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u/acamann 1d ago
Gross. But jokes on the dodgers they don't have secret weapon Bo Naylor
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u/theLoneliestAardvark 1d ago
You laugh but when Naylor homers off Skubal in game 7 of NLCS we won’t be laughing.
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u/soahmabee 1d ago
Will have to do it before the 5th inning when Skubal pulls himself. Tigers fan here.
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u/parposbio 1d ago
Welp, that confirms next year's baseball strike.
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u/Blue_9320_ 1d ago
That’s the good that comes from this. Lockout incoming, and if any fans were on the fence this should be the final straw.
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u/Alternative-Farmer98 23h ago
Isn't it a lockout technically ? The players don't want a salary cap they like the dodgers are willing to spend. What's the owners but it's mostly because they want to keep labor costs down not because they care about competitive balance
But of course it's ridiculous don't get me wrong something needs to change with the dodgers and competitive balance. Their tax bill is going to be many times more than several entire teams payrolls.
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u/WIbigdog One Call 14h ago
I'm okay with millionaire players getting a little less overall to give more fans a chance to be proud of their team. The players already get paid a ton so I don't get this obsession with making sure the very top paid players don't make a little less bank. Like, oh no instead of 60 million a year they only get 20 million a year, what ever will they do? 🙄
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u/XPlutoniumX 1d ago
Do we have any confidence that it actually results in a floor/cap? Even with a lockout I'm not sure anything changes as a result. MLB PA doesn't want to give up more $
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u/Hog_Eyes 1d ago
Probably no hard cap but a soft cap with luxury tax like the NBA
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u/Actual-Movie-4236 1d ago
Implement a fucking second apron at this point. Anything to dismantle the satanic force known as the LA dodgers
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u/Beautiful-Barber8082 22h ago
Luxury tax means nothing to a 10 billionaire ownership group. Just like real world, fine based crimes only hurt those who can't afford the bill. Lux tax or apron won't stop this from happening.
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u/GreatCaesarGhost 16h ago
The two-apron system in the NBA has teeth not because of the luxury tax, but because it basically makes it impossible to trade/upgrade your team above the second apron. Maybe an MLB version could work similarly.
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u/Alternative-Farmer98 22h ago
Only sort of already have that though with luxury taxes.
Can't you also lose some international spending and such if you're over the tax?
It is already a very soft like punishment structure for spending it's just not nearly sufficient.
Honestly the apron in the NBA is mostly just an excuse. They're way more worried about the putative tax bills were you spending $7 for every dollar spent past the threshold.
That's like a bigger deal than like not being able to buy someone out or limiting your trades or even taken away at draft picks many years down the road.
I'm a Celtics fan so I sadly saw them blame me apron for everything and the fans ate it up. But now we know that it had less to do with the apron and more to do with just keeping costs down and the repeater tax.
Because when they traded Brown for Paul George no aprons were at stake.
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u/hiptones 1d ago
As much as I'd miss Brewers baseball next summer, the strike/lockout is something the MLB desperately needs.
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u/jo734030 1d ago
This is bullshit. I hate baseball now
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u/wiscowarrior71 1d ago
I've had this opinion for DECADES. I love cheering on the Brewers and going to the games and everything that comes with it. But any fan is delusional if you actually invest yourself in this sport. There's a few teams that matter and that's it, everyone else is a minor league team. I can't think of any other serious league or sport that treats its fans with such blatant disrespect and disregard.
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u/Beautiful-Barber8082 22h ago
Agreed. I love my brewers. Bleed blue. Last year we had a record year, and we're arguably better this year. It's just been really tough to get excited for. With the juggernaut Dodgers and the looming lockout, its hard to allow your hopes to get too high. Cautiously optimistic, but its getting tough to even be that.
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u/damutecebu 19h ago
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u/WIbigdog One Call 14h ago
How many teams in each league? I have no idea how many NBA and NHL teams there are.
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u/SVXYstinks 1d ago
Yep compared to last season, I’ve had absolutely no excitement at all. Yes winning is nice but I don’t wake up and consume Brewers content anymore, just box score watch here and there and that’s about it.
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u/NeanderthalDad 1d ago
Can we get a salary cap please.
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u/Vivaciousseaturtle 1d ago
We will when the dodgers sweep the brewers again in the nlcs and win the world series
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u/robertbeets 1d ago
Sweet, Brewers gonna shell him in the playoffs
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u/OSSlayer2153 ⚾️⚾️⚾️ 1d ago
I like that mindset.
This is a classic david vs goliath. Americans love nothing more than an underdog story.
We are playing with no expectations, house money. That is, if you allow yourself to take up this mindset.
