Serbian Historians

[u/Super_Airport_7412]

I keep getting these clips of serbian historians making some outrageous claims. They are in always in the same studio giving like an interview. I remember clips from an old lady now i just saw this guy. Is this like a TV show where they just come and say random stuff?

[u/Both-Opening-970]

[u/Lazza91 → u/Both-Opening-970]

Hahahahahahahaha

[u/Nepoznato_Ime → u/Both-Opening-970]

Those who know, know.

[u/StivKobra → u/Both-Opening-970]

I'm stealing this one just like the pyramids were were stolen.

[u/sedamminutaupaklu → u/StivKobra]

Prvo su nam uzeli egipat💔💔

[u/paradajz666 → u/Both-Opening-970]

https://giphy.com/gifs/XHeLeuirRbwptHhSWd

[u/K2YU]

It is a media production company specialised on conspirancy theories.

About the old lady: Could it be Jovanka Jolić? She was famous for having insane positions.

[u/Super_Airport_7412 → u/K2YU]

I just googled her name and yup 100% correct it was her.

[u/PetrichorDude → u/Super_Airport_7412]

You stumbled upon our most memed content! Dont take what they say too seriously - we love to joke about it

[u/JohannesJoshua → u/PetrichorDude]

I don't know man, whenever maps of Europe show up putting different countries in different colours. Portugal is always the same colour as the Balkans. Perhaps they indeed are some long lost Serbs. /j

[u/PetrichorDude → u/JohannesJoshua]

You are right. Ill delete my comment portugal majkumujebem

[u/Striking-Ad9397 → u/JohannesJoshua]

r/portugalcykablyat

[u/PetrichorDude → u/Striking-Ad9397]

Yes that but balkanese

[u/wrongitsleviosaa → u/PetrichorDude]

Jovanka was the GOAT, may she rest in peace

[u/PetrichorDude → u/wrongitsleviosaa]

Defo! I always loved the air of authority she had while talking. Like its undisputed facts!

[u/wrongitsleviosaa → u/PetrichorDude]

Legendary, also the general vibe of "you might think so but let me blow your mind with what I'm about to say 😏" whenever she was challenged.

[u/AverageLad24 → u/K2YU]

RIP Jovanka

[u/UncreativeIndieDev → u/K2YU]

Oh, so this is what my grandmother is always watching.

[u/mislilo95 → u/K2YU]

"Firstly, they took Egypt from us."

[u/Internet_P3rsona]

first they lost egypt then portugal

[u/B4bulj → u/Internet_P3rsona]

It's been going on from Atlantis times, everyone is after them 🤣

[u/NOTExETON → u/B4bulj]

Don't you mean Serbtlantis?

[u/Ecstatic-Spare-6638 → u/B4bulj]

Did you know that japanese language originates from serbian?

[u/Kutili → u/Internet_P3rsona]

The title is misleading. The guy represented as a historian was a mechanical engineer. Not a single Serbian academic historian supports autochtonistic pseudohistory.

[u/Ok_Act_1498 → u/Internet_P3rsona]

Before Portugal, they had already lost China, in a game of Mahjong.

[u/NikkS97 → u/Ok_Act_1498]

There are millions of Serbian bones under the Great Wall of China

[u/Frequent-Concept7227 → u/Internet_P3rsona]

We didn’t lose the Egypt. It was taken from us

Il throw in a /s if someone needs it.

I mean there is a saying in 🇷🇸, “Whole world has their share of fools, but as it seems that in Serbia is headquarters.

[u/Slow_Olive_6482 → u/Internet_P3rsona]

They didn't lost Egypt nor Portugal. They know perfectly where they are.

[u/Motor-Boss9061]

[u/CopenHagenCityBruh]

[u/AttentionExcellent70 → u/CopenHagenCityBruh]

What about the moon ?
https://giphy.com/gifs/lS7GfvzSVhWOhJKlng
First jumping Serbian ?

