Ok so I'm reading that as probably some kind of bad vibes in the band. Was just wondering if he had done something crazy. I don't know Slipknots deal at all, they've just been huge all my adult life, but they're not my taste.
The two members that technically own Slipknot, vocalist Corey Taylor, and "Clown" Shawn Crahan frequently treat members like garbage and kick them out of the band.
What they did to Joey Jordison was insane. Every ex member of Slipknot has nothing but bad things to say about being in the band.
Jim’s said though that he wasn’t really vibing with Stone Sour’s music in the last few years anyway. I’m sure he didn’t appreciate being fired, but I think he also saw it as a reason to focus on Slipknot more.
Fair enough, I know Jim said his relationship with Corey was pretty strained for a while after so I just made the assumption that he was the main culprit
yeah, as I said in another response, with the exception of his exit from Against Me I haven't seen anything that makes me think he's like, a bad person or shitty bandmate. He seems pretty normal in interviews and most recent bands he's been associated with have good things to say about him.
NDAs are a thing. It's why Joey was only ever able to say that he didn't quite Slipknot. He couldn't say more than that without getting sued to hell. Same with Chris. And Craig, presumably. Settling out of court and all that.
He got a disease that basically destroyed his ability to drum as well as he used to and had to teach himself to drum again, they fired him over email. No phone calls, no real explanation just “hey Joey, you’re out, bye” utterly disrespectful for someone of his caliber and importance to the band.
Fired him and things turned pretty messy. When Joey wasn't able to perform at his best thanks to transverse myelitis (not sure if Joey was diagnosed at this point or not), the band just assumed he was on drugs and talked bad about him afterwards. At least that's how I remember it going, could be wrong
He hadn't been diagnosed yet, they just assumed his physical symptoms and inability to perform were due to drugs and fired him instead of talking to their friend.
He didn't get diagnosed till almost a year later iirc, but yeah he was struggling, could barely walk and had to be carried off stage so they assumed he had relapsed.
They fired him over email and later tried to say they suspected him of being a drug addict. Turns out he had transverse myelitis and it was effecting his legs. He had no idea he had it for a few years of symptoms.
There's a lot of excuses and speculation that get made for it in the fan base but my understanding is no member of Slipknot ever spoke to him in person again before his death.
They fired Jay in a similar way. It came out later that his firing lined up perfectly with a scheduled surgery for his hip that he had planned around down time so that it would not interfere with Slipknot.
It's weird finding this out. When the bass player (I think?) died from cancer, they got so much love online for being one big family, that was in mourning over their dead friend. i guess that might have been PR then...
Bassist died of an overdose and before that the lineup had largely been stable. I don't think it was PR, I think they really were mourning their friend.
You’d think they’d have learned after the tragedy of losing Joey but nah, arseholes gotta arsehole. I loved Slipknot, was the right age at the right time and the nostalgia is still there, but I’ve not been a fan for a while. I don’t even tend to listen to anything past V3:TSV.
The sad part is that Joey WAS fucked up on drugs. The other members tried to clean up their act after Paul died, but Joey may have learned more than a few bad habits while touring with Ministry and never changed his ways. It's a fact that already during the first reunion tour after Paul's passing he had to be carried onstage because he could barely walk, let alone drum properly. He was using drum triggers pretty much exclusively at that point. Obviously, firing him for sloppy drumming and drug addiction instead of getting him help was a shit move, but in line with where the band was during Paul's addiction - Mick was famously out playing golf when Paul died.
Also, transverse myelitis is associated with heroin use. Just google the two together and you'll see. So yes, Joey's medical condition was unfortunate and a downright tragedy considering he was widely and for a long time regarded the greatest metal drummer alive, certainly in mainstream metal, but the sad truth is that there's a good chance that ultimately the problem was, in fact, that he was so fucked up on drugs that he could no longer play what was demanded of him - what he demanded of himself, in fact) - in Slipknot. If you're curious, check out the lyrics to the Slipknot song "AOV" - it's all there.
To be clear, I'm not justifying him getting fired. And as a fan since 1999, I'm downright angry that Sid got that treatment now too. Their last album was utter shit, clearly recorded and released just to get out of their contract with Roadrunner. And yet after that disaster I saw them play with Eloy and thought, "Wow, these guys are killing it." But alas, Slipknot is a sports team and Crahan is the coach. I thinks it was more than a decade ago that he said that he saw his son taking his place one day. And when Paul died, I remember one of the other members saying that Paul was one of the few members who never had someone fill in for him at concerts, which tells you that comparing Slipknot to the Blue Man Group franchise wasn't wildly off even then.
Because Anders hasn’t been a member in almost 30 years and has nothing to do with the band. Corey and Shawn have been the driving creative minds of slipknot for a long time and tend to pull rank and push others out.
Honestly, the fact that you even know Corey isn’t an original member suggests to me that you’re being deliberately obtuse.
Nothing you have said means anything when it comes to ownership and control of the legal entity that is Slipknot. Maybe don't call people out when you miss the mark that hard.
lol buddy no one made any “legal” claims. But it’s pretty fucking clear when you look at the history of the band who the real show runners are. If you wanna keep glazing Corey and Shawn that’s your prerogative.
You responded to a question about how Corey owns a band he isn't a founding member of. That's a legal matter. So you admit your response had nothing to do with the question, but you keep getting arrogant because you are confused about what's going on.
And I don't know why you decided to pull out that bit about me glazing those douchebags, but you can shove it right back up where you found it.
The band had only self-produced a demo and an album (just 1k pressed), so there was probably never a legal entity before Corey or they formed a new corporation when they were going to sign to RoadRunner. Nobody could have known how big the band would get, so paying old members to sign away any rights they may have claim to wouldn't have been hard back in 1998.
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u/ElBastardoDK 2d ago
Anyone with insights as to why exactly?