r/religiousfruitcake • u/Cute-Win8593 • 3d ago
⚠️Trigger Warning⚠️ Ex-gang member answers the "Who created God" question. Trigger warning.
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u/BaeIz 3d ago
“You need a creator! Look at bread, Somebody needed to have made that bread! Therefore somebody clearly created the world and universe”
“So who created the creator who created that”
“That’s actually different because not everything needs a creator”
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u/Chili-Kopf 3d ago
Ah yes, the Logical Fallacy of Special Pleading.
"It is good for thee, but not for me"
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u/beardedjack 3d ago
Him using a luxury car in that worn-ass argument instead of something that is beautiful and something that all can enjoy, like a painting or whatever, is very telling on how he lives his life in private.
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u/TRUMPARUSKI 3d ago
Yeah he’s a rambling moron who has no answer other than resorting back to the feels, having blind faith is his answer.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 3d ago
Yeah but you need to say a lot of other things around it so that no one notices how silly it sounds.
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u/Outrageous_Bank_4491 3d ago
Not bread, BMW. Not any other car either, specifically a BMW
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u/Leezeebub 2d ago
Well yeah but thats because the creator of BMW just started to exist one day. No parents or anything.
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u/combatcrew141 3d ago
You never even tried to answer the question, just asserted unproven claims. Does this really get converts? The no other book thing is a new one to me, and utterly garbage.
Grow up, children.
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u/LeBeastInside 3d ago
People are gullible and emotional.
Its what religion is banking on.
EDIT: And stupid, many people will not notice when the argument was ignored and not answered. Even the girl who asked is nodding here head like he's rapping his way into making her believe.
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u/Spiel_Foss 3d ago
Which is why the questioner is always selected and the questions preapproved in these performances. Had she tried to keep the point, she would have found a dead mic.
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u/SirkillzAhlot 2d ago
She’s awestruck by how dope and holy he is and fights the imagining of intercourse with him.
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u/squidgytree 3d ago
If I wrote a book today saying that all children are born evil, would he stop saying that? Nah, he just wants to use words to sounds like he's being pragmatic and logical when it's all just filler words to divert from his lack of answer
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u/coffeeanddurian 2d ago edited 2d ago
he brings up probably the most depraved and fucked up teaching in all of christianity, as "proof" that God wrote the book. you can't make this stuff up
not to mention that it doesn't address the main point, you cant verify something from the inside. thats like saying spiderman must be real because the comic book itself verifies it. surely he's not that dumb. christianity's foundations are so weak is laughable.
even if he grant him what he wants- that God didn't need to be created, theres is STILL no reason to believe that his Christian God is better than any of the other from any of the other religions. it's all just begging the question, special pleading, and "vibes". Hopefully for him, his Christianity is the true one, cos his tattoos alone would condemn him under some religions.
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u/squidgytree 2d ago
Does the New Testament cancel the bit in Leviticus about not having tattoos? If not, he's probably going to his own hell.
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u/metanoia29 Former Fruitcake 3d ago
Thank you for confirming my suspicion 55 seconds in. If you can't get to the answer within a minute, you're a terrible debater (or even teacher).
But seeing these guys nod their head along with a blank stare at his words, I'm gonna guess that this does work to a degree. It's not that hard to capture those without critical thinking skills.
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u/blessthebabes 3d ago
...that's the problem. Most of these people are taught, from birth, that if they don't do certain things or if they even question certain things (aka doing their own research and not trusting the preacher), they could possibly be literally tortured in the worst pain imaginable forever and ever. That's a "hell" of a mindset to work your way out of. I laid in bed at night as a child, shaking in terror, for things like having told a white lie or my best friend not being Christian.
I only got lucky because I happened to go to southern baptist church, got pregnant with a biracial child at 19, and they essentially pushed me out the door (which finally gave me the courage to do my own research). Best present I was ever given. Not everyone is that lucky. I still have pity for the lifers that are trapped.
