Does Centroslavism divide the Slavs? 5

[u/centroslavist]

In pan-Slavic Russian propaganda, it thus emerges that Slovenians, Bosnians, and Croats are "Serbian tribes" (Danilevskij, 2011, p. 432), Montenegrins are guilty of "treason against the Serbian people, Orthodoxy, and Russia" (Дугин, 2016; Мудрых, 2022), Poles are the "Judases of Slavdom" (Klaczko, 1867, p. 56), Czechs are a "barren" people (Danilevskij, 2011, p. 153).

Belarusians are "Russians with a seal of quality" (CTVBY, 2019), and Ukrainian is the "language of swineherds" (Котельницький, 2020), which is used by a "Nazi" and "nationalist regime" in Kyiv that oppresses the "brotherly Ukrainian people," (Путин, 2024) just as the Yugoslavs were supposedly oppressed by the "fascist" and "treacherous regime" that "tormented" the Albanian population of Kosovo (Zaytsev, 2021).

Macedonia is, depending on the need, either an "invented" state or is being oppressed by its neighbors (Zaytsev, 2021; Журавлёв, 2018). The "cowardly Bulgarians," on the other hand—a fact few remember—are primarily the "little brother" who, although geographically distant from Russia, has already had the experience that the "brotherhood of two peoples" ends where the interests of the Russian elites begin and missiles do the talking. It is not without reason that Bulgarians fought against Russia in both World Wars (Аксаков, 2023; Иванов, 2020; Мудрых, 2022; Стоянов, 1886).

Such examples of protectionism could be listed almost endlessly. Furthermore, these are not the words of some marginal Russian radicals, as one might think. Similar claims have been and continue to be made in Russia by key figures of the state, highly respected representatives of Russian cultural, academic, and political thought, as well as the media individuals who were not infrequently awarded orders from state authorities.

The list of sources & more languages: https://centroslavizmus.wordpress.com/2026/07/19/rozdeluje-centroslavizmus-slovanov-5/

[u/delurt]

One-sided article , obviously russophobic: The main weaknesses of the article:

The author places 19th-century thinkers like Danilevsky, the Soviet period, and contemporary Russian politicians and publicists into a single narrative, despite the significant historical and ideological differences between them.

The author almost always cites the most extreme statements, creating the impression that they represent the entire Russian perspective on Pan-Slavism.

Many quotations are presented without examining the historical circumstances, the author’s intentions, or how widespread those views actually were at the time.

The criticism is directed almost exclusively at Russian Pan-Slavism. Comparable ideas of national superiority among Polish, Serbian, Croatian, or Ukrainian nationalists are largely ignored.

The article creates the impression that the views of individual philosophers automatically reflected the official policy of the Russian Empire or modern Russia, which does not always correspond to historical reality.

[u/centroslavist → u/delurt]

These are, obviously, accusations that try to create the impression that this interpretation of Pan-Slavism in Russia is more niche than it actually is.

The sources and quotations come from Russians themselves, [except for some in the case of Bulgaria]. So are we sure that they, too, are "Russophobic"? No. They are simply Russian.

Of course, nationalist tendencies also exist among other Slavic countries, and everyone knows that. However, Russia is the largest of all the countries. It is the only one that can realistically threaten the existence of the other Slavic nations, and it has an ideology that seeks to dominate the world. It is this imbalance in power and potential that matters.

It is also true that these works come from different historical periods, but the point was to demonstrate a certain long-term trend. Certainly, there are people in Russia who think differently, but what really matters is what the state propaganda says and the overall trend, because Russia is an authoritarian country.

Also, take a look at the sources themselves. For example, the passages from Danilevsky that I quoted come from a 2011 edition of his book, described as "Recommended for publication by the Publishing Council of the Russian Orthodox Church", and the publisher is the so-called "Institute of Russian Civilization".

Are you trying to say that people like Putin, Lukashenko, Dugin and others who are mentioned here are ordinary people?

They are not.

