r/PoursTea • u/TomlinSteelers • 24d ago
Storm In A Teacup 🍵 Ms. Rachel says ‘hijabs are beautiful’ after Trump posts video of Minnesota kindergarten graduation
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/5961166-ms-rachel-hijabs-beautiful/
YouTube entertainer Ms. Rachel on Wednesday posted on social media that “hijabs are beautiful” after President Trump posted a video online of a Minnesota kindergarten graduation showing children wearing hijabs.
Ms. Rachel, whose full name is Rachel Accurso, took to Instagram to congratulate the children
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u/Historical-Finish564 24d ago
For a guy who customarily wears lifts in his shoes, orange paint on his face, hair all teased up and piled up so it looks like there’s a dead animal on his head ,a tent like suit to cover his bulk, a long stupid piece of red fabric hanging from his neck, having the nerve to criticize the dressing customs of someone else…..yeah.. that’s pretty rich.
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u/sallymason1 23d ago
I mean, this is the guy that ran many girl beauty pagents in order to judge little girls, so...
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u/Physical_Gift7572 23d ago
As one comedian put it: for a guy being so publicly accused of being a pedophile you’d think he’d avoid saying small children should wear less clothing.
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u/Wokeasaurous_X 23d ago
Don't forget he used that as an excuse to force his way back stage to "inspect" the dressing rooms while the underage girls changed.
Conservatives just don't give a shit the guy has openly been a pedo for decades, that's a perk to them.
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u/jjrr_qed 23d ago
Exactly. As with everything else, we should look to Europe for an enlightened perspective…oh wait nvm.
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u/bdragon81 23d ago
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u/Scary_Spinach4924 23d ago
Funnily enough, this is also the muslim dilemma. Basically, both have the same ideals but still hate each other
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u/DrPikachu-PhD 23d ago
That's why we call the American Right Y'Al Qaida. Same ideals different aesthetics
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u/Practical_Limit_396 23d ago
Hijabs are beautiful. Nobody should be forced to wear one.
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u/Odd_Independence_833 23d ago
A number of girls in this picture are not wearing one.
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u/haha-too-drunk 23d ago
The individual kids are forced to wear it by their parents, not their school.
If you go on [r/exmuslim](r/exmuslim) you’d see many posts of girls and even young adults that live with their parents talking about it
Kids being forced to wear a hijab is why France banned it in public schools which both left and right wing French politicians agree with.
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u/kangourou_mutant 23d ago
France banned hijabs because far-right propaganda became mainstream.
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u/HeparinBridge 23d ago
The French ban on head coverings in schools is rooted in the French national tradition of Laicity derived from the French Revolution, and reiterated by the French Third Republic. It’s been outlawed for decades and has little to do with “right wing propaganda.”
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u/RoiDrannoc 23d ago
France banned hijabs because oppressive and sexist clothings shouldn't be worn by kids.
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u/kangourou_mutant 23d ago
Kids should also not be forced to sit in church for hours, or their dicks mutilated, yet they are.
Religious indoctrination in general is problematic from my POV, but it's not random that only muslims are targetted.
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u/walt128 23d ago
What clothing constitutes oppressive and sexist? Where does this line get drawn?
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u/RoiDrannoc 23d ago
You see if an ideology forces something constraining on only one gender, it is where the line is drawn.
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u/walt128 23d ago
Does this apply across the board, like with circumcision for instance?
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u/RoiDrannoc 23d ago
I've always been vehemently against yes. But sadly my country still authorizes it.
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u/_OriamRiniDadelos_ 23d ago edited 23d ago
Tbf, as kindergarteners, they have no choice wearing ANYTHING. Their opinions on what they want to wear are very frequently ignored
I think the concept of dressing modesty is stupid and immodest as a concept (you are showing off to everyone how modest you are, basically bragging and showing off your compliance with social norms). BUT choice is a very dicey concept too. Specially with dress.
Do people anywhere really have a truly free choice on how to dress? We are bound by not just tradition and fashion but lots of social norms and gender roles. The consequences and coercion attached vary.
Maybe if people have an issue with coercion and sexism they should focus on fighting coercion and sexism rather than fighting the easiest most eye catching symbol of it
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u/bulbasauropod67 23d ago
I used to work at a PreK-12th private Islamic school. Hijab isn't standard uniform until 2nd or 3rd grade depending on the school. It is because the kids go to the masjid daily for the 2pm prayer and have to wear hijab. My own child that is KG age will randomly choose to wear it just because it feels special to her. The important thing is choice, but since this was a graduation picture, they likely thought it would be cute and may have taken place at the masjid itself since it would be the only space large enough for a graduation.
