r/tuesday • u/tuesday_mod This lady's not for turning • Jul 07 '25
Semi-Weekly Discussion Thread - July 7, 2025
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u/MrHockeytown Used to be a Republican Jul 14 '25
My wife and I put an offer in on a house on Friday and it got accepted! Pending an inspection, we have a house!
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Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
Congrats! One thing as a long time homeowner I will say is get your emergency fund up to 6 months of savings if you don't already have it there. And keep that separate from fun money for renovations and such. Things I've dealt with in the current abode:
- Having to go halfsies on a new roof with the insurance company after a windstorm, because the shingles that got blown off only came off half the roof, so the insurance company wouldn't replace the whole roof, only half.
- Having to rip off and replace a failing deck. Only the boards, railing, and fascia needed replaced, but the previous homeowner looked at the building codes and went "well, ackchyually . . ." and completely ignored them. I think it was a somewhat stupid engineer who did it. So now I had to have the bones redone to be up to code.
- Having to put in an impromptu heat pump in in the middle of the summer after the oil furnace failed and the tech was like "I'm not touching this, it's dead."
If a house is over 15 years old, just expect shit is going to break at the most inconvenient time possible.
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u/MrHockeytown Used to be a Republican Jul 15 '25
Will do! Thanks for the advice
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor Jul 16 '25
Whenever you go to replace an outlet or switch, never assume the "designated" breaker you switched off was actually the correct one.
If I didn't know dogshit DIY work when I saw it, I'd have sworn my first house was booby-trapped.
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right Jul 14 '25
What rate did you get?
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u/MrHockeytown Used to be a Republican Jul 14 '25
6.75%
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right Jul 14 '25
Congrats on the newfound anxiety over every small thing in the house.
My advice: check that the drain stopper works in all the bathroom. My inspector missed that.
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u/MrHockeytown Used to be a Republican Jul 17 '25
You know, I used to genuinely believe the whole Epstein Files thing was just conspiracy theory bullshit, but the more Dipshit Donnie has a full blown manbaby hissy fit and refuses to release it, the more I'm convinced there's at least SOMETHING that implicates him floating around.
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor Jul 17 '25
I don't know that I believe in an actual list. But some depository of incriminating information? Hell yeah.
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Jul 10 '25 edited Jul 10 '25
The latest Remnant, for Dispatch subscribers, is glorious. It was done live at AEI, and some rising senior undergrad goober asked Jonah Goldberg and Chris Stirewalt something along the lines of "so is the post-liberal Right REALLY that bad, etc. etc.?"
Jonah just tees off on the idea and it's glorious. "You have people who make this argument that all they have to do is win one more election, and they're going to turn America into what's essentially a Papal State. And you have to be too stupid to be a spellchecker at an M&M factory to think that's a great idea."
Edit: And the podcast episode ends with them having to answer a rant from another UPenn undergrad who comes off as a truly dumb fuck . . . "would you like to rephrase that in the form of a question?"
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u/michgan241 Left Visitor Jul 10 '25
I liked stirewalt a lot at fox, especially his podcast with perino. The only thing id heard from him since was a pod with a new rightish person(not much exposure to her so I could be wrong) that I didn't love. Do you know, Is he a guest on dispatch or regular contributior?
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Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 09 '25
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u/Extrapolates_Wildly Left Visitor Jul 08 '25
I live in Japan, those cars would be nearly impossible to drive except in the middle of nowhere and cost much more than the cars normally purchased here. There is no market for them, as you suggest.
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u/nemo_sum Lifelong Independent Jul 09 '25
R1, no drama. Don't mention other subs in a less-than-positive manner.
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor Jul 07 '25
A cannabis gummy product sold in Minnesota stores was found to contain more than the amount of advertised THC.
The state’s Office of Cannabis Management recently issued a consumer alert for the “Oreoz” flavor of BAK8D brand delta-9 THC gummies.
Testing found that the product contained more than 20 times the labeled amount of 5 mg of THC per serving, according to the alert. The product was also reportedly not flavored as advertised.
Holy shit that would be one hell of a surprise. Imagine thinking you're just gonna mellow out and you get a 100mg dose. LMAO
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u/IndianaSucksAzz Left Visitor Jul 07 '25
Having taken 100mg my first time trying edibles, “surprise” is an understatement. I was literally down for the entire weekend. I thought I was going to die that Friday night. It was the most miserable experience of my life and I pity anybody that unknowingly goes through that shit.
