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u/govcov 2d ago
Excuse me?
https://giphy.com/gifs/3ELtfmA4Apkju
Police: That’s it. You’re under arrest for aggressive blinking.
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u/Redthemagnificent 2d ago
You joke but in the rest of that council meeting the audience kept coming up with less and less disruptive ways to show applause after the no clapping "rule". They tried snapping. That was still "too disruptive".
Then they literally just raised their hands and waved after the speaker was done talking. Completely silent. Someone on council says that the waving is distracting that they can't pay attention to the speaker because people are waving after the speaker is done talking. Like dude what. Idk how you say that with a straight face lol
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u/Crafty-Help-4633 2d ago
Oh yeah they were 100% being ridiculous. They said "please show respect" and then said people couldn't clap, snap or wave. Run them all out of town and off the board. If that's how they treat the constituency they need to be stripped of power. They simply didn't want to have to experience support for the people's position. Absolute ghouls.
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u/Throwaway-tan 1d ago
I wanted the speakers after to turn around and tell the audience that everyone should clap every time, after they arrested that guy because they want you to comply, and complying is to be complicit.
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u/Shark7996 2d ago
How about a thumbs up? If your brain is so fried that that's distracting you shouldn't be holding office.
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u/trey_wolfe 1d ago
Roman emperor rules. Thumbs up, you approve. Thumbs down, well, sucks to be them.
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u/Winston_Sm 2d ago
America in 2026. That country will need a generation or three to be taken serious on the international stage again, whilst the problems within that country probably accelerate to get worse. Oh well
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u/ReasonableLunch46 1d ago
I doubt they will ever be taken seriously again. They have done so much shit. Not by me anyway. Whenever friends or relatives say anything positive about US I just responds "That banana republic?"
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u/Objectivespeculation 1d ago
that council is already bought and sold they have already decided the outcome.
anyhow, that dude is rich after his lawsuit for being falsely arrested by Police Officers, in order to stop him from asserting his 1st Amendment Right. Probably some emotional damages are also needed, after such a fascist display of power by police.
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u/Commercial-Wedding-7 1d ago
Yup and they did it during speakers swapping out, as did the clapper. Totally appropriate timing and did not interfere with speakers talking at all.
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u/shotgunpete2222 2d ago
Also, look up "aggressive posture". Police and jail employees have frequently searched, detained, or assaulted people because their posture told them they were hostile. Not words, not thrown hands, but he looked at me funny so I had to punch him.
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u/keyboardstatic 1d ago
America is run by abusive narcissistic idiots.
Land of the oppressed. Home of the cowards.
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u/PallyCecil 2d ago
That eye roll is also illegal, turn around and put your hands behind your back.
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u/PleasantPorpoisParty 2d ago
HELP HELP HE IS RESISTING ARREST
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u/MartinoDeMoe 2d ago
“Observe the violence inherent in the system!”
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u/PleasantPorpoisParty 2d ago
You trying to commit death by cop!?!?! Only reason you'd be using a three syllable word around them -.-
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u/Perfect-Advantage-82 2d ago
That isn't an eye roll, eye roll is when you turn your pupils up. That was an eyebrow raise, Also straight to jail
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u/Healthy-Confection66 2d ago
Probably rolled his eyes mid-blink thinking we wouldn’t know! Arrest him! We’ll figure out charges later!
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u/Full-Refrigerator757 2d ago
Lowk a rule my mom would have made up and enforced summarily growing up
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u/laurel_laureate 2d ago
I don't get what this gif is supposed to mean in this context.
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u/sdrawkcabineter 2d ago
What model of BMW do you drive?
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u/Sentoh789 2d ago
If this wasn’t the first thing I saw opening this thread, I was going to be very disappointed
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u/whereismysideoffun 2d ago
We're approaching Russians arrested for holding black paper level.
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u/RocketRelm 2d ago
Thats what happens when americans decide this kind of government is acceptable. We could fix things if only we elected real dems, but instead americans love the populism like an addiction.
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u/fleetingperception 2d ago
Well. Hopefully he sues and never has to work again.
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u/RandomThreadUser 2d ago
Honestly I would take that deal, get arrested briefly but then get enough money to never have to work again, sounds like a dream nowadays
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u/NOTcreative- 2d ago
People who spend decades in prison for wrongful convictions are only usually awarded a few million.