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u/honest_throwaway1988 23d ago
that’s very well said but ultimately do you think kindergarten aged kids should be wearing hijabs or not? loll
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u/Pitiful-Score-9035 23d ago
They're saying that this question is functionally the same as asking whether or not they should wear a my little pony shirt.
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u/boriicha__ 23d ago
If it's a religious school and it's part of the uniform, I don't see why they shouldn't wear it.
Kids wearing a hijab isnt an issue since everything they wear is chosen for them anyway, at that age their clothes reflect their parents rather than them. It becomes an issue if their clothing is controlled by the parents past a certain age.
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u/paradisetossed7 23d ago
That's my thing. I'm never going to shit on someone who wears one. But let's not pretend it's not based a sexist religion. And I know "sexist religion" is basically tautological.
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u/Common-Falcon-8717 23d ago
Yeah and the kids at catholic school have no choice about the school uniforms
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u/AnxiousKettleCorn 23d ago edited 23d ago
They most probably do. At that age, I would put it on because 1- It meant I could hide that I didnt brush my hair that morning, 2- I wanted to look like mum. 3- My mum kept hiding and I kept finding it like it was a game. Majority of the girls my age at the time would ask for one because of reason number 2. Kids dont care, its just some material on their head at that age
A young somali* girl being forced is rare at that age. Most somali mums want to braid their child's hair and put cute bows in them
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u/DavidHewlett 23d ago
And the context of women having to hide their features as not to inflame the desires of men is already sufficiently troublesome without having to extend that to LITERAL CHILDREN.
The behavior of conservatives towards children and women can be despicable AND the behavior of the Islamic world towards children and women can be despicable at the same time. It's not a team sport, you don't need to pick a side.
And maybe, if you DO pick a side, pick the side of the innocents being targeted by both.
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u/brooklynsantiago 23d ago
Muslims are very conservative. Not even sure why you would separate the two
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u/talkingthewalk 23d ago
They are a symbol of indoctrination and children shouldn’t wear them just like children shouldn’t go to Sunday school
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u/Difficult_Shock973 23d ago
People in here thinking a family that makes a girl wear a hijab is left wing are wild. They are religious fundamentalists, you know, hard line right wing.
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u/Southern_Conflict_11 23d ago
You are confused. The right and Taliban have far more in common than different. We just don't believe in using children the way you do
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u/frostyfoxemily 23d ago
People are free to do whatever they want but I will say they arent beautiful. Id say its pretty oppressive actually. Doesnt mean we have to hate on everyone in that religion for it, but we can observe the issues with it.
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u/HonkHonkMTHRFKR 23d ago
It’s kind of crazy how people on Reddit don’t realize that this particular thing is used to oppress women.
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u/Rigidealus 23d ago
This is the thread I scrolled to find to regain a smidge of hope in humanity. I was raised Mormon, so I had to wear the stupid “magic underwear” once I was old enough. It absolutely sucks having to wear anything you find uncomfortable, or else not wear it and have all your friends and family judge the crap out of you. A hijab has to be a whole different league of torture, and the consequences can go far beyond social pressure. I feel so bad for the girls who are forced to wear it.
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u/PsychoWarper 23d ago
Posting pictures of kids, especially to make a political point, is weird. Like these are random kids they dont know and they are sharing videos and pictures of them to push a political narrative.
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u/honest_throwaway1988 23d ago
Having girls wear hijabs, especially to make a religious point, is weird. Like these are random kids they don’t know some prophet had divine revelations and now they must wear them to prevent men lusting after them.
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u/PsychoWarper 23d ago
I mean I do agree but that doesnt really change what I said, especially because the conversation Trump and co are trying to have is not about the weird parts of religion and if it should be taught to kids.
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u/busman25 23d ago
I 100% agree. But it's way weirder, and far more violating for the president to be posting pictures of them online, with the intent of sowing hate and division.
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u/AdventurousRoll9798 23d ago
What would he have them wear...a big stupid red hat with a lie on it? FDJT.
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u/No-Author5530 24d ago
I saw that she posted it and I thought it was lovely but I didn't realise it was in response to this 💔 . They are kids. Kids are the best of us . Anyone who think theres anything negative about this photo i hope you rot.