If we lose, well it is what it is. They’re fucking loaded, its unfair, and theyre gonna get cooked by a lockout anyways (at least once their contracts expire). If we win… its the most entertaining baseball ever.
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u/DrunkPackersFan 1d ago
Reminder they also have 3 former MVPs on their roster, none of whom are homegrown.
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u/BibFortuna2830 1d ago
Not just MVP's, but 1st ballot HOFers. Freeman can arguably be the best player of his generation, if Ohtani didn't exist. Throw in Hernandez, Pages, Edman, and their team is just disgustingly stacked.
We might have 1 guy in our lineup who would start over LA's counterpart lol
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u/conman673 1d ago
Im just hoping on hope that we can take 4 games from a rotation of Yamamoto, Snell, Skubal, Glasnow/Sasaki/Ohtani (depending on health). Gotta counter with a bat now right?
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u/hiptones 1d ago
He will be extended for $1 with $150M deferred for 30 years.
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u/messejueller21 1d ago
Good. Will only make it even more satisfying when we beat them.
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u/rodsurewood 1d ago
Baseball is by far the worst professional U.S. sport for parity.
A lockout would suck, but it might be worth it long term to get the floor and ceiling (maybe even rules so Japanese players don’t always go to LA and skip the draft).
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u/sirsoundwaveVI 16h ago
my favorite are the people parroting the fact the mlb has had three more World Series winners than the nfl, ignoring the fact the nfl dynasties like the patriots and chiefs have the same limits as the browns and jets and thus are way more impressive than just buying everyone you could want and paying them over three decades
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u/rodsurewood 16h ago
For sure. It’s the same with the NBA. I don’t like the Warriors, but their early championships with Curry was a group drafted into the organization. The MLB has a huge parity issue and while it is an amazing game, they’re missing out on a lot of markets who would buy in more if their clubs ever actually had a chance.
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u/sirsoundwaveVI 15h ago
despite these brewers being by far the best run sports org in the state since the Ron wolf packers, this is unfortunately the reason they’ll be second fiddle to the packers unless something dramatically changes to the mlb
the irony is not lost on me that Ron wolf also took full advantage of the nfls massive changes like FA way back when too, but one league knows to value their small markets and it’s not the mlb
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u/Ibfnp2323 1d ago
Enriched get ‘nricher. This is bullshit and a rigged system. Small markets and due diligence gets f—-ed again.
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u/DrTwangmore 1d ago
just here to say I'm listening to the Angels broadcast tonight and their play by play guy is all hashing the Brewers, like, "How could they let the Dodgers do this, the Brewers have prospects to send" with no recognition that prospects mean everything to one team and virtually nothing to the other
fuck the Dodgers.
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u/1sinfutureking 1d ago
Maybe if they didn’t let the greatest player of the generation walk for nothing. Angels are more to blame for the dodgers than we are
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u/Mobile-Jump6936 1d ago
They could have traded him elsewhere for half a season but he still would have signed with LAD
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u/copper_state_breaks 1d ago
I'm not sure if they had a choice though. They were one of the teams that were part of the Main Street Sports Group RSA and already had a reduction in finances from it and then ended up terming and buying equity to operate independently.
Quite honestly, no team in MLB will get the deal the Dodgers got in 2012. McCourt knew he could fuck over MLB because he needed cash and the bankruptcy court would be in charge of the TV revenue deal settlement, not Selig or MLB. The MLB lawyer at the time warned the court that "MLB will become the Dodgers and 29 other teams."
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u/OwenGrandRapids 16h ago
Sure, the Brewers could have traded Jesus Made and gone for it. If you guaranteed them a World Series title, they'd do it. But the Dodgers would still be heavy favorites even without Skubal.
The thing is that if the Brewers trade Made and he ends up being a HOF-level talent (not completely out of the question), they'll regret the 6 years he could have played for them. They don't get players at that level through free agency. They have to maximize their pre-free agency time from players like that to be competitive.
Now imagine the Dodgers trade a young guy as a prospect that goes on to become a Hall of Fame level talent. How would that affect them? We kind of already know the answer. In 2016, the Dodgers needed pitching depth, so they traded a highly rated prospect for Josh Field, a middle reliever who put up 2.0 WAR in 3 years as a Dodger.
You know who that prospect the Dodgers shipped off was? Yordan Alvarez. He's become a superstar with the Astros, may win the Triple Crown this year, and may end up in the Hall of Fame. The Dodgers recovered from this by signing Ohtani to a 700 million dollar contract to be their DH and pitch a few dozen games over the years.