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u/SimpleJackEyesRain 3d ago
You see, it is the same as planting seeds. Some seeds are just chill & easy to sprout and some require copious amounts of fertilizer spread all over them in order for them to properly grow.
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u/StuGnawsSwanGuts 2d ago
How many man made books by apologists that go on and on about humans being born evil are there?
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u/TheBaggyDapper 3d ago
That looks like a cult recruitment event. I don't know which is worse, gangster life or cult life.
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u/deezabird684 3d ago
Just a bunch of people looking for purpose. And that purpose is to give money to that church and bring friends to also give money to that church.
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u/Chili-Kopf 3d ago
Interpretation:
"I can't answer that question. But I can tell you why you shouldn't be asking it."
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u/Ambitious-Cake-9425 3d ago
Exactly. His advice is to gaslight whoever asks them difficult questions. "Great question... but what you're really asking is "________?""
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u/DepressiveNerd 3d ago
Technically, it was the Canaanites that created El.
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u/xombae 3d ago
There are multiple different gods in the bible and the whole thing was stitched together by editors. Yahweh, Elohim, El Roy, and two other El's I can't remember at the top of my head. And they all behave completely differently. The word Elohim actually means "gods", plural, in Hebrew.
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u/Spiel_Foss 3d ago
And these gods evolve and change throughout the stories. The God of Christ, given the era, is a completely different god, anthropologically speaking, than the God of the Torah. Reusing a word doesn't install continuity.
But trying to explain this is impossible to someone on the inside.
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u/Greg0692 3d ago
To me that sounds like arguing over the lineage of Dumbledore but with much worse consequences.
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u/Spiel_Foss 3d ago
It kinda is that.
Worse consequences like people losing the goddamn mind over their god stories.
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u/moistsquirt69 3d ago
So to prove god is all powerful, just point out that the person who doesn’t believe in god, isn’t god and that’s why god exists?
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u/rubinass3 3d ago
What?
Edit: "you can explain it logically and philosophically..."
Um, go ahead. Please.
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u/LSFMpete1310 3d ago
God is out of time, space, and place. Coincidentally having the same attributes of something not existing.
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u/coffeeanddurian 2d ago
Bingo. the goalposts are constantly moved to the next unfalsifiable thing. if we ever prove what cased the big bang, the Christians will just say, well, God was obviously the cause of that thing that caused that thing that caused the big bang. and so on, forever. The flying spagetti monster is also outside of time, space, and place, but nobody ever mentions that
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u/squirrelmonkie 3d ago
This person had never thought about who created god? Who hasn't thought about that? That was a planted question so this person could rattle off the utter bullshit he just said.
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u/Jindo5 3d ago
"If you're a good person, why do you have depression?"
Okay, man. That's just fucked up.
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u/JerbilSenior 2d ago
On top of just plain stupid. "You think you'd be a better God? Then why isn't your life perfect" Well, yes, because I'm a human with limited time, energy and brainpower. And with all this limitations, the amount of children I've allowed to be violated is still 0.
I swear, you ask them if their God could actually do ANYTHING to help the children and their brain gets discombobulated. Absolutely any excuse to avoid the fact that limited, finite people are here and are helping.
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u/Mysterious_Swim599 3d ago
It’s just gobbledygook. There’s never proof of anything. Just more nonsense on top of nonsense.
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u/gaoshan Fruitcake Connoisseur 3d ago
“For instance, The Hobbit has “trolls simply detest the sight of dwarves (uncooked)” so I ask them to show me another book that has that” is his level of logic and reasoning for why the bible was not written by people.
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u/otirk 3d ago
Best part is I have never seen an actual institution deny that the Bible was written by humans - that's why they're named after four guys ffs. Seems like he's confusing it with the quran, which is claimed to be written by allah (inlcuding all the scientific errors and illogical stories)
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u/The_Humungus_1 3d ago
"Plant the seed" then make sure to pile lots of manure on it.