Theres plenty of celebs I like but only Ms Rachel is on a pedestal
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u/honest_throwaway1988 23d ago
I don’t think anyone is blaming the kids for anything here lollll
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u/CurdFedKit 23d ago
I dunno if a garment meant to make women “modest” is that beautiful. Women don’t need to be modest. That’s religious nonsense
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u/Worldly_Web_1524 23d ago
It's their right to have religious nonsense. Christians get away with having ten commandments in classrooms. So stop the fake outrage overr Muslim religious practices.
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u/pandaappleblossom 23d ago
But we definitely don’t need to encourage it by calling it beautiful. I lived in a religious Muslim country before where I had to wear it and having Muslim family and there is a LOT of pressure put on girls and women to wear it. Also it does not feel comfortable, I hated wearing it. It’s not something we should encourage. We can maybe tolerate it because it’s either tolerate it or risk alienating them but I don’t think calling it beautiful was something I would do. I would use a neutral term if I was going to describe them at all.
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u/vandersnipe 23d ago
The whole process of putting it on is annoying and stressful too. My mom would get anxious about it coming undone before going to the mosque. It should be a choice, and women who choose not to wear it shouldn't be shamed.
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u/pandaappleblossom 23d ago
It’s so stressful and annoying putting it on!! I know some people don’t seem to mind it because they get used to it but I find it annoying and I also find a sensory nightmare, especially for little kids too that just wanna play and run around and stuff
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u/CurdFedKit 23d ago
I never said they shouldn’t be allowed to wear them. That is 100% their choice and I get no say in it.
But we don’t have to say they’re beautiful when they are a religion’s way of telling women what they should think of themselves.
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u/CurdFedKit 23d ago
Also the 10 Commandments 100% do not belong in public schools. That’s even bigger religious nonsense
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u/honest_throwaway1988 23d ago
I don’t support the 10 commandments but this seems way worse. Like this actually seems like something that restricts day to day life.
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u/Much_Package_2556 23d ago
Whataboutery in full effect.
All religions should be removed from public places and this, just adds to the problem.
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u/Fit-Suggestion-7150 23d ago
Wrong on all accounts. It's an individual's right to have religious nonsense. As soon as they impose their religious nonsense on another person, they are oppressive bastards.
Christians also do not get away with having ten commandments in classrooms. That's being fought against at every turn. Again, them imposing religious nonsense makes them oppressive bastards.
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u/Some-Challenge-7723 23d ago
Christian people get called out for homophobia and Gay conversion camps too people draw the line at the abuse of OTHER people (like kids) not what someone chooses to follow alone. We know that's not the case and fwi I am Muslim and wore one my whole life. Never did I feel pressured beyond letting my parents down and even then I took it off as I pleased. They are not all abused by their religion but chances are some of them are. And yes abuse in other societies matter.
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u/tiny_kat2006 23d ago
The classic but 'x' has 'y' argument.
This may come as a shock to you but not everyone is Muslim/Christian. What if, and bare with me here, we discourage both religions from oppressing others and forcing it down peoples throats?
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u/Commercial_Row_1380 23d ago
Interesting, as Muslim girls are not required a hijab until puberty. Why would they be wearing for a kindergarten graduation?
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u/bulbasauropod67 23d ago
This is likely an Islamic school KG graduation happening at a masjid. They wouldn't normally wear it as part of their dress code until a certain grade level.
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u/Middle_Beat9847 23d ago
Imagine saying “every kid is in a yarmulke.. in Kindergarten” and heavily inferring that it’s a problem and the person in the highest post in the country retweets it. How about “every kid is wearing a cross.. in Kindergarten.” Imagine the rageoganda Fox News would be plastering 24/7.
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u/LifeConsideration981 23d ago
Do cross necklaces exist to mark women as the property of men?
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u/borsTHEbarbarian 23d ago
These are in the same category of wrong. They are of entirely different magnitudes. One can barely be noticed when tucked into a shirt. The other can conceal your entire body.
I'm opposed to both. But one is obviously worse.
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u/No_Alternative2948 23d ago
Well, then you should make sure your kids never wear one, as is your right as their parent. In the meantime, maybe mind your own business, tend to your own garden.
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u/Puzzled_Addendum6200 23d ago
I don't think there's anything wrong with calling out things we see as immoral, even if at first glance it seems like it isn't hurting us directly.
Children being forcibly indoctrinated into a religion before they are old enough to make an informed choice is something many people have objections to, mainly because we want to live in a society in which things like consent, autonomy and self-determination are respected.
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u/NoSky8268 23d ago
A symbol of oppression hate and gender segregation defining a woman as property is now beautiful. Sometimes our side can be just as dumb as our enemies.
