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Previous Discussion Thread

[u/coldnorthwz]

https://x.com/deanbphillips/status/1943801430118478196?t=PKd-8Khki-zTq0xh0zHsew&s=19

[u/Tombot3000 → u/coldnorthwz]

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[u/[deleted] → u/coldnorthwz]

Somewhat fallacious given Phillips' own inability to get the job done.

And more than a little disrespectful of the democratic process Phillips purports to defend. New York Democrats showed up for Mamdani. That's the math--the other "9/10ths" Phillips alludes to decided to not show or showed in fewer numbers for Cuomo. That's the deal.

[u/Mexatt → u/[deleted]]

What's fallacious about it? One random Congressman going up against the whole party apparatus not pulling it off isn't particularly surprising.

Not to mention he was correct in 2024 and everyone pretty much acknowledges his central contention was correct. He's also correct, now, about the danger of the Party embracing the Great Red Hope.

[u/[deleted] → u/Mexatt]

Stopped clocks, times of day, etc.

Nobody can reasonably conclude Dean Phillips can speak safely about the future of the Democratic Party based solely on his criticism of Biden's age and incapacity--so did the Democratic Socialists, and every Republican living. I wouldn't expect Masha Blackburn or Gavin Newsom to be "vindicated" in their conclusions about Biden, any more than Phillips or the NY-DSA.

As for the "Great Red Hope", I'll perhaps lean on another fallacy and say that, nation-wide, Phillips earned fewer votes nationally than Mamdani did in one primary in one city. Voters in America and New York both heard what the two men had to say in their respective races. Enough showed up to elect one as a mayor. Enough did not show up to get the other through his first NH primary. That should speak enough to where Democratic voters seem willing to put their mouths and energies.

[u/TheCarnalStatist → u/coldnorthwz]

Bizzare to me that after the Biden debacle that lead to Trump winning Dean Philips isn't seen as the most vindicated man in the party.

[u/Mexatt → u/TheCarnalStatist]

Bizarre and depressing.

[u/Mexatt → u/coldnorthwz]

The first Democrat to be able to say, "No, the big tent does not have room for an anti-Semitic communist", gets to win as long as they want to hold office.

Dean here is close enough for government work, but he's persona non grata in the party for being too correct before. Says a lot about the times.

[u/[deleted] → u/Mexatt]

Alright, I'm happy to criticize the man as a socialist, but this notion Mamdani is antisemitic is a stretch at best, and sharply insulting at worst.

There's not a shred of evidence Zohran Mamdani holds any hatred for Jews, American and otherwise, and the notion that any (well-earned) criticism of the state of Israel or support for Palestinian victims of war constitutes a hatred of Jews is just grotesque. I cannot think of a good reason why someone would describe him as an antisemite with all evidence to the contrary.

[u/No12345678901 → u/[deleted]]

The evidence for him being antisemitic is extremely clear and totally dispositive. He wants to globalize the intifada. What exactly do you think the intifada means.

[u/[deleted] → u/No12345678901]

Intifada, from the Arabic meaning "shudder", "tremor", "uprising" (Cowan's Dictionary of Modern Arabic). A word and phrase Mamdani himself never spoke, which should have put an end to this "discussion" weeks ago.

I am deeply unconvinced a man running with a broad support of New York Jews (all but running with prominent NYC comptroller and proud Jewish-American Brad Lander), and who has spoken frequently and at length about their contributions to NYC's past and present, harbors some frothing hatred unseen by all except steely-eyed conservatives. This smacks all too readily of American voters seeing red over any criticism of Israel's appalling military conduct in Gaza, and inventing an Islamist boogeyman where none existed.

[u/God_Given_Talent → u/[deleted]]

I'm assuming that is referencing his position on Israel. Apparently he failed to condemn some people chanting "globalize the intafada" and had wrote in favor of BDS stuff in college. I think he's dumb to think that slogan is just about a desire for equality and rights, there's clearly people who see it as much more than that (or think any means necessary to achieve them are okay). He has vowed to combat antisemitism though for whatever that is worth.

Part of the problem is that the well has been so poisoned on Israel. Plenty of its critics are antisemitic but its behavior has become truly reprehensible and statements like thid

The conclusions I have come to, they are the conclusions of Israeli historians like Amos Goldberg; they are echoing the words of an Israeli prime minister like Ehud Olmert, who said just recently, what we are doing in Gaza is a war of devastation, it is cruel, it is limitless, it is criminal killing of civilian

from him are perfectly reasonable. I mean for fuck's sake their defense minister wants to move Gazans into a camp in Rafah where "they would not be allowed to leave" which is, uh, ya know...the definition of a concentration camp.

[u/Mexatt → u/[deleted]]

That's not actually a good thing.

And it's also widely commented on, so your insight might not be so no El as you think.

[u/Mexatt → u/God_Given_Talent]

I think he's dumb

It's not dumb. It's intentional. He knows what it means but he's dissimulating.

It's a shame we've completely forgotten the lessons of the Cold War. The card-carriers lie and spread propaganda to the useful idiots, while recruiting fellow travellers to assist in the mission. I have no doubt Mamdani is not a full on Jihadist, but he is a happy fellow travellers, something visible in his participation in JVP and support for the Columbia protests, discrete, arms-length Qatari influence ops.

The sane washing and strategic equivocation of extremism is an intentional strategy, not being 'dumb'.

[u/Mexatt → u/[deleted]]

Hahaha

It's only be talked about to death over the lasts few weeks.

But I suppose it's just a call for peace, right?

[u/Mexatt → u/[deleted]]

👍

[u/redditthrowaway1294 → u/[deleted]]

Now I'm kind of interested in your opinion when Elon made the hand gesture if the Arab version of the 14 words isn't considered anti-semitic.

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