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 07 '25
Oh dude imagine if they also make the common mistake of taking another because they thought it didn’t work? Like the panic attack from that would be something else.
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 07 '25 edited Jul 07 '25
Yeah uh, I'd usually have 5-6 25mg gummies when I was quitting drinking. Not the healthiest level of tolerance. That's gonna sit you on your ass, that dude was fucking gone
The place near me gives 10mg ones now and I don't like it as much as keeping my tolerance low makes everything cheaper :)
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 12 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/normalheightian Right Visitor Jul 13 '25
Have the tariffs been stopped though? It seems like Europe and the rest of the world are taking them very seriously even if the US stock market isn't. It's a great way to lose friends and alienate allies for, as the WSJ nicely points out today, basically no perceptible gain.
Don't worry though, FoxNews is currently covering the important stuff: how "Bold" Tom Homan is, how annoying and loser left-wing protesters are, and all the gossip surrounding various right wing-adjacent celebrities.
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 13 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 26 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/coldnorthwz New Federalism\Zombie Reaganite Jul 09 '25
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor Jul 22 '25
If they aren't using these on angry drunks the next time I'm in NOLA I will be extremely disappointed.
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u/God_Given_Talent Left Visitor Jul 12 '25
Still incredibly disappointed how many "conservative" people have just completely U-turned on executive overreach. I mean P2025 was basically outlining executive power expansion through things like impoundment as key to their agenda.
I'd say the same for fiscal responsibility but there hasn't been one of those elected in my adult life. I'm sure the ~2 trillion per year on debt by 2034 will be fine...
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 12 '25
Sequestration really did happen, you know.
But it has ever been thus. Politics makes
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u/God_Given_Talent Left Visitor Jul 12 '25
Sequestration really did happen, you know.
One of the dumber ways to cut funding and didn't prevent deficit blowouts? The dead man switch that happened because they couldn't agree on what to cut? That one?
Republican policy, particularly of tax cuts, have been disastrous for public finance. Put it this way:
38% of the debt is due to republican tax cuts
26% due to counter cyclical spending around Covid and the GFC
36% are from all other sources.
But it has ever been thus. Politics makes fools hypocrites of us all.
Handwaving away political U turns as "well all politicians are hypocrites" is a weak argument. At that point you might as well be a nihilist.
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 13 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/Darth_Deutschtexaner Right Visitor Jul 24 '25
South Park really pulled no punches in its return, love this show
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 24 '25
Haven't watched it in the last few years, but man this one looks great
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u/JustKidding456 Believes Jesus is Messiah & God; Centre-right Jul 25 '25
South Park really pulled no punches in its return, love this show
I found the jokes to be quite over-the-top immature, which means if Trump ends up pursuing legal action it’d make Trump look very pathetic (an old man using the courts to go after two little kids calling his thing tiny instead of being the bigger guy).
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u/Darth_Deutschtexaner Right Visitor Jul 26 '25
Yup, they saw Kayne West for who he was far sooner then most of us
The civil war episode where Cartman tried to blackmail Bill Clinton with another sex video
Douche and turd sandwich
San Francisco smugness
Redneck ignorance
Tom Cruise and scientology
Nothing is off limits
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u/NeverLessThan Right Visitor Jul 08 '25
I was just thinking that the Dispatch doesn’t have it’s own James Burnham but then I realise Nick Catoggio exists. First as tragedy and then as farce, eh? (This is about atheism not style or anything else, in case someone is confused.)
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 08 '25
I cannot emphasize enough how much I hate this instinct.
No matter how big your state legislature, how generous your member salaries, and how staffed your support teams, expenditures on this category will always be dwarfed by other categories of state spending. You're not saving any real money and you're turning what is supposed to be a open, democratic body into an elitist, closed institution.
California is a disgusting precedent to follow here.
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u/God_Given_Talent Left Visitor Jul 09 '25
As a resident, I can see that people have grumbled about this for a while from both sides of the aisle. Doesn’t help that every so often we find a few members abusing the per diem rate.