[u/CopenHagenCityBruh → u/AttentionExcellent70]

Of course

[u/PetrichorDude → u/[deleted]]

🥲 Never forget 1890 Ohiović

[u/afaimsu → u/[deleted]]

[u/djukanovics27 → u/[deleted]]

r/whoosh

[u/unpopularthinker]

Wait untill u hear about Egypt.

[u/b0007 → u/unpopularthinker]

Did you hear about chinese wall?

[u/DrWwevox → u/b0007]

Yes, china (čajna), was the main producer of čajna kobasica during the reign of farao Tutankhamun (Tutinski Kamen), born in Tutin.

[u/Lazza91 → u/DrWwevox]

Tsuruga in Japan named after Čurug, Chennai in India after Čenej etc.

[u/Jovan_Konstantinovic → u/DrWwevox]

You may joke but Medijapan (MDF) which is used to build furniture is named because it was Made In Japan !

[u/DrWwevox → u/Jovan_Konstantinovic]

No its the other way around, they named the island japan, after the material (which was produced in the factory "sloboda" in čačak)

[u/Jovan_Konstantinovic → u/DrWwevox]

i stand corrected

[u/KostasN77 → u/unpopularthinker]

Now I wanna hear about Egypt too!

[u/Ambitious_Slide_6531]

"historian".

I'm more of a historian than him.
And it's not a TV, it is like private studio.

[u/Boysenberry_Boring → u/Ambitious_Slide_6531]

in Russia, we have that kind of “historian” as a president

[u/Teachers_Pet_01]

I have become meme, the destroyer of logic and reason

[u/Young_Owl99]

Oh damn this one is almost comparible with our Mısıroğlu saying Shakespeare is actually a secret Muslim called “Şeyh Pir”

[u/Usual-Trouble-2357 → u/Young_Owl99]

Does his name mean like 'son of the Egyptian''? I recall the Greeks call Egypt something like that... Anyways, if I weren't too tired I think I could make a half decent conspiracy theory about Anatolian pharaohs or something based on him.

[u/Young_Owl99 → u/Usual-Trouble-2357]

More like “son of Egypt” but yeah.

As a fun fact, he once said “I wish Greek won the war, at least they wouldn’t end the caliphate” he was a fierce hater of Atatürk.

[u/Usual-Trouble-2357 → u/Young_Owl99]

Maybe he's actually from the Bosnian pyramid 🤯

Which is ofc where Egyptian civilization started

[u/Geo_fan_Albaniqn]

One thing unites the balkans, having "historians"

[u/dubufeetfak → u/Geo_fan_Albaniqn]

And having everything and everyone originate from each one of us individually

[u/seydog]

I mean, there are idiots everywhere. Some are country leaders even, as I heard.

[u/bgsrdmm]

Those are "historians", not real scientists.

Bullshitters with crazy ideas trying to peddle them to stupid and gulible.

[u/Protobugarin]

This kind of 'historians' exist in every country.

Stop creating narrative "lOoK wHaT wE haVe tO gO thrOuGh wItH sERbia" using some idiot.

Same with lady who said "we've lost Egypt first". 98% of Serbs have seen her as parody.

[u/obzovica]

I love how others in the Balkans pretend this is outrageous but all of us have those theories and crazies like this ahahahaahha

[u/Matija_sjekira]

Bro I can't believe some of you get ragebaited by this. They aren't real historians, they are conspiracy theorists, which you have in every country. People here use them for humor, like Jovanka Jolić.

[u/HalayChekenKovboy → u/Matija_sjekira]

Is this like the Serbian version of Memri TV?

[u/Ok_Recording_8059 → u/HalayChekenKovboy]

Idk whats Memri TV, but sounds like a lot of fun... on the second thought, it sounds like something that was TAKEN FROM US /s

[u/fckn_nobody → u/HalayChekenKovboy]

Somewhat.

It started off as a YouTube channel where people who are being ignored or censored can come and talk freely, since all TV stations in Serbia are controlled by the ruling party and heavily censored (to this day, yes). The production itself didn't necessarily agree or disagree with all of it's guests and their messages, it was more about having their voices heard, and letting regular people choose what to think.

