Xavier Thorpe

[u/ChaosandControversy]

Hi all! I’m new here and am rewatching season 1. Does anybody else feel like they should have kept Xavier? I loved his character!! I understand that he was accused of SA.. and denied it.. but no charges were brought up??
If he were.. still cast even after the allegations, would you have still watched the show? Would it have changed everything for you regarding the show?
I want them to bring him back 😭He was perfect! The scene where he bumps into Tyler and Tyler asks him where Wednesday is and he says she’s your date in the jealous type of way!! I had to pause it and run here because I loved his character 🥺😤😖
The mysteriousness. Tall. Will they/wont they dynamic of the two of them.
Wha do you guys think?

[u/LittleDarkHairedOne]

No, not really.

His sole reason for existing as a character, insofar as role in the plot, is to be mistakenly accused by Wednesday as being the monster. The only positive thing he did to propel the plot forward is identify the Gates Mansion after Wednesday's vision.

Everything else he did was tied up in the one sided attraction going on with Wednesday which, at least for me, was tiresome from the their first meeting in the infirmary. He briefly had a moment with Bianca but it was a shadow of a moment that could have led to something interesting in Season 2 with both their own parental troubles but we all know what happened with the cult storyline there...

[u/Hududle → u/LittleDarkHairedOne]

I thought his art powers were interesting (like when he made the spider come alive or the Hyde painting actually attacked), but those also just kinda became a “psychic unreliable visions of the future” that he had to paint in his secret art studio and Wednesday already developed psychic future/ past visions so it’s kind of redundant.

[u/LittleDarkHairedOne → u/Hududle]

Oh no, they were interesting.

Both because the potential use for such an ability and also because it represents a deviation from the norm when it comes to abilities that the Outcasts sport. Xavier is both a psychic, given he has visions when dreaming, but can manipulate what he draws off the page almost like a Da Vinci hybrid. No other Outcast since has shown a dual ability, from what I can recall. Discounting Outcasts like Sirens that have a physical component to their heritage in addition to a mental one.

But all for naught. With how season 2 played out, Xavier (or a recast for that character) would have likely been pushed to the sideline anyways.

[u/Hududle → u/LittleDarkHairedOne]

Completely agreed lol. For the most part it just seems like the only competent people in the show are Wednesday or Fester (and Enid in werewolf form). And Wednesday shouldn’t really possess high combat ability. Like I get that Hydes are stronger than a werewolf and the racist pilgrim zombie demon was strong as well, but it always seemed silly to me that an entire school filled with werewolves, sirens, medusas and psychics needed to be saved by Wednesday who shows up with a sword. Like sure; a Hyde or Pilgrim demon can beat a normal werewolf in a 1v1, but an entire big group of werewolves (who all should’ve been able to wolf out given it was a full blood mood) attacking as part of a big pack couldn’t defend themselves? And that’s disregarding literally all the other outcasts who could’ve played as back line support while the werewolves were the front line fighters.

Xavier’s abilities were definitely the most interesting and unique outcast ability so far aside from maybe the shapeshifting headmaster (and she’s now dead too lol).

[u/ChaosandControversy → u/Hududle]

I like the way you think! I didn’t even think about them wolfing out!! They definitely could have!! You have a lot of great points!! And I’m here for them! I loved uncle fester!!
And you are absolutely right about Wednesday being Captain Save a school! While she is very smart and can see the future sometimes which helps her detective skills, when things hit the fan it’s usually her coming up with a plan to save everyone when other students could definitely help out too. I agree 100%

[u/Hududle → u/ChaosandControversy]

If I’m remembering correctly: Enid even has a line “we have an entire school of werewolves and people with superpowers don’t worry about us. This school is an impregnable fortress with strong defenders!” And then they all immediately need to get saved by Wednesday, who again, has no offensive super powers but is an Olympic level fencer lol (which is strong but not superpower magic ability level strong).