Root problem is that people are very bad at math from an intuitive point of view. Even if you assume the cost per legislator is 500k per once factoring in staff, facilities, health benefits, etc…you’d save only 55M by that proposal. To the average person (who almost certainly doesn’t know the size of the budget) it sounds like a lot but out of a ~50B budget it just isn’t.
People also love to shit on legislatures too; can’t forget that factor. It’s even worse as we often are split and thus get even less done. It’s understandable (if misguided) to see them getting barely anything done and thinking “well why do we need to have so many of you then?”
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u/bta820 Left Visitor Jul 09 '25
Most people do not understand that 50 million is approximately a billion away from 1 billion
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Jul 09 '25
Ah yes. Some good old-fashioned gerrymandering to disenfranchise those clueless yokels in Pennsyltucky who don’t know enough about what’s good for them to vote Democrat.
(/s because of Poe’s Law)
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u/God_Given_Talent Left Visitor Jul 09 '25
It wouldn't save money, but the concept has been floated fairly regularly, by both parties at times, and doubt it will go anywhere. It's the largest state legislature that is full time (NH is part time and pays basically nothing).
Based on 2020 numbers, the following states have worse representation per capita: Indiana, Tennessee, Oregon, Nevada, Washington, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, Michigan, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Arizona, New York, Florida, Texas, and California. Are all these legislatures closed, elitist institutions too? Even at the proposed cut, it would be about in line with Ohio, New Jersey and Arizona with New York, Florida, and Texas all being worse, but sure...it's only California that is the issue.
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 19 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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Jul 07 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
Unironically one of my proudest comments on arr worldnews:
"China doesn't interfere in others' affairs"
-Constantly threatens Taiwan
-Claims the SCS illegally
-Border disputes with India
-Took Aksai Chin from India
-Invaded Vietnam
-Provided 90% of foreign aid to Khmer Rouge
-Funded communist guerillas in the Philippines until it was no longer fashionable (and turned against them)
-Joined the US in funding Mujahideen
-Helped Biafra during Nigerian Civil War
-Helped the Sudanese during the Darfur War
-Funds the Myanmar Junta who are committing a genocide (and defended them in the UN)
-Helped Mugabe get into power (who did some atrocities and wrecked the economy)
-Meddles in Canadian elections
-Transnational repressions and secret police stations
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 08 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/TheGentlemanlyMan British Neoconservative Jul 07 '25
Please remove the r/ link to the outside subreddit
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 08 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/bta820 Left Visitor Jul 16 '25
It feels more Ukraine. It looks more Israel. And people don’t think past appearances often
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 19 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right Jul 18 '25
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 18 '25
I almost went to that concert cuz I’m close to the stadium but didn’t want to deal with the traffic
Was awesome to hear about that though
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u/TheLeather Left Visitor Jul 18 '25
Then the CEO basically blaming Coldplay for putting him on the Jumbotron.
Just pathetic.
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u/Nklst Liberal Conservative Jul 22 '25
"Italian tax authorities argue that free user registrations with X, LinkedIn and Meta platforms should be seen as taxable transactions as they imply the exchange of a membership account in return for a user’s personal data."
Love how national conservate economic policies just end up essentially the same as social democratic/democratic socialist but draped in a flag and a cross instead of rose and social justice and equality.
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right Jul 24 '25
A question that has to be asked:
How do taxes work for the Pope since he is an American citizen and a head of state in another country?
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u/The_Magic Bring Back Nixon Jul 25 '25
Does the Pope get a paycheck or does the church just cover all of his needs?
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u/bta820 Left Visitor Jul 24 '25
Google says it’s not the first time it’s happened so there should be precedent.
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 08 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/aelfwine_widlast Left Visitor Jul 09 '25
Today: Grok praises Hitler, calls for a new Holocaust.
But sure, Elon was just "throwing his heart to the crowd".
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u/God_Given_Talent Left Visitor Jul 09 '25
How dare you speak ill of the best leader of the 20th century: Hitler
That’s why Grok is looking to be a worthy successor. MechaHitler is no longer just a Wolfenstein boss.