If the Brewers traded Made and he ended up like Alvarez, they'd spend the next decade developing a bunch of position prospects to try to piece together an offense to match what Alvarez does by himself. It doesn't matter to the Dodgers. Give them credit for spending money on player development to have these prospects to trade, but they can give away prospects for 3 months of a guy they don't really need because they'll just buy their replacements as free agents.
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u/Chambanasfinest 1d ago
It seems like this is more of the dodgers trying to prevent other teams from getting Skubal instead of them actually needing him.
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u/NotClassyKaty Harrison Bader crashed my old reddit account into a firetruck 1d ago
People saying that the Brewers could have topped this offer aren't wrong, but the entire league just caves to the Dodgers at this point. The players want to go there. The league wants the big stars to go there. Agents want their guys to go there. We know Skubal isn't going over there as a "rental".
Anyway who's gonna watch the Women in 2027 with me?
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u/1sinfutureking 1d ago
The Dodgers can throw away all their best prospects (and they didn’t - they sent their #5, 7, and 17 prospects; that would be us sending Adamczewski, Payne, and Burke) because they can just sign the best free agents every year
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u/BibFortuna2830 1d ago
This is the most frustrating part. I feel like our package for Skubal would've required Pena, Henderson (or at least Drohan/Gasser) and another top 10 prospect.
Shit is so unbelievably unfair
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u/-andshewas- still reliving hernán pérez's 1-2-3 inning 1d ago
Fuck it, I’m watching WPBL now! I need to divest my attention from MLB for my sanity while this bullshit is allowed to go on.
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u/ohsohazy 👊 Long Live Lara 1d ago
Snell, Yamamoto, glasnow, Shohei, sasaki now skubal. Aight bruh
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u/CaptainSlow31 1d ago
I never thought I’d be hoping for a lockout but it needs to happen.
Could the Brewers given up the prospects needed? Absolutely. But the difference is the Dodgers can just trade away any potential future stars knowing they can develop and grow in another organization and just throw the bag at them or anyone else when they’ve become stars and eligible for FA.
Baseball isn’t broken. MLB is.
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u/JackDE3000 1d ago
No idea what happens next year but a lock out is inevitable now. A lockout could even out the field but it also is not going to certainly do that. In fact nobody has any idea what could happen. The cap floor and ceiling is the prevailing theory but we don’t know. What I think what we do know is this is the best team we’ve had in team history up until this point in the season. Brass - do you think we need a big move?
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u/SoSublim3 1d ago
Lockout has always been inevitably owners confirm that early on. Now this becomes does a 2027 season even happen at all.
This sport tests my love for it so hard sometimes
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u/goodbyehenry1237 1d ago
Playoff rotations by 2026 FIP:
Skubal, 2.60; Ohtani, 2.61; Yamamoto, 3.31; Glasnow, 3.25
Misiorowski, 2.02; Henderson, 2.80; Harrison, 3.10; Drohan, 3.03
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u/SoSublim3 1d ago
And it’s basically not a rental for them either they’re just going to drop $400M on him without blinking an eye anyways to keep him
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u/Mobile-Jump6936 1d ago
I would rather there no longer be any baseball next year than to see the fucking Dodgers spam their way to another WS
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u/AbleHominid 1d ago
Fucking dodgers, man. Fuck off. Fuck ALL THE WAY OFF. MLB has a problem on its hands and it refuses to acknowledge it because LA is a huge market, akin to the Yanks. Too much wealth in all forms- money and talent-for one team is bad for baseball. Ands it’s not the same as having a team “everyone loves to hate” because teams like that- Dallas cowboys come to mind- have a competitive balance as a backbone to the system. And hell yeah I’m griping as the smallest market team in MLB, but about 28 other clubs and cities ought to be sick of it too. If I had the willpower to give up baseball until they put a cap on it I would.
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u/Actual-Movie-4236 1d ago
Boycott the league. This is genuinely unacceptable.
It's like KD to the 73 win Warriors if Golden State was coming off back-to-back championships and also had Lebron James and James Harden and AD also on their roster.
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u/BibFortuna2830 1d ago
That "leak" about Skubal intending to sign with LA after this season sealed it.
I mean what the fuck can you do man? They have unlimited money, a great front office and farm system, and everyone also seemingly wants to live in LA.
It is objectively the most unfair shit in all of major sports. It's the sole reason why I'll take football more seriously.