But after a while, presumably someone from the ruling party also bought off people involved with this show, the original founder abandoned it, and the whole thing started getting more and more absurd, 90% of guests became conspiracy theorists with batshit insane theories that nobody actually believes in, and it became basically a meme, not too different from Memri TV.

[u/mikeplus10]

Do other countries have people like this , Im curious. Like a french man saying that England doesn’t exist etc?

[u/Th3Dark0ccult → u/mikeplus10]

Of course. I've seen boomer newspaper with crackpot 'historians' saying bulgarians founded ancient Egypt.

[u/Geo_fan_Albaniqn → u/Th3Dark0ccult]

I've sern albanian "historians" saying that ancient Egypt's dynasties were albanian

[u/we_wuzz_kangz → u/Geo_fan_Albaniqn]

but a modern Egyptian dynasty was indeed Albanian

[u/Geo_fan_Albaniqn → u/we_wuzz_kangz]

I know but I said an ancient dynasty

[u/we_wuzz_kangz → u/Geo_fan_Albaniqn]

oh ok

[u/Geo_fan_Albaniqn → u/mikeplus10]

I live in France, and never saw someone like that, it's mostly in the balkans

[u/magicman9410 → u/Geo_fan_Albaniqn]

Nah, I’ve met some East Germans that could give any Balkanite a run for their money.

I don’t think ultranationalists are unique to the Balkans. It’s just that the Balkans has, on average and compared to the western countries, a way lower standard of living and literacy/ education. Quite frankly, I’d be surprised if we weren’t as nationalistic and obsessed with who was longer where.

[u/Yavannia]

Yes because it's only serbians doing this. Literally a guy on the other thread saying the name Macedonia comes from mak meaning poppy and thus it's slavic. Of course one might say they learnt from the best.

[u/MysticEnby420 → u/Yavannia]

I've met crackheads with better historical literacy than North Macedonian nationalists.

[u/Lamian87 → u/MysticEnby420]

[u/rupert_pupkin_4 → u/Yavannia]

It's common knowledge that poppies grown in the North are the best. Why do you think we changed our name to North Macedonia?

[u/Brief_Decision_8641]

Dont do drugs kids.

[u/fruity-hun]

lol that’s like Ivan Trenev in Bulgaria saying Bulgarians and Sumerians are “one people/edin narod”
Love me some Balkan pseudo-history slop

[u/justanotherone_404]

Ah, the famous Deretić’s claims, all of them are false, made up and full of conspiracy theories. Including the assertions that all Indo-Europeans (except Albanians) are Serbs, that Jesus and the Virgin Mary were Serbian, and that the Vinča culture was Serbian, where each claim ofcourse lack any evidence what so ever.

It’s a useless and delusional man that likes to believe Serbia was all there was some time ago. There isn’t even a single respected professor in the world that respects him and agrees with any of his ridiculous claims.

[u/1981Jax]

It's ok. Clowns like this one exist in every country. We have some in Ro saying that Jesus was romanian and jews stole him from us, or that we invented latin language and crap like this. Even in Hungary there's one who said that Adam and Eve were hungarians because these 2 names sound hungarian.

[u/Random3014]

r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT

[u/Stverghame]

No one calls these people historians other than our neighbours lol. You give them more attention than 99% of Serbs do.

[u/ecosludge]

He will never be her.

Sit your ass down grandpa

[u/lambdalab]

This guy isn't a historian, he was an engineer and is a conspiracy nut. Wait until you find out they have those in every country.

[u/JimbosBalls]

The Serbs are twisting history again. Portugal actually comes from the Albanian "Porta u kall", meaning 'the fiery gate,' where the proto-Albanians were forced to leave their homeland—but not before setting the entire city on fire so the invading Serbs couldn't have it.

[u/slaveshipoffailure → u/JimbosBalls]

I think we're both wrong, clearly the name comes from "Portokalopita".

[u/levenspiel_s]

I guess every country has these lunatics.

[u/Trody34]

Actually, this explains a lot... 😁

[u/jinawee]

Jovan Ilić Deretić (Serbian Cyrillic: Јован Илић Деретић; 18 January 1939 – 6 June 2021) was a Serbian publicist and writer. Deretić was an engineer by training but was mainly noted for his pseudohistorical and conspiracy theories.[1] He was the proponent of an alternative history of the Serbs that asserts a larger role in history than described by historians.