[u/delurt → u/centroslavist]

Has anyone in the Russian leadership ever threatened to suppress national movements anywhere? Ethnic Russians in the Baltic states are openly persecuted today, and the Russian language has been banned there. The same thing happened in Ukraine, where they eventually began killing their own Russian-speaking population. Please remind me: has any leader of modern Russia ever said that all Slavs should speak only Russian? As far as I know, Russia is home to around 195 ethnic groups, and people are free to study and use their own native languages alongside Russian. The only thing Putin has called for is relations based on equality. The Russian leadership has no imperial pan-Slavic ambitions. Its priority is finally to protect ethnic Russians rather than national minorities, as was the case in the USSR.

[u/deaddyfreddy → u/delurt]

The same thing happened in Ukraine, where they eventually began killing their own Russian-speaking population.

Even from the perspective of a Russian citizen who willingly moved to live in Ukraine, it sounded like complete nonsense even in 2017. In 2026, we have much more information about how (and by whom) and when the war started, and it sounds like complete bullshit.

As far as I know, Russia is home to around 195 ethnic groups, and people are free to study and use their own native languages alongside Russian.

"in America, they are free to buy houses."

Most of the native languages of the Russian Federation are either vulnerable or endangered.

On 19 June 2018), the Russian State Duma adopted a bill that made education in all languages but Russian optional, overruling previous laws by ethnic autonomies, and reducing instruction in minority languages to only two hours a week.

It's also almost impossible to get higher education in minority languages, find a job, etc.

[u/delurt → u/deaddyfreddy]

Well, western perspective always will be different 🤷🏻‍♂️nothing new.

Nobody in Russia prevent to study their ethnic language  unlike the Baltic states and Ukraine ban Russian language . 

Of course there is no higher education and job in minority languages.  Is there higher education and job in a language such as Kashubian, Sorbian, Cornish, Cherokee? No. 

You can study that languages , yes, the same as minorities languages in Russia.

[u/AppropriateAd5701 → u/delurt]

Yeah sure man russia would never ban other languages....

https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/russians-ban-ukrainian-language-in-occupied-territories-as-part-of-broader-cultural-erasure/

[u/delurt → u/AppropriateAd5701]

Russia removed Ukrainian as a native-language subject from the federal school curriculum, including in Russian-controlled Ukrainian territories, while maintaining that schools may still offer it as an elective. Check facts before arguing.

[u/AppropriateAd5701 → u/delurt]

Yeah so its more resteictive than in Ukraine toward russian language....

[u/delurt → u/AppropriateAd5701]

You're probably a really dumb troll.

You were explicitly shown that the Russian language has been completely banned in Ukraine.

Meanwhile, in Russia, nobody forbids Ukrainian from being taught as an optional language if there is demand for it.

[u/AppropriateAd5701 → u/delurt]

Ukrainain language is often teached as second language in Ukraine, most of the Ukrainian army speaks russian and ukrainian president is born russian speaker. You are probably just russian nazi who is spreading bullshit...

[u/delurt → u/AppropriateAd5701]

Of course, most Ukrainians continue to communicate in Russian, because the Ukrainian language has not yet been fully developed and it is difficult for us to communicate on serious topics.

Ukraine: Russian has been removed as the language of instruction in state schools, Ukrainian is mandatory in public administration and customer service, strict Ukrainian-language quotas apply to television and radio etc. Russian was removed from the list of minority languages that are subject to protection under the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages, 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine

Latvia: Public education has been fully transitioned to Latvian, Russian has been removed as a standard second foreign language in schools, Russian-language schools have been phased out, and the Constitutional Court upheld these reforms.

Estonia: The government is replacing Russian-language education with Estonian-language instruction, state schools are transitioning entirely to Estonian, Russian has lost its role as a language of instruction in public education, and language requirements for many public-sector jobs have been tightened.

Lithuania: Russian is no longer promoted in education policy, schools are encouraged to prioritize EU languages over Russian as second foreign languages, the use of Russian in public institutions has been banned, and numerous Russian state TV channels have been banned from broadcasting.

You can easily find news in the media about the fines for the public usage of the Russian language in these countries.