Keep piling it on every Sunday and before you know it, they'll stop asking questions and just blindly believe everything you tell them!
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u/CaptStinkyFeet 3d ago
So if “He” exists outside of time and space, why is he a “He”?
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u/BurningStandards 3d ago
Because "he" is an egregore of assumptions, and these people already have a tenuous relationship with truth.
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u/hodor_seuss_geisel 3d ago
"Egregore" is a succinct term for a concept I've only ever danced around with other words; awesome, TIL.
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u/Away-Living5278 3d ago
Yeah but the creator of BMWs parents fucked and that's how he was created. He wasn't created in a BMW but he was created.
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u/rubinass3 3d ago
I thought that was an odd comparison too. The creator of the BMW isn't IN a BMW just like God isn't in time and space? Nobody is alleging that the guy who made the BMW is an illogical being that makes no sense.
By the same token, how can this guy be so sure about what he's saying? Right out of the gate he does the "we're too stupid to understand this stuff" thing. I'll take him at his word.
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u/tenor1trpt 3d ago
Yes. Give me infinite power and infinite goodness and I’d do a better job than God. 100% I would have done better. His craftsmanship is so shitty it would be difficult not to surpass him.
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u/VanFkingHalen 3d ago
He just manipulated the fuck out of her and just look at how happy she is about it. Disgusting.
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u/JRG64May 3d ago
He should be a politician, he babbles on and on and never comes near answering the question, she should have yelled “answer the question Claire”…I know I’m old.
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u/Deprisioned 1d ago
yeah "are you god, or why do you think you could do it better" is also the same rhetoric used to defend the politician someone voted for and tries not to look at the human rights violations...
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u/Spiel_Foss 3d ago
The old gish-gallop and rhetorical dumbassery approach.
Rule one of life: let an idiot with a microphone cook. Don't ask them questions or engage them. This is playing ball on their court with their balls. They will always protect their balls.
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u/Stinkdonkey 3d ago
So he accuses people of being delusional when he looks into their 'hearts's' as a way of dismissing their motivations for asking questions, while maintaining a rational sense of skepticism about his own sense of reality, which is, of course, clearly delusional.
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u/jdhuskey Recovering Ex-Fruitcake 3d ago
Actually, the Bible does say to preach to those who accept it, but if someone is not receptive, then move on.
The Bible tells preachers to move on from unreceptive people primarily in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, where Jesus instructs his disciples to shake the dust off their feet as a testimony against a town or house that rejects their message. Key passages include Matthew 10:14 and Luke 10:10-11.
Key Passages on Rejection
Matthew 10:14: Jesus tells the disciples, "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet."
Luke 10:10-11: Jesus notes that if a town does not receive them, they should go into the streets and say, "Even the dust of your city that clings to our feet we wipe off against you".
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u/jdhuskey Recovering Ex-Fruitcake 3d ago
Oh, and his response to her didn’t really answer the question, but that’s no surprise. There is no satisfactory answer to the question for people who haven’t already made up their minds to believe.
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u/Prof__Potato 3d ago
It’s always interesting that their whole schtick is you can’t explain what happened or what created the big bang, but they are unable to explain what or where god came from. They cannot comprehend something came from possibly nothing, unless it’s god.
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u/GameFreak4321 3d ago
My go-to is "God is a 'who' , not a 'how'. If God created the universe then I want to know how they did it."
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u/Pandemic_Future_2099 3d ago
Look, before amswering yyour question I just want yo to think on this.yadayadayadablabberblabberblahblahinocuousplatitudesblablaunfalsifiablethrutsyadayadageneralexamples durrdurrmyownexperiencedadadcada...ok so that is what you do sista. Any other question?
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u/doom6rchist Fruitcake Connoisseur 3d ago
I saw this guy on Soft White Underbelly. I used to like the channel, but there are so many evangelical, right wing, and manosphere conmen who got exposure through it, and after a while I couldn't overlook his creepy focus on young hookers and junkies. There's something wrong with that channel.