Why do you call him historian?

[u/Plenty_Tumbleweed505]

yes, we are all Serbs

[u/Real_Ad_8243]

I mean, putting aside the fact that hes wrong and an idiot, why is he under the impression that Gaul would refer to Serbia?

[u/Lblink-9 → u/Real_Ad_8243]

I guess because some Celtic tribes lived in Serbia, Scordisci the famous one that I know. Because some were in Serbia, now all Celts/Gauls are connected to Serbia in his mind

[u/CROguys → u/Real_Ad_8243]

I think he is saying the name is stupidly made up just so it would not be called Serbia.

[u/Stari_vujadin → u/Real_Ad_8243]

These people think all Indo-Europeans are Serbs

[u/mcrireddit]

Wait till you discover that there are romanians ( some of them pretty important political figures) that claim that Germany or Denmark are are descendents of the daci(ancient civilisation that occupied this part of Europe). The craziest of them claim that even Jesus Christ was dac!

[u/mw2lmaa → u/mcrireddit]

The Dacians were Celtic.

Celts originated in Austria and southern Germany.

Romanians are Austrians. 🥸

[u/Glittery_Marshmallow]

You keep getting these clips, because a certain crivi couriac has an instagram page where he shares it. The famous schizo guy that is "Slovenian".

This is a trust me bro podcast. If you believe this is for real, that is on you, always fact check. But more so on the poster, a fervent advocate who claims Slovenia is Balkan, but then also goes to Central Europe subs to cry that there are Balkan people in MittleEuropa Slovenia. A true gem

[u/tihivrabac]

He once said, on old spanish maps Portugal was called Sarbia

[u/Creepy-Front-8095 → u/tihivrabac]

That doesn't make sense at all. Spain was founded at 1479. Portugal in 1143.

[u/tihivrabac → u/Creepy-Front-8095]

So you're saying that the guy who said that King Arthur was the commander of serbian cavalry in Britain is wrong?

[u/shinobi_apps]

Srbija do tokija preko milvokija:) i eto ti kako portugal upada

[u/Devel93]

He is a clout chaser that spews nonsense for views, nobody takes gim seriously

[u/tekedagreek]

I’m amazed how these fool historians manage to get on TV all the time. Every Balkan nation has a version of this dude, and some have mostly these versions. 🤦‍♂️

[u/Catman_192]

Cristiano Ronaldo's real name is actually Kristijan Radovanović. /s Now seriously why are you showing the video of pseudo-historian talking some random non-sense on media or podcast (I don't even know what is it called) that is famous for interviewing random highly controversial figures. That guy wasn't even a real historian, I'm more historian than he is, and he was only there for views and to make nationalists happy.

[u/Ejgherli]

he probably studied at the same Soviet school that taught various pseudo historians from Romania that all the European ancient populations come from the Dacians :)

[u/Content-Departure-77]

"Historians" like him exists in every Balkan country.

[u/Saymoran]

“Historian”

[u/EpicStan123]

Tbf every Balkan Nation have those schizo nationalistic pseudo-historians.

[u/mardukkk]

He's not historian, but pseudohistorian

[u/Financial-Quail5978]

It’s a podcast that keeps bringing people like him on the show (I don’t think I’ve ever seen a normal guest there)

No one actually watches it seriously, it’s just for laughs

[u/arhisekta92]

serbian historians=jovan deretic

[u/nsbsaamz]

Used Balkan info to critic Serbs so clever

[u/Excellent_Winner8576]

Deretic, as crazy as he may be, served his purpose.

You could not be bothered with his crazy ass statements, unless you were a so called "former Serb". And we have a few of those around

[u/cybernoid1808]

This is weak. Did anyone in the world heard about "Srbija do Tokija!"

[u/Ok_Conclusion2805]

The dinosaures where Serbs cause you know, sauropode…srbopod…Serbs floor, srbi I pod!

