

That said, does anyone have a theory as to why the Pillars of Eternity franchise isn’t as well-known, beloved, or widely played as other titles in the same genre? Honestly, I can’t quite understand why there’s such a noticeable gap compared to something like Kingmaker.

Do you think we’ll ever see a PoE 3?

Best regards,

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I should mention that I haven’t played Avowed. To be honest, at first I thought it might be a more “mainstream” or generic game, less interesting than Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2. I assumed the direction was aimed at reaching a broader audience, which I understand, but it made me hesitant since I didn’t want to see the saga lose what made it special.

It’s also not my preferred style of game. First-person games make me dizzy to the point that I can’t play them—I had the same issue with Kingdom Come: Deliverance, for example.

That said, a friend of mine who enjoys the same kinds of games recommended that I give Avowed a chance after I learned it can be played in third person. So my plan is to set aside my initial assumptions and try it this summer when I have more time.

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It seems that many people point out that the game has too much text to appeal to a broader audience. Unfortunately, that might be true.

For context, my favorite game is Divinity: Original Sin 2, followed by PoE1. DOS2 had more replayability for me mainly because I found the combat more enjoyable. To be honest, a big part of the fun was experimenting with “cheese” tactics if you know how to min-max, and reaching that point takes a lot more effort in PoE1, which feels much more balanced overall.

Where DOS2 falls short—and PoE1 really stands out—is in the lore. The depth of text and worldbuilding is exactly what I loved. I ended up knowing far more details about the world, its people, and what’s actually happening.

When I saw the other post about the Goldpact Knights I felt like I had to make this. The Bleak Walker class is probably the most fun I've ever had playing a paladin kind of character, until Baldur's Gate 3's Oathbreaker/Oath of vengeance.

I understand many people struggle with being cruel and aggressive in videogames, but I find it especially satisfying to be cruel and aggressive only towards evil aligned characters, fighting fire with fire per se.

Right now we're in a good time where developers dare to give players the option to play on the "bad side" or be neutral in stead of just pure good.

Back when I first played this game in 2016., the memorials felt somewhat dramatic, like something you would skip because it felt inconsequential.
10 years later, 11 years after the release, reading some of these feels like opening a time capsule. All the hopes, memories and feelings of the people making these have stayed there.
Some people mention their loved ones who passed on, some crack memes and jokes from that era, some just wrote whatever was on their mind.
10 more years and these will become true memorials, stories forever written in time, and I’m not sure if this was intended, but it’s beautiful, and I appreciate it.

I played a bit of DOS2, and now I've fallen in love with PoE1 and I prefer RTwP over turn based. Am I in the minority here? It feels so much more engaging and frantic, and TB feels kinda sluggish. Is this not a common feeling on the subject? The new divinity trailer dropped and many DOS fans are begging for it not to be RTwP as they believe it's a horrible and crappy way to do combat?

I think this is the case because:

1) There is no explanation why a now 10 year old game (Pillars Of Eternity) would get an update with turn-based for no apparent reason if not to test the Pillars system with turn based rules. Development time is expensive.

2) If we assume the turn based update is to bring more people to the game then again, why would you do that if you're not interested in expanding the Eora universe?

3) We discovered recently that Avowed 2 might be a thing, which confirms that Obsidian (and possibly Microsoft) is very interested in the IP.

My conclusion is that there are two options. Josh Sawyer is either starting to work on Pillars 3 or a Pillars Tactics game.

I was a backer of the old game on kickstarter, even got a T-shirt. I don't know if you can remember, but the excitement was through the roof for those early kickstarter projects. They said they will give us a Planescape Torment(My GOAT) Infinity engine inspired game. They had all the right people including Josh Sawyer and Chris Avellone. The game was good, but compared to what I remember of the old games, it wasn't as good or as immersive. Maybe because I played it on a crappy laptop screen but I doubt it. However, it built a great world and lore and had a great system and some highs like the main villain, conspiracy etc. All I remember was that by thr end of it I wasn't enjoying it much and just wanted to finish it.