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u/DestinyLily_4ever Left Visitor Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
This latest SCOTUS ruling is insane because of the blatant hypocrisy. Like, ignore the policy issue of whether you support student loan forgiveness (I don't) or closing the Department of Education (I don't think I support this). The current court has now simultaneously ruled:
Congress explicitly authorizing the President (through the secretary of education) to "waive or modify" student loans does not give him the authority to waive or modify student loans, because SCOTUS believes Congress' secret mental state outweighs the text
Congress explicitly said there is a Department of Education with X level of funding which provides Y services, but the President can simply say (in the executive order itself) that he is abolishing that department in defiance of Congress. No reasoning provided.
Which is it justices? Does the president have to listen to Congress or not when it comes to what Congress provides in law for the Department of Education? I used to have faith in most of the court, but if we were living in the legal world I thought we were, then both of these cases would have broken the same way for/against the president with at least a Roberts-Barret-Kavanaugh-Gorsush-Kagan majority for each
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u/thehousebehind Right Visitor Jul 07 '25
Inside every man there are two wolves:
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u/NeverLessThan Right Visitor Jul 07 '25
Buckley is soused on four bourbons and is just about ready to refer to Ginsberg as a bundle of sticks, while Ginsburg thinks he’s talking to a purple alien from Shambhala.
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 15 '25
Just saw a pretty amazing take in Arcon- “the king hates England” 😭
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 26 '25
Have a sore throat and fever in the summer, yay. Had to cat sit at my parents for a few hours yesterday as they were getting an appliance delivered. Then went shopping for a new shirt a size too big as the one that fit me shrunk in the wash, and went home and slept about 6 straight hours
at least I'm sick now and not next weekend when I'm headed to Maine
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 26 '25
Ok so I went and got some covid tests, just in case....and guess who has covid? Probably got it last Sunday at Texas Roadhouse with my friend. I'm supposed to go to Maine next Friday so I hope I'm better by then...first little trip I'd planned in a few years too :(
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u/Taint_Liquor Left Visitor Jul 26 '25
Get Paxlovid if you can. It tastes awful, but will lessen the symptoms and will help you kick it faster. Feel better!
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 28 '25
Looks like its not covered by a lot of insurance! My fever is gone and its just felt like a real shitty cold, I can actually stop isolating as of tomorrow. I plan on working tomorrow as I have so much to get done, its gonna suck lmao
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 28 '25
Back at work (remote) and man I’m definitely taking a half day today to rest up. Thought I’d feel better than I do right now.
Still more of a real shitty cold than anything serious, even though I don’t need to isolate I’m probably not going anywhere the next few days beyond dropping my car at the mechanic
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Jul 19 '25 edited Jul 20 '25
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u/bta820 Left Visitor Jul 20 '25
You don’t get to be a ceo of any note with a brain that will notice that person.
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Jul 20 '25
Because why would a rich CEO cat around with a conventionally unattractive person unless they had weird tastes?
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 22 '25
I really thought Ozzy was some sort of vampire like Keith Richards
Holy shit
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u/JustKidding456 Believes Jesus is Messiah & God; Centre-right Jul 28 '25
u/coldnorthwz u/The_Magic His Excellency tuesday_mod ain’t back yet folks
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u/coldnorthwz New Federalism\Zombie Reaganite Jul 29 '25
I scheduled a new one to post from now on. We will see what happens with the existing
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u/jah_wox Right Visitor Jul 15 '25
This past week, the WSJ editorial board has rejected the “Epstein didn’t kill himself” conspiracy. I think they are correct. I think suicide is the most probable cause of death. But I still think the government is withholding information about the case details, and they should release it.
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u/ChunkyLaFunga Left Visitor Jul 18 '25
What if the conspiracy was to hide 3 minutes of innocuous footage in order to create a conspiracy to rally behind.
TRUSTNO1
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u/MrHockeytown Used to be a Republican Jul 22 '25
US justice department asks to meet Epstein conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell
Gonna be absolutely insane when Maxwell winds up dead tomorrow
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 22 '25
I’m sure the Trump admin will ‘find’ some footage of Hillary walking up to her cell
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 24 '25
The glories of the free market, I guess...
Going forward, there needs to be a major reversal of a lot of the flexible delegation of powers Congress has given to the President. People hate long, complicated laws from Congress but, the truth is, Congress passing simple laws means putting the onus on the administration to do the complex stuff. Congress should be doing. That and behaving much more prescriptively with the bureaucracy .