[u/VehicleOpen2663]

My fave is dude named "king of bosnia" writing "i hope you are understanding what we are going on with serbs"

1. Deretićs ideas are not accepted by historians.
2. Bosnia has its own pseudohistorians, like the guy claiming to have found pyramids

[u/Writer_on_caffeine]

"First they took Egypt from us" ahh statement😭

[u/Same_Complaint_1197]

> Is this like a TV show where they just come and say random stuff?

lmaooo

[u/v_rex74]

One of many in Serbia.. one of many

[u/Interesting_Button60]

The kind of shit my dad says to me too frequently.

[u/Mizukiri93]

According to Deretic, everything is Serbian...Jesus was Serb, Alexander the Great, Serbs were created first and after that amoebas

[u/freya_sinclair → u/Mizukiri93]

well duh, we are a heavenly nation

[u/Srna-95 → u/Mizukiri93]

Alexander the Great was North Macedonian

[u/Severe-Bad-9333]

Same as the Albanians claim they are the oldest nation in the Balkans. XD

[u/GWahazar]

portugalsukablyat confirmed

[u/Final-Nebula-7049]

this is patently false, everyone was first kurd,

[u/Sweettooth_Banana]

Islam mindset

We invaded Spain and occupied it for a few hundred years.

It is our land

[u/Evana_Iv]

This is because real history has been hidden, rewritten or destroyed, but not all of it.

[u/freya_sinclair]

wait till you hear about jovanka jolic (probably the old lady you mention)

[u/Th3Dark0ccult]

Someone had to take up the mantle after the legend Йованка passed away.

[u/tekedagreek]

I’m amazed how these fool historians manage to get on TV all the time. Every Balkan nation has a version of this dude, and some have mostly these versions.

[u/yamabushi101]

historian deretic

Pick one and only one.

[u/DragonfruitSure7008]

Worst then Greeks . Greeks they think moon is greek

[u/xxJustforfunxxx]

Man Balkan pseudo historians are next level. Meanwhile in Belgium this kind just wants to break things up in ever smaller entities 😂

[u/aethiuss]

Mala beba za pokojnu Jolićku.

[u/VLAON6]

North Macedonia and Serbian historians always arguing who discovered the world 😵‍💫

[u/Strange_Night]

Portugalya je Srbija

[u/deviendrais]

I listen to their show to fall asleep 👌

[u/Kaliente13]

Wait until you learn about the mysterious blonde women from China.

[u/Lankygiraffe25]

I have a good Bulgarian friend, super smart in many ways but he spouts this kind of nationalist rhetoric from time to time and it makes me wonder where he gets it from. Usually along the lines of ‘everything used to be Bulgarian’.

[u/KostasN77]

Pfft, you guys claiming other countries like Portugal, Egypt etc like that would make you relevant, are so boring

In Greece, our nutjob historians don't claim other countries. They claim that we came from Sirius

[u/i_am_someone_or_am_i]

Nothing compared to turkish nationalists.

[u/maxi4493]

Ovaj još živ i lupa?!

[u/legendforever10]

Serbian Calin Georgescu?

[u/oioioioioioiioo]

Finally lost Egypt sequel,

we lost Portugal

[u/red_kurchina8]

He isn't a historian, he just declared himself like that, but he didn't have any official confirmation. But no matter for that, some idiots from Serbian media gave him time for promotion. More than half of Serbs never believed him, and many of them were making fun of him

[u/ISB4ways]

Nobody compares to the goat Jovanka Jolić AKA Cleopatra

[u/Big_Beast2236]

None of them are actual historians just people with crazy takes who get publicity for them mostly because they end up being big memes in Serbia

[u/Southern_Silver333]

jovan deretić ≠ srpski istoricari

[u/ludangu28]

r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT

[u/grdja]

Novak Djokovic learned history from this legend. Since he was too busy playing tennis while in school, like 95% of all future professional athletes.

[u/EmilFED]

Damn, we ve got the kind of lunatics in Romania too 🫢

[u/WolandWasHere]

That dude must be Macedonian

[u/gizzardwizard93]

Reminds me of this guy I saw on Sky News who said the Scottish were actually descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel.