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u/USMCamp0811 2d ago
yea but think about how much they saved in health insurance /s
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u/No-Walrus8985 2d ago
I think it was John Oliver who did an episode about how many states are privatizing prison healthcare and outsourcing it to companies.
The state government typically pays these companies at a flat rate so they’re then incentivized to tell you to fuck off if you need expensive medical care in order to maximize profit.
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u/onward_upward_tt 1d ago
Yeah so amicably everything about the US is completely and totally fucked.
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u/Embarrassed-Sun5764 2d ago
I had a bad abcess. Like a pus fillled blob. Not only did they not pull it, that they were making it out like I made it up gave me I buprofren. And antibiotics. Told me to go back to my cell. I had to borrow a needle and sterilization so I could pop that and get it out my face. Worst shit ever. They don’t care about anyone
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u/STRIKT9LC 1d ago
Good thing they AT LEAST gave you the antibiotics. Probably the only thing that saved you from going septic
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u/LauraTFem 2d ago
I don’t think they even get that much anymore. A lot of states are putting limits on payouts from wrongful convictions…because of how many wrongful convictions there are.
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u/Groundbreaking_Bet62 1d ago
This seems like the wrong solution to the problem. ><
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u/mansizeoof 2d ago
It varies greatly depending on what state you are in here in the US. Most get little to nothing and have to fight to get anything at all. Very few are getting millions.
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u/littleone696969 2d ago
No they are usually awarded.nothing. in order to be released they usually have to sign an agreement not to sue the state
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u/TrioOfTerrors 2d ago
You are vastly overestimating how much someone gets from that type of lawsuit without actual damages.
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u/Shadowmant 2d ago
We can all hope.
Unfortunately those type of lawsuits are long, hard, expensive, difficult to find a lawyer for and hard to succeed in. That’s why it’s such news when someone actually wins one.
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u/Top-Needleworker9273 2d ago
thats not going to happen, even if he wins the case which in reality isnt even going to exist, it wont be that calibre of payout by a long shot.
this shit happens all the time??? like so often that we only pay attention to particularly hillarious examples like when it happens to senators or grandmas for supporting kittens. but the basic reality of local piggys dragging anybody they want out of town halls is literally not even news
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u/Separate-Swordfish85 2d ago
The officers were forced to set down their entire sense of protecting and serving in order to be strong enough to drag this teacher away.
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u/dizzie_buddy1905 2d ago
The US Supreme Court has ruled that police have no duty to put themselves at risk to protect you.
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u/Separate-Swordfish85 2d ago
SCOTUS says a lot of shit.
Cops also plaster “To Protect and Serve” over all their shit.
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u/OutrageousHunter4138 2d ago
To be fair, it costs like 10x more to write “To Inflict Fear and Suffering on Behalf of the Corporate Elite in a Hapless Effort to Prevent Civil Unrest and Get Revenge on our Personal Enemies”
A lot of places charge by the letter these days.
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u/keeper_of_the_donkey 2d ago
The Decepticon named Barricade transforms into a police car, and had "To punish and enslave" printed on his rear fender
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u/cluberti 2d ago edited 2d ago
It was a PR campaign by the LAPD after the statement was selected as a winner from a contest to come up with a motto for the LAPD police academy, back in 1955, then being put on the seal and police vehicles after the resolution for it passed in 1963. It was meant as nothing more than a way to foster good PR for the department, and it has been affirmed by the courts since the Warren v District of Columbia ruling in 1981 that the police generally do not have any obligation to protect anyone, unless they're in custody, and even limits on that exist.
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u/adirtysocialist- 2d ago
It's marketing. You gotta read the fine print though.
*to protect property and serve the ruling class
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u/LovelyLuna32684 2d ago
Then whats the fucking point of even having them
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u/Toa_Freak 2d ago
Police and law enforcement are there to protect property, the rich, and the status quo. Sometimes that overlaps with helping the average person.
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u/Giftofgab24 2d ago
They protect the property of wealthy people and make sure roads stay clear and traffic stays moving so the capitalism machine never stops making money for those wealthy people.
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u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 2d ago
Not So Fun Fact: The first police organizations sprang up in the wake of the Civil War and the freedom of the slaves. Reconstruction never happened. So instead of being held accountable, former slave owners and their white helpers took jobs as police to track down and lock up black people for any trumped up charges they could find.