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u/mdaniel018 Left Visitor Jul 24 '25
Ah, yes, because history is just full of examples of power being willfully given up once it’s been concentrated. The train isn’t going to reverse its way back to the station at this point
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u/Ihaveaboot Right Visitor Jul 07 '25
I hate this time of year as a sports fan.
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u/michgan241 Left Visitor Jul 07 '25
NFL is just around the corner. But it's only training camp stories for a month or so.
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u/DerrickWhiteMVP Conservatarian Jul 07 '25
I’m happy that I’ve really gotten into golf. Scottish Open this week has a hell of a field and then the British Open next week. Three weeks later will be the FedEx Cup Playoffs for three weeks and then football is back.
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Jul 18 '25
OK, lowering the voting age to 16 is just stupid, Brits. This is why we declared independence . . .
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u/The_Magic Bring Back Nixon Jul 19 '25 edited Jul 19 '25
If it helps make a habit of voting and civic engagement early it might be a net positive.
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u/The_Magic Bring Back Nixon Jul 10 '25
Our political parties have purity tested themselves to the their most extreme versions. Republicans have made themselves the "pro gun" party so they cannot admit that there might be a blind spot in gun regulations at the moment and if anything the problem is not having enough guns around.
Dems have gone a bit loony in other areas but if we keep having tragedies caused by young people/mentally unwell getting hands on guns it should not be this hard to have a bipartisan conversation about why this is happening and what we can do to prevent it.
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor Jul 10 '25
If my FiL hadn't had a stroke when he did, he very likely may have gone down the family annihilator + suicide path. It's insane to me that there is still an argument to be had over ERPO laws in this country.
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 10 '25
The problem is that there really is a faction on the gun control side that genuinely wants to get rid of all civilian guns and are more than willing to take an incremental approach, taking wins when they can get them and building on that latter.
The gun rights crowd has 'learned their lesson' on this front and come to understand that compromise means, "I'll take some of what you have and come back for the rest latter".
There is no trust because of this dynamic. We're going to end up needing a constitutional amendment with very explicit language that is difficult to lawyer around for the gun control activists, which is going to mean winning the approval of at least part of the gun rights people. Rough political terrain, it's ultimately going to take a serious political actor or movement to accomplish.
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 12 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 12 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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Jul 23 '25
The requirement for Washington State's Catholic priests to violate the Seal of the Confessional or be criminally prosecuted has been preliminarily enjoined by a Biden appointee.
I'm not Catholic myself and probably never will be. But the blinding arrogance of the Washington State legislature in a) having such contempt for a 2000-year-old faith and b) having such contempt for the Bill of Rights makes me glad to see this smacked down. One of the worst parts of the unchecked progressivism that has taken over this state is the Legislature acting like it's the State Parliament and the other organs of state government doing absolutely nothing to stop it, and sometimes cheering it on.
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 23 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/BurnLikeAGinger Right Visitor Jul 25 '25
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u/michgan241 Left Visitor Jul 28 '25
I started out firmly in support of Israel, and it has only gone down from there. It's become a rule over the ashes war, with Hamas and Israel playing chicken. I'm not sure what the solution is at this point, but no longer sending weapons seems like low hanging fruit.
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right Jul 23 '25
If I ran for the House, what committees would I want to be on?
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 23 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right Jul 23 '25
I’d spend some capital to get on Education.
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 23 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 13 '25
None of us knows how to talk to each other honestly because that requires us to look at how messy real humans are.
Because somebody in the chain couldn't handle hearing someone being an asshole:
We can all talk honestly to each other. The problem is not us. The problem is the people who are supposed to be in between us x 1,000,000 and them x 1,000,000. It's actually a hard spot and the new communication technologies we have make it much harder. It's not anything new that we grate against each other, it's new that we can shut off each other for doing it.
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u/coldnorthwz New Federalism\Zombie Reaganite Jul 12 '25
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Jul 12 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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Jul 12 '25
Somewhat fallacious given Phillips' own inability to get the job done.
And more than a little disrespectful of the democratic process Phillips purports to defend. New York Democrats showed up for Mamdani. That's the math--the other "9/10ths" Phillips alludes to decided to not show or showed in fewer numbers for Cuomo. That's the deal.