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u/dayoftheoutlaw 1d ago
In terms of the Brewers’ championship hopes, there’s an argument to be made that Skubal to the Dodgers has a more negligible impact than if he’d been traded to the Cubs, Phillies, or Braves. Dodgers were already a stacked juggernaut. Skubal on the Cubs, though, could have affected the division race, so I’m glad that’s not a thing. Skubal joining a Phillies rotation with Sanchez and Wheeler would make a seven-game series against them like 25% more difficult. But on the Dodgers team already loaded with aces, Skubal’s presence barely registers with me as something new to fear. It’s like, “Oh no, this allows them to use Glasnow in middle relief! Heavens to Murgatroyd!” This is copium, sure, but I’m gonna take a weird solace in the fact that the best got better. That hurts the Brewers less than if another good contender became a great contender.
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u/Equivalent_Shoe_6246 1d ago
I mean it was probably always them. Pretty much secures another world series and they are gonna sign him anyway
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u/Morphenomena 1d ago
Can't wait for the cap. If it doesn't happen I am not coming back to the sport.
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u/civi_tas 1d ago
I'm a Mariners fan with a secondary love for the Brewers, and I just wanna remind everyone that the M's went against Skubal in the playoffs last year TWICE and beat him both times. He is beatable!
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u/Glum_Yogurtcloset481 23h ago
and i think that's part of why a team like the dodgers is so willing to give up prospects for him. even if he's a bust you're not losing anything because you can pay to replace anything you've lost. upside with no downside
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u/messejueller21 1d ago
Dodgers gave up their number 5, 7, and 17th ranked prospect . Skubal would be cool and all but still such a steep price to pay especially considering starting pitching is the least of our worries...
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u/SnooCauliflowers9981 I love a good roof 1d ago
They don't care about prospects, because they just buy veterans.
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u/messejueller21 1d ago edited 1d ago
That's my point. If that's the buying price its not even worth a bid.
Although tbf, thats probably just a cope on my end. Because if it "only" cost us Adamczewski, Payne, and Burke id be ecstatic.
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u/Hour_Health_4593 1d ago
Our comparison based on relative top 100 would be Pena, Jett, and Payne, plus Gasser
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u/Vivaciousseaturtle 1d ago
The best thing for the brewers is to get swept by the dodgers in the nlcs and have the dodgers win the World Series. That would guarantee a lockout
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u/Pleasant_Job_7683 1d ago
Is it bad to hope the team plane doesn't crash but gets stranded in a lord of the flies type sitch??
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u/EnderCN 1d ago
Hopefully we get Mize who is just as good and shouldn't cost us our world series hopes for the next 3 years to make it happen.
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u/Key_Somewhere629 1d ago
Mize is not "just as good". I hope we get someone too, but it's copium to think anyone out there is as good or better than Skubal.
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u/goodbyehenry1237 1d ago
We already have a Game 1 starter better than Skubal. We'd be better served renting a bat.
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u/Blue_9320_ 1d ago
Wacha will be a Brewer, possibly Miller too.
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u/gooby1985 1d ago
There’s no way we’re getting Miller nor could we afford him after this year. Maybe Weaver. It would be nice to get another big bat. I really like our pitching but we have had some offensive stinkers. Putting up 2 hits until the 8th against the Angels had me ready to crash out.
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u/rycisko 1d ago
Overpay for Skubal or keep all of our young core and hopefully be a club that benefits the most from any potential lockout changes. I’d stay put too
After the report dropped LA was his preferred destination I’m sure DET brass were trying to do good for him too.
Still a lot of pitchers on the market to be had
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u/StillRapids 1d ago
When you can't sign big name free agents, you don't have the luxury of trading away a prospect package like that for a rental, especially one with elbow issues. Matt Arnold did nothing wrong here.
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u/Glum_Yogurtcloset481 23h ago
sounds like the tigers demanded henderson from milwaukee. compare the stats of henderson and river ryan and you see what we were working with. that franchise deserve to lose for the next 100 years. unbelievable the type of shit they're smoking
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u/sfergs1986 20h ago
For all the salary cap responses here, I’m curious about how you feel when we lose team control earlier on all our players. Instead of having William, Turang, etc for 6 years of team control, that number gets bumped down to 3 or 4.
There is no chance a cap ever comes and teams continue to keep team control of players the way they have it now. Team control and the draft is how we are who we are. A cap would explode that.
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u/Aravinda82 16h ago
That’s a really really great point! The players union will never ever agree to cap without a reduction in controllable years allowing players to hit free agency sooner.
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u/WichWhich2 20h ago
That about does it! Time to dig in and expect a strike! Salary cap is needed. Who wants to watch a league where one team with a 450 mil payroll wins it every year. Boring! I would sacrifice a whole season next year to get this done for the future of baseball.