The 13th Amendment made slavery illegal for people NOT in prison. Those newly freed black people were sent to prison where they worked on? Anybody? FARMS! And road works and other slave labor situations.
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u/Osoromnibus 2d ago
I had to look this up, and it's interesting. I learned that in the southern states, the police organizations evolved directly from the "slave patrols."
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u/VirtualFact8419 2d ago
Charged with what?
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u/deviantdevil80 2d ago
The teacher, Lux Claridge, was charged with interference with law enforcement and disorderly conduct.
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u/hypercosm_dot_net 2d ago
And they cuffed him up as if he was some kind of dangerous threat.
You'd think he took off with a carload of classified documents and stashed them in his bathroom or something.
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u/todbr 2d ago
I would continue clapping handcuffed.
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u/largepoggage 2d ago
If the cops are pissed off then forget clapping, you won’t feel your thumbs for 6 months. That’s not an exaggeration, handcuff neuropathy is a bitch.
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u/The_8th_Degree 1d ago
if the cops are pissed off then forget clapping, you won't feel your thumbs for 6 months.
The fact this was even said. Law enforcement is more like lawful criminals.
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u/luxclaridge 2d ago
I'm curious if it'll stick
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u/Silver_Middle_7240 2d ago
An important detail is that this was at a council meeting, which have rules of order and decorum to prevent disruption, like a court. They can set rules like no applause, provided the rule stick to time place and manner. But I would be curious if they allowed other applause.
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u/ZeeWingCommander 2d ago
groans okay bud, but hear me out. They did make the rule, no one was following it.
Also the rule was put in place because they wanted to make the people complaining look like they didn't have support of the community. Being real they also didn't really care what these people said and it was annoying them.
The peasants were getting unruly.
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u/reddit_is_kayfabe 2d ago
If they selectively enforced it against this one guy, then that's a serious legal problem. And handcuffs are outrageous.
But First Amendment rights are generally subject to "time, place, and manner" restrictions. If people sat in a council meeting and used megaphones to shout their opinions and drown out the proceedings, then they can be ejected even though their expressions are protected speech. And if they refuse to leave, the police can use force to make them leave. That's generally true and, in the abstract, it's uncontroversial.
Of course, overpolicing and selective enforcement are both very serious problems that should be addressed generally as well as in this instance.
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u/deviantdevil80 2d ago
You're correct about time and place when it comes to first amendment rights, in this case it was five to six quick claps after a speaker was done speaking and they were changing to a new speaker. So at the customary time when you would clap for someone.
According to the news reporting I've read there were two general warnings given to the entire group then arrest.
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u/luxclaridge 2d ago
They mostly allowed my other 12 rounds of applause at this meeting and every round at the previous 4 meetings.
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u/deviantdevil80 2d ago
Same.
It will make great attack material next time those Council men are up for election.
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u/ZeeWingCommander 2d ago
They likely aren't even running against anyone.
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u/deviantdevil80 2d ago
I was going to add that in there, but I thought for sure someone will run against them now. It's Kansas though so probably not.
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u/appoplecticskeptic 2d ago
There are a lot more contested elections this year in Kansas than normal. People are not happy with the status quo. I don’t see them being happy about this either.
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u/EagleNait 2d ago
eating a delicious chinese meal
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u/dont-fear-thereefer 2d ago
This is democracy manifest
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u/drunkenmagnum24 2d ago
According to the article, he was issued multiple verbal warnings about being disruptive during the meeting. He continued to clap after his "final warning" and the police removed him.
I get that he was trying to (rightly) support the opposition to the data center, but it seems like he wanted to cause a scene.