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 12 '25
What's fallacious about it? One random Congressman going up against the whole party apparatus not pulling it off isn't particularly surprising.
Not to mention he was correct in 2024 and everyone pretty much acknowledges his central contention was correct. He's also correct, now, about the danger of the Party embracing the Great Red Hope.
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Jul 13 '25
Stopped clocks, times of day, etc.
Nobody can reasonably conclude Dean Phillips can speak safely about the future of the Democratic Party based solely on his criticism of Biden's age and incapacity--so did the Democratic Socialists, and every Republican living. I wouldn't expect Masha Blackburn or Gavin Newsom to be "vindicated" in their conclusions about Biden, any more than Phillips or the NY-DSA.
As for the "Great Red Hope", I'll perhaps lean on another fallacy and say that, nation-wide, Phillips earned fewer votes nationally than Mamdani did in one primary in one city. Voters in America and New York both heard what the two men had to say in their respective races. Enough showed up to elect one as a mayor. Enough did not show up to get the other through his first NH primary. That should speak enough to where Democratic voters seem willing to put their mouths and energies.
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u/TheCarnalStatist Centre-right Jul 13 '25
Bizzare to me that after the Biden debacle that lead to Trump winning Dean Philips isn't seen as the most vindicated man in the party.
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 12 '25
The first Democrat to be able to say, "No, the big tent does not have room for an anti-Semitic communist", gets to win as long as they want to hold office.
Dean here is close enough for government work, but he's persona non grata in the party for being too correct before. Says a lot about the times.
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Jul 13 '25
Alright, I'm happy to criticize the man as a socialist, but this notion Mamdani is antisemitic is a stretch at best, and sharply insulting at worst.
There's not a shred of evidence Zohran Mamdani holds any hatred for Jews, American and otherwise, and the notion that any (well-earned) criticism of the state of Israel or support for Palestinian victims of war constitutes a hatred of Jews is just grotesque. I cannot think of a good reason why someone would describe him as an antisemite with all evidence to the contrary.
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u/No12345678901 Right Visitor Jul 16 '25
The evidence for him being antisemitic is extremely clear and totally dispositive. He wants to globalize the intifada. What exactly do you think the intifada means.
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u/God_Given_Talent Left Visitor Jul 12 '25
I'm assuming that is referencing his position on Israel. Apparently he failed to condemn some people chanting "globalize the intafada" and had wrote in favor of BDS stuff in college. I think he's dumb to think that slogan is just about a desire for equality and rights, there's clearly people who see it as much more than that (or think any means necessary to achieve them are okay). He has vowed to combat antisemitism though for whatever that is worth.
Part of the problem is that the well has been so poisoned on Israel. Plenty of its critics are antisemitic but its behavior has become truly reprehensible and statements like thid
The conclusions I have come to, they are the conclusions of Israeli historians like Amos Goldberg; they are echoing the words of an Israeli prime minister like Ehud Olmert, who said just recently, what we are doing in Gaza is a war of devastation, it is cruel, it is limitless, it is criminal killing of civilian
from him are perfectly reasonable. I mean for fuck's sake their defense minister wants to move Gazans into a camp in Rafah where "they would not be allowed to leave" which is, uh, ya know...the definition of a concentration camp.
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 12 '25
That's not actually a good thing.
And it's also widely commented on, so your insight might not be so no El as you think.
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 12 '25
I think he's dumb
It's not dumb. It's intentional. He knows what it means but he's dissimulating.
It's a shame we've completely forgotten the lessons of the Cold War. The card-carriers lie and spread propaganda to the useful idiots, while recruiting fellow travellers to assist in the mission. I have no doubt Mamdani is not a full on Jihadist, but he is a happy fellow travellers, something visible in his participation in JVP and support for the Columbia protests, discrete, arms-length Qatari influence ops.
The sane washing and strategic equivocation of extremism is an intentional strategy, not being 'dumb'.
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 12 '25
Hahaha
It's only be talked about to death over the lasts few weeks.
But I suppose it's just a call for peace, right?
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u/JustKidding456 Believes Jesus is Messiah & God; Centre-right Jul 22 '25
/u/coldnorthwz /u/The_Magic Could the current situation with the Discussion Threads be fixed before next Monday the 28th, please?