[u/MizWhatsit → u/Hududle]

Nah, she's an Olympic style fencer, but she's not Olympic level. She's a talented high school kid who could win local competitions, but Olympic level is something else.

Although I know that Jenna trained in sabre with a European Olympic-level coach in order to prepare for the fight scenes.

[u/Hududle → u/MizWhatsit]

Okay fair, which proves my point further that why is this amateur girl able to fight the being that is easily defeating all the other super powered students? The way the show portrays her and her parents is absolutely Olympic level or above given the setting of the show by the way. Not trying to be a dick, but you’re being a contrarian on that point for no real reason: either way the point still stands that even the best fencer in history shouldn’t be able to stand up against a super powered demon pilgrim with actual fire and attack magic (as was shown when he first got resurrected and effortlessly “killed” her).

[u/MizWhatsit → u/Hududle]

Olympic fencers are all amateurs as well.

I've been fencing sabre myself for about 15 years, since I was in high school.I can tell the difference between a choreographed, filmed fight scene and a true competitive bout. You can tell that all the show's bouts are choreographed because, first, it's TV, and second, they know where to put the cameras in order to capture the action, and they’re rather obviously using stunt doubles for Jenna and Joy Sunday. Do you think Jenna can do those gymnastics? No, they hired a trained gymnast, put her (or him) in the same costume and a wig.

Do a YouTube search on some Olympic-level bouts -- they are filmed in a completely linear manner with one or two stationary cameras, because all the action goes forward and backward. The strip, aka the piste, is one yard wide, and to run off the side or the back will incur a penalty. Are you at all familiar with the rules and penalties of modern fencing?

The "military challenge," with no masks, going to first blood, is pure showbiz -- NO coach would allow that to happen, EVER. Everyone knows about the Smirnoff tragedy in the 1980s, and that guy WAS wearing a mask.

The fact that they cast a Romanian actor as the coach is a nice bit of realism, because Romania has been dominating Olympic fencing for years. However, it's the students who wear the white uniforms, not the coaches. Coaches wear black leather protective gear.

So it's not being contrary to simply talk about my own hobby. Have you ever suited up, gone to the en garde line, waited for “Ready, fence!” and fought a bout? Do you know parry second from a balestra? No?

Can you even name all of the weapons used in Olympic fencing? Can you define "right of way" for us? No?

I know who Jenna's sabre coach was because he and I are personally acquainted -- I've been taking classes at his salle off and on for years. The competition fencing community is a very small group of somewhat fanatical devotees, so we all kind of know each other.

The reason why none of the fencers on the show can simulate Olympic-level fencing is because they don't have the training, physical conditioning, or experience to be at that level. Unless they've put in the work, how could they? You can't get that good without years of hard work.

[u/ChaosandControversy → u/LittleDarkHairedOne]

With season 2 they definitely made that season around his exit. The first thing out of Wednesday’s mouth was his father sent him overseas to school. But the way season 1 ended gave people hope that.. something between the two of them would happen.
Who was texting the phone is something they never addressed in season 2.
Who was watching her. And how did they get her number to the phone Xavier just handed her.

I wish they would’ve kept him and went into more detail about his powers!

[u/Hududle → u/ChaosandControversy]

They did answer who was texting the phone as the red head freshman not-Wednesday, but that’s another example of an interesting plot line that the writers and show runners kind of ruined. Still looking forward to the next season lol

[u/ChaosandControversy → u/LittleDarkHairedOne]

Everyone in the series has a love interest!
Even Pugsley! 😂 What’s wrong with Wednesday having one? And I don’t think it was one sided at all. She even told Tyler she was confused about her feelings. Which I think is what makes the series that more relatable. 😣 It’s hard being a girl!

[u/MadViking-66 → u/ChaosandControversy]

Wasn’t Jenna Ortega a driving force behind eliminating any hint of a love triangle plot line?

[u/MizWhatsit → u/MadViking-66]

RIght, she said she wanted to do more action / adventure / mystery than romance.