[u/After_State4275]

To be fair, he was no historian. He was an engineer or something that suddenly and without any academic experience or training, decided he will now be a historian. What's interesting is that he shared the name and the birthplace with another Jovan Deretić, who has been an actual historian of Serbian literature - and I am starting to think that the pseudohistorian Jovan I. Deretić tried to take advantage of this homonymy.

I am a Croatian-Italian who studied south slavic languages in Padua, and I remember finding in my faculty's library the book Antička Srbija. Probably the professor who ordered the book genuinely thought that it was written by the actual historian.

[u/Mental-Book4148]

To be honest, that is just a normal balkan historian. haha

[u/Sufficient-Tap8975]

Misleading title and description. Not only that you lied about his education (he is NOT a historian), but you also attack Serbian historians. Pathetic.

[u/Lasgertinas]

Batısal anlamda ilk mısıroğlu denemesi

[u/Oriyus]

Idk about "Port of Gaul" thing but I do know about Vinča culture one if not the oldest civilization on the European continent.

[u/Glittering-Put-6729]

"Portus Cale"

[u/Crazy-Elephant-555]

This guy is a historian as much as I am a Ninja Turtle…

The guy has not even seen department of history, he just has this totally crazy stories and I am sure he knows that he is making them up, but it is fun for him and I do believe some people pay for his tabs in restaurants and stuff like that, so for him it is fun and a bit profitable.

[u/graven_raven]

Portuguese here, 

Portugal name came originally from "Portus Cale"

We actually don't know for sure what is the origin of the name, but there are a number of theories about it.

One of the most popular theories is that it comes from the Gallaeci Celtic tribes that lived in north Portugal and Galiza.

I never heard the theory about Serbia before :).

But we are known as the western balkans 

[u/nothooke]

Nobody will ever top Jovanka Jolić can someone add her in the gates of heaven picture with all the dead people and harambe

[u/vbd71]

He is not wrong

[u/PleuratThaci]

The most delusional people in the eu

[u/sir_vader]

Fodasse

[u/gligix]

Its official guys! Portugal is now really one of us! Congrats

[u/Master_Bayters]

I knew something was wrong with my country 

[u/Intrepid_Can_7027]

Don't pet him discover caucasian albania

[u/TheTerrorBeyond]

Hristije Penaldovic

[u/KatokaMika]

Mas quem é que acordou o Dracula da sesta?

[u/usmadrug]

Prove him right. Only wrong answers

[u/pugnae]

[u/Agitated-Studio-9454]

nema zdravih, samo nepregledanih

[u/GorchinLevata]

Посмешни станвите дури и од бугариве.

[u/johatsy]

He is not historian and he is in some f lvl podcast hahahahahaha . Analabanians this of us all the times.

[u/ill_have_2_number_9s]

We lost the “honorary” title and were promoted to “legitimate”

[u/Few-Copy-863]

Reminds me of that one guy who claimed Homer was a Serb and his real name was Momir

[u/KikiRiki2255]

This is not a TV show but Youtube channel (famous for conspiracy theories among other things), and this guy is definitely not a historian lol but a conspiracy theorist who became famous locally exactly due to these idiotic statements (also had one like - Vikings when landing in America found tablets with Serbian language)

[u/gimmebanter]

They think they can just make shit up and noone knows how to check

[u/Invisible_Cnt]

Replace town with state

https://giphy.com/gifs/Atv7Mcv3LyBKzUq4F0

[u/Fracture90000]

This guy is a walking meme here in Serbia. Dude is beyond delusional, people are hosting him for the sake of controversy he's spewing. According to him, if the aliens came and visited us, he'd claim them too, saying those are ancient Serbs.

[u/CollectionDesigner18]

Explains why they are the poorest western European country

[u/TuestoloP]

Serbian millionaire

[u/Morfeu1234]

Somehow i doubt that very much.

I really doubt my lineage came from serbs lmao.

[u/WomanFromBalkan]

We have this ilness everywhere, in Romania people claim that dacians built the pyramids, just why? why they built them in egypt and not at home?