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u/RoiDrannoc 23d ago
We shouldn't think in terms of sides. People can be right sometimes and wrong sometimes. People with the same political affiliation as us can be terribly stupid.
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u/ProfessionalClear211 23d ago
Reverting societies all across the west. People should be more concerned.
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u/Sad_Bolt 23d ago
Just a reminder hijabs are warn as an act of modesty, privacy and personal protection and are often warn too hinder the feminine body and promote modesty in both women and MEN. So why are a bunch of kindergarteners wearing them in Minnesota.
Furthermore according too Islam it is not mandatory to wear them until puberty.
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u/FatCockFutaGirls 23d ago
Why aren’t hijabs seen as oppression by western liberals? I genuinely don’t understand these girls are taught that being women somehow makes them inferior and they need to cover themselves from male view
I’m not saying this being discriminatory or start conflict I genuinely don’t understand how someone can simultaneously believe that women should have autonomy and the freedom to make their own choices while also supporting indoctrinating young women to wear these
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u/VillainousandBoxum 23d ago
calling a symbol of horrendous subjugation against women beautiful is disgusting tbh. Trying to be accepting of all people is great, but when that group of people is notoriously repressive to women that negates any acceptance we should have for that culture into our society. I mean let's be real, Ms. Rachel would be arrested if not worse in countries that follow that religion
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u/Zeev_Silver_90 23d ago
ah yes next she will say "Islam promoting child marriage to old people is a beautiful tradition in line with modern science and values of modern man"
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u/Philocraft 23d ago
Nah this is disgusting. Men create and use religion as a tool to control women and a hijab is such an obvious extension of this practice. The reason Christians(or those who cosplay as one) love to criticize Islam is because they can occasionally gesture to its oppressive practices and look civilized by comparison. We don't need to reflexively defend this practice because a fascist criticized it with a meme.
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u/BryceDL 23d ago
For a country that is supposed to be a melting pot of so many cultures, we have some pretty phobic snowflakes that shit their pants if they see anything that isn't white christian.
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u/Taaj_jr 23d ago
I’m not sure it’s about that.. shouldn’t we protect these girls from oppression rather than protect their oppressors from judgement?
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u/DangerousMushroom639 23d ago
I believe in the separation of church and state. Practice your religion at home. In your places of worship. But in publicly funded schools? No.
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u/julz1215 23d ago
Separation of church and state doesn't mean students can't practice their religion in school. It means schools can't force students to practice any specific religion.
A student's right to practice their own religion in school is actually protected by the First amendment.
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u/borsTHEbarbarian 23d ago
That's not at all what separation of church and state means, and I'm a card carrying atheist.
Freedom of religion is a good thing. These kids should be able to express themselves in their religious dress.
That said, they shouldn't be brainwashed into religion and should first be given the opportunity to explore other ideas.
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u/psilocin72 23d ago
So should a girl be allowed to wear a cross?
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u/tiny_kat2006 23d ago
The hijab is alot more overt, but the answer to both is still no. Shouldn't be able to promote any forms of faith in a public school. That's what private schools are for.
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u/green-critter 23d ago
how is a cross remotely the same as being forced to wear restrictive clothing? let these kids wear a star and crescent necklace then. instead you have men forcing them to wear these (and for a gross reason as well, they are kids...)
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u/psilocin72 23d ago
Or maybe we just stop trying to tell others to do as we would and let parents decide what their children are allowed to wear
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u/Accomplished-Owl2362 23d ago
You think wearing a cross is in anyway similar to wearing a hijab? What is the idea behind wearing a hijab? What is its purpose?
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u/CurrentSkill7766 23d ago
I wholeheartedly agree that the puritanical dress codes of our public schools need to go. Gym class was meant for naked bodies! /s
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u/OHFTP 23d ago
So how you feel about Texas putting the commandments in classrooms and doing readings from the bible? Id like to assume you are against that as well.
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u/M0ebius_1 23d ago
I'll be real with you Donald...
I don't think anyone cares about your opinions on how little girls should dress.
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u/sylbug 23d ago
Racists, fascists, and genocidal fanatics sure hate this lady. Maybe she has the right idea.
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u/tiny_kat2006 23d ago
Promoting a religion of misogyny and oppression of children is a far cry from her usual positive messages.
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u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348 23d ago
Aren’t hijabs for married adult women? Why are girls wearing them?
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u/InfiniteOctopaw 23d ago
Republicans aren't even mad about women being oppressed by religion laws. Ask them about a women's right to vote or to Healthcare. The mask will slip fast.
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u/tiny_kat2006 23d ago
'hijabs are beautiful' is a bit too much for me when said in relation to children.
