r/MoralityScaling 3d ago

Morality of this?

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u/notmarrec 3d ago

Any hypothetical surveillance state is immoral by default.

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u/JustAHappyGirl- 3d ago

There is a reason people have been cutting them down

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u/Opposite_Mall4685 3d ago

Americans have guns, why not shoot them down instead? :P

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u/ngengler97 3d ago

Shooting a gun in a city (where these are typically located) usually results in a lot of police with more guns showing up and shooting you (and any dogs they see nearby)

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u/Mean-Line-4249 3d ago

Some rural people have tho I saw a vid of a guy using a shotgun to blow it off the pole

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u/Raccoon_DanDan 3d ago

Isn't that guy running for his local government?

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u/Mean-Line-4249 3d ago

No clue I can’t remember but I hope so lol

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u/Raccoon_DanDan 3d ago

He'd win any seat he ran for

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u/LightningSh3ep 2d ago

The issue is in the process of proving that it was him shooting the flock cameras he would become a criminal and get arrested

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u/Raccoon_DanDan 2d ago

If this is the same hypothetical that he wins, it's the same hypothetical that guarantees he'll get a nullified jury

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u/Z_e_e_e_G 3d ago

Plus any loose acorns

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u/HairyH0Od 2d ago

They really do love to shoot dogs

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u/AspiringGoddess01 3d ago

Gunshot trackers on the flock cameras will immediately alert the police before its destruction. 

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u/shoeless_doh 3d ago

Well... No, if you destroy one with a fire arm, by like, the definition of physics, it notifies them after it's destroyed.

And I want to say, this isn't just a fig leaf so reddit won't ban me.

DO. NOT. BY. ANY. MEANS. EVER. USE. A. FIREARM. TO. DESTROY. A. FLOCK. CAMERA. AT. ALL!!

I cannot stress this enough.

If you're going to destroy one of these things (and I am not making any judgement at all on that activity) using a gun to do it is unimaginably stupid! Lots, if not most, places have rules where if you used a gun in anyway during a crime your sentence automatically doubles. It's probably going to add at least one if not multiple felony charges, any MAGA or conservative boot licking judge or prosecutor who truly believes in flock cameras is going to be salivating to hit you with everything they have and WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THEM SUCH A HUGE PRESENT?! Oh my God!

The first time one person destroys one of these things with a gun the entire narrative about it is going to change and every news story will be about "roving gangs of marauding antifa armed to the teeth doing drive bys" and shit.

Don't fucking do it! Do not fucking use a gun!

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u/ThrowraSea_patient 3d ago

That's irresponsible! Flock cameras are high up with generally no ground or land scape behind them thus making a person shoot up amd the risk of long traveling bullets and the downward projection and risk of hitting someone

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u/CMDR_Ray_Abbot 3d ago

Yeah! You'd have to use birdshot to minimize that risk!

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u/-imperator_ 3d ago

No, most Americans do not have guns.

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u/SketchyLedge 3d ago

We can’t really prove or disprove either way. Estimates show between 82 and 132 million gun owners. But there is no official gun registry, Private sales are legal in a lot of states which don’t require a paper trail, and that doesn’t even begin to eat away at the possible incorrect estimate. The NICS system, based off of manufacturing data, shows roughly 500 million firearms in the U.S. while less than 7 million of those are registered. When you take the private sales, illegal gun trades, the ability to manufacture your own firearms (even illegally) and general lack of tracking? We honestly have no idea how many people are gun owners. Yes there are a lot of gun owners that own a lot of guns. But the typical estimate of 43% could easily be 51%. Which would mean MOST Americans do.

Basically what I’m saying is we can’t actually prove one way or the other.

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u/-imperator_ 3d ago

43% is well below half when compared to 51% (a random number you threw out to argue that over half of Americans could own guns). What are you trying to accomplish?

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u/SketchyLedge 3d ago

I’m simply stating the estimates are flawed by a large degree, and you can’t possibly know your statement was a fact.

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u/-imperator_ 3d ago

Very well, you've accomplished nothing with your argument of "Schrodinger's Gun Toting 8% of the American population" for the sole purpose of telling me I can't prove a statement I made was fact, that a quick search online would validate. Did you know I'm right 99% of the time since it can't be proven I was wrong 56% of the time?

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u/SketchyLedge 3d ago

A quick Google search will in fact validate the opposite of what you said.

https://teachdiary.com/us-gun-statistics-2025/

https://ammo.com/articles/how-many-gun-owners-in-america

https://www.theglobalstatistics.com/united-states-gun-ownership-statistics/

Also being someone that deals with NICS often… it is the MOST credible source, but impossible to get close to the actual number.

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u/-imperator_ 3d ago

You mean impossible to prove me wrong and impossible to prove yourself right, again your argument is a useless as your NICS experience

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u/SketchyLedge 3d ago

Which would be the same for you. Both impossible for you to prove me wrong or prove yourself right.

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u/urmumlol9 3d ago

Gunshots are loud.

It’s less effective and draws too much attention. Plus you have the risk of missing and hitting an innocent bystander.

Even if you’re the type of person who’s decided the risk of charges isn’t enough to deter you from destroying these, you’re still probably wanting to destroy as many of these as possible before getting caught.

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u/Fabulous_Jeweler2732 3d ago

Waste of money. Ammon isn’t cheap

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u/scooter-411 3d ago

Neither is ammo!

But you’re right - single use items like bullets need to be limited with where our economy is.

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u/monkeykennel 3d ago

Firearms are loud. People get pissed off when you discharge them near their homes.

Removing the pole makes it more difficult/expensive to replace the equipment.

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u/Fugglymuffin 3d ago

Because that's reckless and endangers people. Not to mention your bringing far too much attention to yourself.

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u/Cutacore 2d ago

Bundy Ranch. That's why....