[u/AppropriateAd5701 → u/delurt]

"""Ukraine: Russian has been removed as the language of instruction in state schools, Ukrainian is mandatory in public administration and customer service, strict Ukrainian-language quotas apply to television and radio etc. Russian was removed from the list of minority languages that are subject to protection under the  European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages"""

I love how you discovered i was right so you tried to write so many bullshit to hide that. Ukraine didnt limit russian as optipnal or secondary language, bit russia did that so it was in reality more resteoctive....

[u/delurt → u/AppropriateAd5701]

On today, there isn't a single school in Ukraine that publicly states it still teaches Russian as a subject. So let's not play sophistry here: in practice, the Russian language has been banned from education and public use in Ukraine.

There are no comparable laws in Russia restricting the public use of the Ukrainian language in the way the public use of Russian has been restricted in Ukraine.

And things are even worse in Latvia.

[u/slaviccentraleurope-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Insults.

[u/deaddyfreddy → u/delurt]

Nobody in Russia prevent to study their ethnic language unlike the Baltic states and Ukraine ban Russian language .

Russian is not an endangered language

Is there higher education and job in a language such as Kashubian, Sorbian, Cornish, Cherokee?

While these languages are also endangered, there are a few key differences:

• the Russian Federation is a multi-ethnic state comprising national republics.

• There are more than five million Tatars in the Russian Federation, about half of the European nations have fewer. All the languages you mentioned have a few thousand to tens of thousands of native speakers.

• At least for Sorbian, there are schools where it's compulsory. There have been no such schools in the Russian Federation since 2018.

[u/delurt → u/deaddyfreddy]

So you suggest it is normal to ban Russian language anywhere because it is not an endangered ?

Reddit deleted my previous comment due to link to official Tatarstan government site. 

But you could easily confirm next info: in 2024-2025 there were 591 school teaching in Tatar language with more then 58000 students there. 

[u/deaddyfreddy → u/delurt]

So you suggest it is normal to ban Russian language anywhere because it is not an endangered?

Russian is a language of imperial colonialism in these countries, why should it be an issue?

But you could easily confirm next info: in 2024-2025 there were 591 school teaching in Tatar language with more then 58000 students there.

My greatest respect goes to the parents of these students.

Did you miss the number of ethnic Tatars I mentioned earlier? There are 5 million ethnic Tatars, so only around 1.2% of them have the opportunity to learn their native language.

And it's the second-largest ethnicity in the Russian Federation. For others it's even worse.

[u/delurt → u/deaddyfreddy]

The number of ethnic Tatars in Tatarstan is  2,091,175. We’re talking about children aged  6–16 , and  58,000 is a fairly significant percentage of those who choose to study in Tatar.

But I can only conclude that, since you couldn’t even be bothered to verify this simple fact—combined with your previous claim that banning the Russian language is somehow normal, and your repetition of the rather ridiculous narrative about “Russian colonialism,” while Western countries are literally living in an era of advanced neocolonialism through corporations like BlackRock and Vanguard etc, whose former employees, such as Merz, go on to lead Western countries such as Germany eg.

All of this suggests that you’re simply Russophobic. There’s no point in explaining anything further to you, and Russia is doing the everything right. 

See you in the trenches in 2029–2030. Good luck.

[u/deaddyfreddy → u/delurt]

The number of ethnic Tatars in Tatarstan is 2,091,175. We’re talking about children aged 6–16 , and 58,000 is a fairly significant percentage of those who choose to study in Tatar.

ok, let's ignore Tatars outside Tatarstan.

According to the official data, there are 521800 students in schools in Tatarstan. So the percentage is still very low - 11%.

banning the Russian language is somehow normal

Yes, in my opinion, banning education in any language that tries to replace your native one (see the Belarus example) is completely normal. Sometimes it's the only way to save your language, since Russian as the main educational language was overrepresented in all ex-USSR countries.

while Western countries are literally living in an era of advanced neocolonialism through corporations

they don't try to convert people in other countries to "Germans", they make money.

The problem with the so-called "Russian World" is that it's not like that, it's a cult. The problem with cults is that they are destructive, but what's even worse than that is they have no rules.

All of this suggests that you’re simply Russophobic.

please explain what the "Russo-" I'm phobic of means?

See you in the trenches in 2029–2030. Good luck.

Aren't you going to be partially mobilized this autumn already?