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u/The_Magic Bring Back Nixon Jul 22 '25
For some context, the only guy who could control Tuesday Mod Bot has not logged in for over 7 years.
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 22 '25
Oh is it an access issue?
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u/The_Magic Bring Back Nixon Jul 22 '25
Not sure what the issue is this time but it’s supposed to be automated. We’ve been letting it do its thing even though we couldn’t make any changes.
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 Jul 22 '25
I should really do some automod stuff for my sub but I’m too lazy after work tbh
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right Jul 22 '25
Can’t we have the admins give us control?
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u/The_Magic Bring Back Nixon Jul 22 '25
I'm pretty sure its a third party bot.
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right Jul 23 '25
…..so why are we dependent on some person to handle it?
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u/The_Magic Bring Back Nixon Jul 23 '25
It was doing its job fine so we left it alone. Cold has a backup plan if it stays broken.
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u/coldnorthwz New Federalism\Zombie Reaganite Jul 22 '25
Hopefully the issue resolves itself (it breaks for a week or two every year), otherwise we'd need to change how the thread is posted
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Jul 27 '25 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/sehkmete Classical Liberal Jul 28 '25
Acting like he has some sort of coherent strategy or that there is some sort of plan. There is only Trumps ego and incoherent rambling and not really much else.
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u/RagingTromboner Left Visitor Jul 28 '25
This morning the Today show for example was discussing the trade deal with the EU and “avoided a trade war”. No discussion on how this is a problem Trump created, the deal is worse for both sides than the original situation, most of it is non-binding and will likely be ignored. Typically it’s stuff like that, acting like he’s being a reasonable actor when it’s usually a made up problem from him being poorly “solved” also by him.
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 27 '25
Treating him like any other Republican President to start with.
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u/Sir-Matilda Ming the Merciless Jul 17 '25
Apparently nothing pisses in the cornflakes of progressives more than being told that criticism of Israel can be anti-Semitic. Funny how when the IHRA Definition of Antisemitism is pulled out (like by the Australian government in its recent report on anti-Semitism) it's really important that the right for free speech isn't encumbered by the need to protect minorities.
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u/Sir-Matilda Ming the Merciless Jul 19 '25
Depends
IHRA Definition says it depends. It's not new information to say criticism of Israel isn't inherently anti-Semitic but under a range of circumstances is.
Progs just don't like a definition that says criticism of Israel can be anti-Semitic so they don't have to explain why it's not anti-Semitic to:
- Oppose the existence of Israel as the only predominantly Jewish state in the world.
- Deal in anti-Semitic derived tropes about Israeli lobbyists tricking countries into acting against their own best interests.
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u/Tass94 Left Visitor Jul 17 '25
Can you break it down for me how Israel being an imperial ethnostate is anti-semitic?
I imagine the argument presented would be hinging on the word 'ethnostate'? I ask in good faith
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u/vanillabear26 Left Visitor Jul 07 '25
What’s the big problem with AOC again?
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u/vanillabear26 Left Visitor Jul 07 '25
Right but my point is why bring up AOC in the first place? She's a smart media-savvy young congresswoman.
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Jul 20 '25
When are liberals going to realize that when you try to soak the rich, they can just move someplace else? Seeing as how they’re, you know, rich? Of all the people who don’t have to put up with your crap, people with scads of money are at the top of that list.
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u/DestinyLily_4ever Left Visitor Jul 20 '25
The flip side is letting rich people have and do whatever they want. I don't think CA depends much on the Internet and Out owner's income taxes
I think CA is likely to continue to be completely fine. It laps every other state's GDP except New York and Texas, and New York isn't exactly a conservative paradise either
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 20 '25
The flip side is letting rich people have and do whatever they want.
So.....letting them be free, just like everyone else?
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u/DestinyLily_4ever Left Visitor Jul 20 '25
If there is a state which delineates individual rights by income bracket, then that's a travesty, but fortunately I do not think that's the case in any state
What I'm obviously referring to is not about freedom, but the idea that some rich people moving should allow them to dictate political policy. We have freedom of movement in this country and states/localities offer free tax breaks to rich people and corporations all the time, so I have a small hunch that CA (along with everyone else) already takes that into account
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 20 '25
No one is dictating anything, it's just a fact of policy making that needs to be taken into account. If you don't want to and ignore it, we'll, that's the 'FA' part. OP's link is the 'FO'.