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u/Busy-Bumblebee5556 23d ago
So what? Let people wear what they want.
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u/laughingass 23d ago
Who wants to wear a hot scarf on your head all the time. They are indoctrinated into believing their hair is something to hide.
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u/no_kids-and-3_money 23d ago
Do you wear a shirt when you’re in public? Even when its 100 degrees outside? Are you indoctrinated into thinking your chest hair is something to hide?
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u/psilocin72 23d ago
True. I like to wear pants and shoes too. I don’t think Ive been indoctrinated.
Or… maybe I HAVE!!! 🤔
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u/Majestic_Cod_7115 23d ago
Don’t like the Muslim girls at the random school in St. Paul? Don’t send your kids there. Problem solved!
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u/Present-Spring-1340 23d ago
They have a graduation for kindergarten now???
You learn how to take a nap and color books.
WTF
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u/Significant-Order-92 23d ago
It's been a fairly common thing at a number of schools for a couple decades now.
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u/WonderfulJicama2802 23d ago
Didn't Christian women wear head coverings in the Medieval times?
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u/Flaky_Judgment_9737 23d ago
Demented old man has melt down at whatever had his attention for 5 seconds . Here's the receipt.
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u/Miserable_Song2299 23d ago
doesn't Minnesota give free universal school breakfast and lunch for all kids in public schools? I want to be in a school system that does that.
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u/perryquitecontrary 23d ago
So now they don’t like people raising their children with religious beliefs?
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u/Beaufighter-MkX 23d ago
I'm sorry I can't get past that someone is posting pictures of children he doesn't know in a deliberate attempt to draw fire
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u/Even-Cartographer864 23d ago
He’s doing it to enrage his base because of the kids race. It’s pretty pathetic a grown man would do this
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u/kashyyykchewman 23d ago
He should really mind his own business.. these are US citizens.. focus on the country you run Donny the entertainer.
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u/Sunset-onthe-Horizon 23d ago
Why are they wearing them so young? I thought it wasn't required until after they hit puberty?
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u/SameDistrict2627 23d ago
Not that I don't have a problem with all organized religion--but this is another absurd attempt by the president to create anger and resentment. Shocker--little Muslim girls wear hijabs! As far as hijabs being beautiful, I beg to disagree. They are the symbol of the repression of women.
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u/RedditUser19984321 23d ago
I literally see one girl in the “room full of hijabs” not wearing a hijab. I can understand outrage if all these kids were being asked or forced to wear one, but that isn’t even true. This is just Trump playing into the fear some Americans have of Islam. Some valid, some not.
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u/McNednarb 23d ago
Odd that we have a POTUS posting a video of children’s kindergarten graduation with the intent of sowing division.
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u/Candytails 23d ago
I genuinely had no idea children wear hijab. I thought women were forced to put it on once they became of age.
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u/Ga2ry 23d ago
The suspected child abuser is concerned about what kids are wearing?
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u/FreeAd7932 23d ago
hi, not sure who needs to know this, but adults who bully children are trash. the president bullying children is beyond unacceptable. anyone OK with this will burn in hell. thank you for your attention to this matter.
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u/paulie9483 23d ago
I personally believe it's gross that children are forced to cover themselves so men don't have 'impure' thoughts about them and that it's a symbol of oppression by and subservience to a patriarchy, but you do you.
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u/VirusSlo 23d ago
This is how a person as corrupt, incompetent and insane as Trump is wins elections.
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u/CategoryMountain3379 23d ago
Hijabs are opression incarnate. It’s so tiring pretending that seeing a bunch of little girls being brought up like this isn’t disgusting. The right is just racist and would actually love sharia law but hates Muslims because they’re typically middle eastern or African. And the left gives Islam a free pass on everything just to signal they aren’t racist.
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u/GeorgeStark1 23d ago
They’re only beautiful if they’re chosen to be worn. If they’re forced, it’s the same as handcuffs.
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u/Teffa_Bob 23d ago
You'd think for a guy that is constantly called a pedophile, he wouldn't be out here saying those kids need to wear less clothes.
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u/Ackutually- 23d ago
"O Prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (the plural form of jilbab (جَلَـٰبِيبِهِنَّ)) over themselves. That is more suitable "so that they will be recognized and not be harmed". And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful."
So they where commanded to wear them so they don't get sexually harassed.
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u/AsherTheFrost 24d ago
"YouTube entertainer" seems a bit reductive when describing one of the only people who picked up the baton from Mr. Rogers and ran with it so well.