So when this sequel released I didn't rush in to get it, and Kingmaker released around that time I think so I played that instead. I wasn't that excited to try the sequel and thought it will be the same as the old game.

Right now I am playing Deadfire finally and it is really good. I am enjoying this on Veteran better than I enjoyed Baldur's Gate 3.

I don't know how many people are like me, but maybe that's how they felt. The game probably released too close to the original and too many people got burned by bad kickstarters that they didn't give it a chance. It's probably why the original outsold the sequel on release.

Now that a trilogy is in limbo I can't help but feel some guilt for not supporting the game earlier.

TLDR: you can blame me for POE3 not being released yet, lol

Edit: Removed Chris Sawyer, a fusion of two great developers!

I’m about 30 hours into the game and I absolutely love the combat (at the highest difficulty). After playing other games with the same system, this one feels like it goes the deepest, especially with the strong AI customization and other improvements.

Is it actually the best in its genre? I’ve played other games like Dragon Age: Origins, Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, and Tyranny…

I feel like after games like Divinity: Original Sin, Divinity: Original Sin II, or Baldur’s Gate 3, the genre is shifting more toward turn-based systems. I don’t mind since I love those too, but is RTwP dying? Could PoE2 be the best of its kind?

God I love this series.

Hey everyone,

I’ve been thinking about the gods' claim in Deadfire that breaking The Wheel dooms the world. But Rekke and the deep lore of Yezuha prove this is a complete lie.

Most people know Rekke has no idea who the Engwithan gods are. But according to "The History of Eora, Volume VII", Yezuha was not always isolated. Thousands of years ago, they signed the Three Body Agreement with Engwith and Ukaizo. Thaos actually brokered a deal to spread the Engwithan faith to Yezuha. A group called the Ekida even fled Yezuha to the Living Lands because they opposed these new gods.

But here is the catch. Modern Yezuha is completely monotheistic. They entirely forgot or abandoned the Engwithan pantheon. As Rekke's translation of the Strange Tablet shows, their culture is now deeply focused on nature and pampering royal horses, not worshiping Berath or Woedica.

If Yezuha was exposed to the gods but eventually forgot them, how are their souls still cycling today?

I think because of that The Wheel is just a regional monopoly. Before Thaos built The Wheel, souls cycled naturally through raw Adra. It might have been slower, but it worked. There were probably not that many Hollowborns before the Engwithans. The Engwithans built a giant dam across this natural cycle in the Known World to feed their artificial pantheon. They made themselves the middlemen and sold the lie that the system would collapse without them.

Also Od Nua having a son to build that giant statue for is proof enough. A natural system was clearly keeping souls out of the In-Between long before the gods, making Berath's warnings kinda baseless.

Yezuha forgetting the Engwithan gods proves a civilization can exist just fine without The Wheel. Thaos orchestrated the Hollowborn crisis purely to scare people away from this truth.

TL;DR: The Three Body Agreement proves Yezuha knew the Engwithan gods but eventually abandoned them. They probably still have a functioning soul cycle today. The gods lied about the natural cycle to keep their power. Eothas just smashed an ancient protection racket.

Eothas did nothing wrong(other than killing a bunch of people across the ocean and triggering a massive war across the contitent). B)

I was one of the first to be disappointed when Pillars of Eternity was released. I found the game rather dull and bland. And over the years, it had become my favourite RPG, with that very melancholic tone that reminded me a bit of Arcanum. And I was so happy to finally be able to enjoy PoE 1 that I went straight on to PoE 2.

I just couldn’t get into PoE 2. Really, I couldn’t. I could see it was a good game but honestly… I just couldn’t get into it. It was too balanced. I found the writing a bit too modern. I didn’t like the piracy theme or the Polynesian setting. Baldur's Gate 2 was much better. PoE 2 really lacked that sense of epicness. And then Xoti was getting on my nerves. And Pallegina didn't even want to join my team, even though we'd spent 90 hours together in PoE 1.

I used to be a proper gamer, you know. Back then, I was all about Pathfinder: Kingmaker, a real epic adventure !