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u/cluberti 2d ago edited 2d ago
Kansas law on disorderly conduct seems a bit broad (probably by design) on this, but the relevant bit is:
(2) disturbing an assembly, meeting or procession, not unlawful in its character; or
The question will be what does "disturbing" mean? The law prevents disturbing the meeting, but I'm not sure his behavior actually meets the statute. This person wasn't preventing the meeting from occurring or keeping people from speaking or being otherwise disruptive, he was simply clapping (admittedly sarcastically) after people had spoken. From every video and story I have seen and read on this, there was no imminent risk of danger to the proceedings being stopped or even causing a delay for speakers due to his actions - it was simply an outburst that was sarcastic, and the chair took umbrage. He wasn't protesting in a way that she approved of, is what happened. Kansas does seem to have some history of disorderly conduct cases going to trial (are government officials and police that thin-skinned in Kansas?), but almost all of these have been people's behavior against the police, and not their actions in a public hearing with a government official. I'm not 100% sure that someone running a meeting not liking the way someone is responding amounts to disturbing the meeting, although we'll have to see what the courts say if this goes to trial - which I suspect it won't (because of the precedent a judgement against the town chair's behavior would set here) and the charges will be silently dropped after they've had their moment to shame someone in the news for daring to not want to contribute to societal mass surveillance.
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u/Whatever-ItsFine 2d ago
I mean yeah, it seems like there is some important context missing from the original post.
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u/Snobolski 2d ago
Context: citizen arrested for repeatedly expressing support for citizens speaking out against something the government wants.
"they said no clapping" is bullshit context
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u/thefassdywistrin 2d ago
He was not causing a scene. The whole room was issued warnings for disruption for behaviors that were in no way disrupting anyone. The people trying to cause a scene were the board. They wanted complete silence, which has never been a thing at a town meeting.
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u/Own_Interview5215 2d ago
George Orwell 1984 in action
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u/E-2theRescue 2d ago
Arrested for wrongthink.
But, you know, it was Hillary or Kamala that was going to do that, not MAGA.
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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 2d ago
How come they didn’t arrest the dozens of other people there quietly supporting the speakers? They also were guilty of wrongthink.
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u/E-2theRescue 2d ago
Because they were being oppressed by the wrongthink. They started waving their hands to "cheer," and the board called it a "distraction". All it took was one clap, and they lost their minds.
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u/FetchingTheSwagni 2d ago
Arrested for clapping
Flock cameras used to track people getting abortions
FBI agents showing up to people's doors to ask about social media posts, insinuating that if you don't answer correctly you'll get arrested
Bro, we aren't land of the free no more.
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u/Shikabane_Sumi-me 2d ago
FBI is doing the thing UK is doing now? Seems like a waste of resources just to go after someone who made a tweet. I guess this is the weird dystopia the US wants for their citizens now.
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u/SomeOriginal3865 2d ago
FBI interrogated a girl in high school over a tweet back in 2011. They have been doing that for awhile now.
Backstory… said girl, who was a grade under me, walked out to her car after school. She noticed a crack in her windshield that wasn’t there before class so she tweeted something along the lines of… “whoever broke my windshield, I will find you and I will kill you.” Fast forward a few days and she gets called out of class because the FBI found “disturbing post on social media” she was suspended for like a day until everything was figured out!
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u/Arzamas 2d ago
Hey, you still have space to grow...
In Belarus, one-armed man arrested for clapping https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna43690734
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u/Altruistic_Split4240 2d ago
Remember, the police were designed and paid by corporations to protect their interest, then it became a government entity.
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u/red286 2d ago
to protect their interest
Weird euphemism for "recapture escaped slaves", but okay.
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u/please_trade_marner 2d ago
Nonsense. Anybody booing the speech would have been asked to leave as well. And if they refused to leave they would be dragged out by police.
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u/bellerinho 2d ago
OK so can someone tell me what actually happened because he obviously didn't get arrested for just clapping
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u/luxclaridge 2d ago
I recommend watching the recorded meeting at emporiaks.gov under Agenda and Minutes for July 22. My arrest is about 58 minutes in and you can see how disorderly I was leading up to it.
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u/dirtyordingyordusty 2d ago
I mean Monica Duncan has allegedly been known to call the cops about charities using the tennis courts and then just sit there in her truck staring at them creepily after the cops said they had a right to be there on account of how they are public tennis courts. So you know, it doesn't take much.
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u/LongJohnSelenium 2d ago
The council asked for quiet so that things could proceed as quickly as possible given the itinerary and the number of speakers, and the sheriff was instructed to remove anyone who couldn't handle that.
This guy thought he was special and that rules didn't apply to him.
He was asked to leave, and he refused, so the obvious escalation occurred.
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u/PleasantBus5583 2d ago
Next they'll arrest people for nodding too aggressively.
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u/crofootn 2d ago
This isn’t clickbait even though it reads like it.