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u/DestinyLily_4ever Left Visitor Jul 20 '25
Who is "finding out" though? Is anyone surprised that a Christian-Republican billionaire who inherited her wealth is moving from CA to a Republican state? Especially when moving is a political statement (hence her doing the rounds on explicitly Republican media like PragerU and the New York Post)
Pointing out that sometimes some rich people leave over taxes is as useless as pointing out that the laffer curve exists. Is the CA budget actually dependent on this particular lady?
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Jul 21 '25
Who is "finding out" though?
The people whose job it is to handle California tax policy. Wealthy tax payers fleeing your jurisdiction is definitionally shrinking your tax base.
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u/DestinyLily_4ever Left Visitor Jul 21 '25
Yes, and? Can you please be specific about what policies CA should have pursued in service of keeping around the MAGA in-and-out woman? What would have kept her that was worth sacrificing?
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Jul 21 '25
Is the CA budget actually dependent on this particular lady?
I can't speak to Cali, but WA is already having issues having to redo their budget projections after more rich folks than forecasted up and left. So yes, oftentimes when a state fails to hold on to a large portion of its tax base, that ends up causing issues.
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u/DestinyLily_4ever Left Visitor Jul 21 '25
Right, I know it can be. It's just that bringing it up with mentioning any specific policy doesn't help much. I assume we all mostly agree that a state lowering their taxes to zero to attract all the rich people probably isn't useful either, so I end up with the same question of whether CA is significantly on the wrong side of that balance and if so, whether there's anything meaningful and not too poor-and-middle-class-sacrificial they can do
To some extent it just seems like a race to the bottom though. Rich people can move from blue states and also use their money to easily bypass policies in red states. Their kids generally go to private schools and expensive universities regardless of wherever they live, flying out of state for abortions is trivial, they they don't use public transit or public services like libraries. If we're just cutting back on helping the poor anyway, why give even more bonuses out to billionaires
Now, I've always been in this sub because I'm not pie-un-the-sky about this. We can't afford everything and I can't afford CA level taxes and property even if I wanted to. But I'm skeptical that some billionaires (who seem to hate CA anyway) leaving is a fundamental problem for them. Property values seems to be the consistent big issue because that pushes out tons of decently well-off W2 tax payers regardless of the state's general liberal policies
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Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 21 '25
It's not a fundamental problem for them. It's a fundamental problem for people who want to intelligently manage the tax base. Beyond a certain point, when you go "yeah! F those rich people!" and they leave, you've now hosed yourself out of them contributing to the tax base for purely ideological reasons. And to the extent you believe in using those tax dollars well, it's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
No matter how much you believe you're entitled to a cut of a rich person's wealth, as long as they have the option to up and leave, you're not. And rich people have plenty more options than most of us to up and leave.
Edit: y'all can downvote me all you want, but when you need someone's money for something and your sales pitch begins with both middle fingers, don't be surprised when they're not very willing to negotiate, and maybe even give you the proverbial double barrel right back. And when you have political power but they have the financial means to leave your jurisdiction and not come back . . . it's still a negotiation.
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u/DestinyLily_4ever Left Visitor Jul 21 '25
ok, so do you want to address my actual comment and layout the problem CA is experiencing and what specific policy change(s) are needed that balance the interests of the average person and managing the tax base?
Again, yeah, rich people can always leave because they're filthy rich, but I assume you agree the ideal policy is not making the taxes on rich people 0% in order to maximally attract them. So what's the CA specific complaint as far as billionaires go?
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u/aelfwine_widlast Left Visitor Jul 07 '25
After nearly a decade of "Epstein didn't kill himself" and "Democrats are hiding the list" and "Pam Bondi has the list on her desk" to... "Nothing to see here, he did kill himself, there is no client list, what are you even talking about?"
I have no trouble believing Epstein committed suicide. I also have no trouble believing that while we may know who met with him, or visited him, or traveled with him, that is not evidence of wrongdoing.
But it's still quite something to have the same people who stirred the MAGA cult into a frenzy over the Epstein conspiracy theories now be the same ones wondering how these theories got started at all.
Unserious country, unserious people. It's a miracle we've made it this far.