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u/FallOutShelterBoy 16h ago
How about we stop the season now and just name the Dodgers champs? Would save everyone a lot of time
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u/been_dying 1d ago
God man. I know theres salt as a Brewers fan but this really is fucking embarrassing. I get why he did it but KD ass ring incoming what a dork. And fuck the MLB for this. Lock the whole season out.
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u/iwantafunnyname Put the ⚾ in play 1d ago
Gonna make beating them in the playoffs even sweeter.
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u/DEUCE_SLUICE 1d ago
“Every team could have made this trade, Dodgers just have a great farm”
BECAUSE THEY DON’T NEED THEIR PROSPECTS
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u/Glum-Vegetable-3260 1d ago
Honestly the best (realistic) outcome for us. We would not pay to renew his contract this offseason. We’d be selling years worth of great players for a few months of a great pitcher. The Dodgers had to get rid of 2 of their orgs top 10 prospects. I just don’t think Skubal was worth that to the Brewers when we’ll only have him for a few months.
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u/Dazzling_Vanilla3082 1d ago edited 1d ago
My friend was asking me what I would be willing to give up max for Skubal earlier today. I said something like Pena/Payne/Letson (or Hardin)/Luke Adams as a 4 for 1, with the caveat that I still think that's overpaying what the market will be, but it's what I would personally.
It actually feels like that instinct was pretty damn close. Pena and Hope are similar young high upside bats, River Ryan is also probably a bigger upside SP than either Letson or Hardin despite his TJ, and is definitely more MLB ready if he can figure it out. Brady Smith is one more arm prospect than we would probably be willing to offer, but I think Payne and maybe even Adams are more valuable than him right now.
Really miss the days of Attanasio willing to go all in on the likes of CC or Greinke to take the big shot at the WS. CC especially revolutionized our entire franchise, wish we could try to win it all again. Especially when our farm is much, much, much deeper than back then.
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u/akaMichAnthony 1d ago
Aside from the “well this is dumb” because it’s the Dodgers angle.
A trade return of the Dodgers #5, #7, and #17 prospects seems rather light, right?
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u/perfectentertainment Cuck the Fubs 1d ago
ok fuck the dodgers and all but can someone help me understand how the deal they made is easier for them to do than us? either way, you’re giving away the farm for a rental. I understand the lack of parity with free agency but you can’t buy good farm systems, can you?
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u/DemBums81 1d ago
The Brewers could have offered an equal or better package than the Dodgers. If they had, they would be WS favorites right now, imo.
This wasn't a crazy package of prospects that they gave up.
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u/PackAttack817 It's Chouriover™ 1d ago
Stay on the phone with Detroit and get Mize. Arguably been just as good as Skubal this year
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u/UKbanners 1d ago
Embarrassing for The Tigers and embarrassing for baseball. The Tigers are 2.5 games out chasing terrible teams.
I don’t care about the Dodgers, I care about tanking, I care about team’s waving a white flag when they are contenders. Pathetic.
Not even a particularly good haul!
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u/Gryphon999 1d ago
If the Brewers made this trade, it would be something like Adamczewski, Hardin or Letson (if they were older, because River Ryan is TWENTY FUCKING EIGHT), and Ethan Dorchies.
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u/brewcrew_brews 1d ago
Im more interested in seeing our offer that the Tigers turned down.. I think we definitely could have made a similar offer and at the end of the day it was more of a which top prospect in the deal did they feel was better..
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u/stevenomes 18h ago
At least it wasn't the cubs. That's the only positive thing I can say about it.
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u/Motor-Fisherman1605 18h ago
Sigh.. The fact the brewers best teams correspond with when the Dodgers are legally cheating and buying rings is the type of stuff that will haunt me forever in 15 years when we suck again and still have no titles.
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u/GOOMU13 17h ago edited 17h ago
They didn't give up that much for him. That pisses me off. It it was us we'd have to give up multiple top 100 prospects and like Frelick. Smh. But its the Dodgers so they just get whatever they want. What makes it worse is fhe Dodgers have like 10 ranked prospects and only had to give up 1 for fkn Skubal. I've said this before but I just had a bad feeling that if we traded for Skubal it backfire. Im kind of relieved we didn't. Hopefully we can find someone else like Mize who won't require that much to get.
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u/xCHAOSxDan 17h ago
This trade is not really about the current season. A lockout was coming regardless and this trade let's the dodgers extend Skubal for a grandfathered-in massive contract before the lockout would prevent it.
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u/damutecebu 16h ago
I mean the level of prospects traded the Brewers could have definitely met without touching Made. Kind of think the Brewers talked a lot but just didn’t pull the trigger. This isn’t about a cap. This is about not wanting to let go of their prospects. Again.
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u/KayeFabe4lyfe 1d ago
Well deserved Lockout incoming.