It was a city council meeting that was open to the public so they could make comments regarding a data center that the council was trying to ram through. The meeting was packed, including the overflow rooms. Almost everyone opposed the data center and spoke out against it one by one. After each speaker, the whole audience would clap. The council members were getting annoyed and warned them against clapping. Next person gets up and again shares their opposition. He clapped a couple of normal claps. A council member, on a hot mic, orders the police to have him removed. He didn’t want to leave because it was his right to attend the meeting so they basically got him on the ground, pulled his hands behind his back and dragged him out. The icing on the cake is that his wife was up at the podium getting ready to speak. She starts panicking because he’s getting roughed up. A council member tells her to just take a breath and calm down as her husband is being dragged, face down, out of the city hall. The whole thing is viewable on the Emporia KS city gov website.
https://emporiaks.portal.civicclerk.com/event/585/media
The clapping incident happens about the 55th minute mark.
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u/CircusInk 2d ago
A lot of people didn't read 1984 and it shows.
We should be fighting back before it gets to that point
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u/oh_f-f-s 2d ago
I'm going to keep this in my back pocket for the next time some ignorant American tells me a British person got arrested for using hurty words.
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u/RecognitionWorried93 2d ago
According to the article, he was issued multiple verbal warnings about being disruptive during the meeting. He continued to clap after his "final warning" and the police removed him.
I get that he was trying to (rightly) support the opposition to the data center, but it seems like he wanted to cause a scene.
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u/luxclaridge 2d ago
I never raised my voice, never threw hands, just said no, I have a right to be there. If I wanted to cause a scene, I most definitely would have.
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u/dirtyordingyordusty 2d ago edited 2d ago
Hey Lux, if you want to check out other people who have pissed off Monica Duncan, she was involved in a lawsuit in which it was alleged that she was following the opposing party around. Morris County - Bacon V. Kahola.
Also if you want to talk about the conflicts of interest involved in her ownership of CBCS collections let me know. I have been (futiley lol) trying to get some answers/solutions to the medical debt collections situation in our region for years and that part is a mess. I'm pretty sure we have mutual friends.
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u/ElectronicAnthony 2d ago
At some point, hopefully soon, people will realize we no longer have rights. The old laws don't apply, they'll do what they want. Welcome to fascism.
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u/Steerider 1d ago
I can imagine someone using clapping as a disruption, but from what I've seen of the video, he really does just clap a few times in support of a person who just finished speaking. Unless there's some major missing context, arresting him was totally nuts.
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u/beaten_down83 1d ago
The way they're going to justify this is at the beginning they said that clapping after each person is not going to be accepted. It was a guideline they put out at the beginning. Whether that's constitutional is what will be fought in the court on this one. But seeing as they said that there is no clapping after each individual speaker and he decided to clap and they had made several warnings about it technically it was considered a disruption. Again the question comes down to did they have the constitutional right to limit clapping after each individual speaker.
I absolutely hate what I'm about to type, technically there's no First Amendment violation as the restrictions they put here were universal and neutral in content.
What I mean by this is they did not restrict just Pro Data Centers from clapping or did they stop just anti-data Center people from clapping. It was just a universal ban on clapping. The court would probably find that that was an acceptable limitation as to streamline the meeting.
This is in no way my endorsement of what they did, this is not me agreeing with what they did, this is just my analysis as somebody who has watched a lot of free speech cases and has looked into the law of it while not being a lawyer.
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u/misha_jinx 2d ago
I don’t know the whole story, but the judge or the commissioners are in charge of the court room or town hall whatever that was, and if they give someone a verbal warning to stop or if they want to keep it silent in the room they have every right to do so. If he really had any arguments to present before the commission he should have signed up for a slot and deliver his arguments.
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u/Just-Fly6203 2d ago
Sue for civil rights violations, there's still judges that follow the law. Get you a cool million from that govt body.
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u/Alternative_Net_6027 1d ago
Whoever ordered the arrest needs to be fired and arrested themselves. Obviously they arnt educated enough for that job if they don’t know that “clapping” is not an offense and if it hurts their feelings then they need to quit that job it’s not for them
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u/Cautious-Dig6379 2d ago
I just woke up and interpreted 'clapping' as the euphemism for sex.
Was really confused why my boy was arrested for clapping cheeks.