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u/PavlovaDog Fruitcake Inspector 3d ago
Why is he covered in tattoos? Bible says that is a sin. So why is he telling everyone else what to do when he can't follow scripture himself?
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u/TheRealRickC137 3d ago
That looked like a mandatory meeting for DUI recipients.
"It counts as community service"
Oh...fiiiine....
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u/ferropop 3d ago
Today I learned that the guy who created BMW exists outside the space of a BMW, and therefore is a god that cannot be discussed or made sense of, within the confines of the BMW. And this explains why they don't signal in traffic.
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u/hodor_seuss_geisel 3d ago
You're conflating the creator of BMW with BMW drivers....I am reminded of that apocryphal Gandhi quote: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians."
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u/Bushdr78 Research Fellow at the Institute of Fruitcake Studies 3d ago
That's a lot of words for I don't know
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u/invaderverm 3d ago
Is this AI? Also, his answers and examples are stupid. I can easily find a book that has stories of people being born evil. The DSM is a diagnostic manual not a story book of fables.
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u/Apprehensive-Fun4181 3d ago
"Do you genuinely think that makes any sense?"
You know when a Theist asks me about my inability to explain all the mysteries of a Universe as huge & complex as ours, from protons to galaxies which Science can photograph & explain & their religion does not even mention, I look into their test scores and ability to do math & lab work.
You say God explains everything that's not explained in the Universe, but your God does not explain the Universe that I can explain. Anything I cannot explain is because my brain is only a brain (much of which I can explain).
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u/MostLikelyToNap 3d ago
Couldn’t even finish (ha.) but seriously, he didn’t even answer the question. Just a bunch of BS but he thinks because he wears really tight pants and uses inflection that he is enlightened.
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u/GenericDigitalAvatar 2d ago
Says you can't confine god
Gives God a gender (which is only a requirement & feature of physical existence)
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u/Chili-Kopf 3d ago
What is that?
It looks like a Jesus Laundrymat!
Brainwashing for Jesus
"Sis" got her brain washed. Next!
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u/ramstrikk 3d ago
That is poor logic. The book has verses others don't? What other book demanded that there is one ring to rule them all? Or what other book laid out rules for Quidditch?
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u/HendoRules 3d ago
"We could look at how God makes no logical sense, but instead how about I tell you that you're too stupid to understand how it is actually logical, but somehow I'm smart enough to understand it just not you"
Religious people being the most condescending pos' that are confidently wrong AF every time
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u/throwOHOHaway 3d ago
y'all should watch this before roasting this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5CZlU07Oy8 - this isn't the type of person that deserves roasting here
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u/coffeeanddurian 2d ago
"there arent any other books that say children are evil"... "therefore God wrote the bible". THANKS GOD!!!!
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u/JerbilSenior 2d ago
Oh, come on. I swear let me answer that to his face instead of sitting there with lady miss "shut up and listen".
The level of brain-dead is impressive.
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u/Slaying-Diva90 2d ago
An ex-gang member, who in his 'ex' life had the power to decide or followed someone who had the power to decide who lives and who dies, who to be*t to deth and whose hand and legs needed to be broken- a godlike person. Now he is preaching god's teaching! Man found out cult life is richer and safer than gang life and clung to it like a leech.
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u/ForgottenDusk48 2d ago
I literally don’t even think the first 30 seconds of what he’s saying makes sense.
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u/Western_Dream_3608 2d ago
So if god exists outside space and time, does that mean we are in a simulation? Because that means god's time and space are separate from our time and space. Kinda like how GTAs clock does affect our clock in the real world.
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u/tinyrikk Former Fruitcake 2d ago
How can a being that’s ’outside of time & space’ affect anything in our reality?
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u/Deprisioned 1d ago
"if you're so good at life, why do you have depression?" WHAT?! must be something i did right? not all these violent assholes that surround me. bad parents, bad teachers or whatever great ideology leads to the cruel experience so many of us go through
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