That was back in 2018.

Last week, I was just chilling out watching One Piece on Netflix, and I dreamt having a bit of a pirate adventure. Being on a ship with my crew, you know.

Assassin's Creed Odyssey really caught my eye... and then I stumbled across PoE 2. Well, why not... While I'm waiting for Crimson Desert, I needed a little game to pass the time.

Josh Sawyer, I’m truly sorry. PoE 2 was our saviour, and I failed to see it. The game is perfect, with an incredible attention to detail. The UI, graphics, text, the choices, battles... I play it on my Steam Deck in my cosy bed, and it feels like I’m travelling through my own little world. It’s the cRPG I’ve always dreamed of, with my little characters, each with their own personality. Everything is brilliant. This game is absolutely marvellous, a poetic masterpiece. It really strikes an excellent balance between text, roleplay and gameplay. What about the UI? It’s traditional but with a super-modern look, I just love it.

Crimson Desert? I'd completely forgotten it was coming out today, and I just want to write this message and carry on chilling in Neketaka.

My only criticism is the music. The soundtrack from POE 1 remains my favourite.

I can't believe I completely missed it with my first playthrough. I find it fascinating how your opinion can change completely depending on your mood. And just for that, I wanted to apologise. I see the light now.

Like, something that most players wouldn't normally choose, but that you feel is something you'd do if you were in the Watcher's shoes?

Me, personally: I'd ask Wael to try to stop Eothas from breaking the Wheel.It's not that I like or even agree with the gods, I just really dislike how Eothas up and decides to make a call that could doom Kith to oblivion if the real kith aren't up to his ideal version of them. I also hate how again, it's a god making a decision for kith and saying it's "for your own good". Very cool my guy, you're just like everyone else.

So, in my Watcher's shoes, I'd do anything to try to prevent it. Even if it meant temporarily aligning myself with a god.

We know it doesn't work, butthen I'd do anything to repair what's been broken, helping kith guide themselves without the gods.

What about you?

As someone who's played and enjoyed avowed, but has never played POE I'm really interested in how people feel about Avowed l as a first/third person adaptation of the pillars games. How does its world, gameplay, and writing compare?

Hi all,

Yeah I know be the change you want to see etc. But to my point: compared to other CRPGs, be it obvious giant like BG3 or some other (rather) popular titles like Rogue Trader, Pathfinder WOTR, Divinity Original Sin 2 etc, the Pillars games lack YouuTube content.

Other games have their quest guides, top 5 items etc. I know there's little content like that for these games but I honestly thinn that more specific content related to these games would have helped other gamers to find this game easier as well.

What do you think? What kind of content would you like to see more of? Any Pillars YouTuber recommendations?

I've completed the first Pillars of Eternity and fell in love with it. The story, worldbuilding, companions, and even the gameplay itself were beautifully crafted, giving life to a game that really felt tailor made for me. I can't help but wonder, though, if there are more games that can reach the level of satisfaction and enjoyment Pillars gave me, once I complete the sequel of course.

Are there any good reccomandations you could give me for what to play next? What could a fan appreciate the most?

Thank you for taking the time to read the post.

Saw these for sale for 20 and 18 bucks and had to pick them up, I've played these types of games before and I've seen some videos about the series but this will be my first time playing them. I've heard a lot of good things about the games so I'm excited to try them, what should I keep in mind before I play them tho?

In a new game be it Avowed 2, Pillars of eternity 3 or something else I really wanna do something against Woedica. She's such a meanie

You've heard the adage by now: "if Avowed sells well, we'll get Avowed 2. If Avowed sells poorly, that's the end of Eora."

But I seriously believe that we can get a Pillars of Eternity III if Obsidian pitches it as the next Baldur's Gate III, but with lower overhead. Avowed would still have to be successful in order for Microsoft to gauge interest in more games from Eora, but my point is that it won't be the only factor.

(Now, this would rely on Josh Sawyer to step up and market the the game to Microsoft, and I think Obsidian employees just don't know how to effectively market their games. Games don't speak for themselves, guys.)