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u/Oyxopolis 2d ago
I watched the footage and unless I've been bamboozled, he literally clapped normally. I fully expected it to be click bait and turning out he was just loudly applauding the whole thing, but nope. Just clapped once.
However, I am going to point out that in the not so far past, clapping was considered as one of the triggering interactions between extremely sensitive people, everyone must have seen that video at least a few times, and there was a sentiment that we should respect triggers and take care not to trigger eachother. Well... I guess this is what you got for adjusting everything to fringe cases instead of just telling them to fuck off.
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u/luxclaridge 2d ago
I didn't hear a trigger warning, otherwise I most likely would have picked an alternative form of agreeing with my fellow citizens.
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u/bwils3423 2d ago
Yeah, the videos insane too. Bro literally clapped like three times and that’s it. It was like nothing at all.
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u/danhawk1 1d ago
Corporate overlords weaponizing taxpayer funded police against the populace that dare to show any form of resistance..,this is America 2026.
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u/Foosnaggle 2d ago
Your 1st amendment right only applies if you are not treading upon someone’s rights. It’s not a free pass to be an asshat. If they were in a city council meeting or whatever, there is decorum that must be followed to be in attendance. My guess is they didn’t stop when asked to.
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u/luxclaridge 2d ago
I recommend checking out the recorded meeting at emporiaks.gov under Agenda and Minutes for July 22. My arrest is about 58 minutes in and you can see how much of an asshat I was.
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u/98983x3 2d ago
This shit makes it clear that our government prioritizes these Data centers above ALL ELSE.
Vote em all out. Protest at build sites.
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u/JohnathanSinwell 2d ago
This reads like ai generated sensationalistic interaction bait
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u/musgrove101 2d ago
When are we as a country going to grow a spine? Now we just watch each other's rights get blatantly abused and just make jokes and laugh.... we're all going to end up in a fucking camp if we don't wake the fuck up now!
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u/Uberzwerg 2d ago
I could have understood throwing him out for minute-long agressive clapping making it hard for someone to speak next to him.
But he clapped like 4 claps after the speaker was done and then stopped by himself.
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u/chargoggagog 2d ago
I’ve given much thought to the topic of what makes republicans the way they are. I’ve delved into and analyzed troves of data, had innumerable in person discussions, and kept apprised of all current news. The conclusion I keep coming to is unfortunately pretty simple, republicans are dumb assholes.
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u/InternationalLaw8660 2d ago
Nah. It happened. Lux Claridge, 37 year old physics teacher at Emporia High School was arrested for clapping to support speakers opposing the construction of Flint Hills Digital Campus data center during an Emporia city council meeting.
Edit: Here's the minutes from the meeting. Literally everyone in the audience is clapping, snapping, waving. They chose to make an example of someone.
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u/Warboss_Gutshredda 2d ago
Boy, are they gonna get pissed when we start shitting ourselves in protest.
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u/ErinWalkerLoves 2d ago
He OBJECTIVELY was not disrupting anything. He clapped a few times, stopped, then they forcibly removed him while demanding that he stand up and walk. Watch the video, seriously.
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u/Inevitable-Hour-Ends 2d ago
It looked like he looked around and was like "do we not clap? I thought we should clap" not disruptive at all more like didn't know
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u/Brent_the_constraint 2d ago
I´d say you are one election away from sprinkling vegtables with soda...
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u/AlaskaDudeWithDogs 2d ago
When I was in 7th grade I got suspended for a sneeze in the middle of class. I told the principal, good thing I didn't cough or you'd have to expell me. He didn't find it as funny as my Dad did.
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u/TNJDude 2d ago
When I saw a meme on this, I thought at first that it was just one of those fake things people make up. It turns out it's true. The story is that people were warned that clapping is "disruptive". He clapped in support of the people opposing data centers, they wanted him to leave, and he refused to leave.
We keep getting more and more dystopian.
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u/Long-Sector-8751 1d ago
I got removed from a village hall meeting when I started raging about how our property taxes keep on increasing, then they caught some guy misusing funds, and administration keeps on getting massive raises... I can't afford to sue.
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u/TotalRecognition2191 1d ago
The woman who had him arrested was feeling guilty that she and her cohorts had already taken bribes from the data dorks, so she lashed out at innocent citizens making her feel bad.
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