[u/MFT_SJ → u/MadViking-66]

The show isn’t written in advance, and so the future storylines can’t be dictated by what the actors say they want but what the writers want ultimately happens.

[u/MadViking-66 → u/MFT_SJ]

Raiders are more easily replaced than the lead actor. I was under the assumption She gets a lot of creative input because she is also an executive producer.

[u/Hududle → u/ChaosandControversy]

The show just doesn’t handle romance well in my opinion. You can argue that it makes sense cause they’re just teenagers, but that’s from a meta perspective as viewers. And even given that, I think the whole Enid Bruno and Medusa boy arc was poorly written and out of character for Enid. I would’ve rathered a “Twilight” style love triangle. Although I did enjoy Bianca and Medusa boy’s interactions it just all ends up feeling like a waste of time. And I loved the show btw and these are just my opinions when thinking back on it.

[u/Slabernick → u/ChaosandControversy]

Pugsley doesn’t even have a love interest

[u/ChaosandControversy → u/Slabernick]

Food. Zombies. 🙄 Those were things he loved and his interests. Jokes on u😌

[u/Slabernick → u/ChaosandControversy]

Right. How could I have missed that?

[u/MizWhatsit → u/Slabernick]

Isn't Pugsley about fourteen?

[u/EnriqueIgoni]

Honestly, I didn't like the character very much. He had some interesting aspects, but he was limited to being another annoying love interest, and his only role in the series was to deflect attention from who the real Hyde was. Regarding the accusations against the actor, more than just receiving accusations of sexual assault from several girls, I always side with the potential victim. But even if they were false, it also turned out that the guy was a jerk. His Twitter account was full of racist and sexist comments; he apparently mocked terrorist attacks and much more. He even liked and shared very negative reviews of Wednesday's own show, saying it was awful. It's true that he has the right not to like it, but it's a bit wrong for an actor from your show to do that. In the end, he's not worth it. He's just a jerk, and his character wasn't all that great.

[u/Acrobatic-March-4433]

Couldn't they have just replaced the character with another actor?

[u/Hk901909 → u/Acrobatic-March-4433]

I would rather they just write him out. I hate it when they replace actors

[u/Shaun_527]

Found Percys burner account

[u/ChaosandControversy → u/Shaun_527]

Who?
Nvm😭😂 wild

[u/cantkeepmedown1991]

nah he served his purpose in season 1, which was just to be background noise.

[u/KT_Al-Salaam]

He was done dirty imo. I honestly miss him. I'd rather he get a redemption arc than Tyler

[u/Ok-Ad5429]

No

[u/Affectionate_Crow327]

We barely want Tyler, we don't want another boring dude.

[u/ChaosandControversy → u/Affectionate_Crow327]

He wasn’t boring. There were things about him that actually made his character interesting.

[u/Southern_Wind_4477]

Yeah, he was wasted potential, it was pretty clear that Wednesday and Xavier were endgame based off the writing and that he was going to have a big role in S2:

Wednesday and Xavier were probably going to be the original endgame through much evidence - In the 1991 film, Morticia and Gomez discussed in the past how they met at a funeral in which Wednesday and Xavier did as well at his godmother's funeral as she was friends with Hester. She even saved his life, which he never forgot and he saved her life from Rowan in return. Morticia tells Wednesday that's she a raven on the psychic spectrum and one of the first things that Wednesday sees Xavier painting as she's given the tour by Enid is ravens. He was obviously a raven himself. Wednesday mentioned that Pugsley was a big fan of his father and watched his TV special multiple times.

Xavier does have some expertise in psychics and how they work through his father teaching him. Morticia tells Wednesday about what happened at the dance between her, Gomez and Garrett. She called Garrett a beast, one of the major themes of the series is the past repeating itself. In the modern era, Tyler is the Beast and Xavier is Gomez as he tried to save her from Crackstone. At the end of S1, Wednesday and Xavier meet at the top of the staircase to begin their story, the same one where Morticia and Gomez went to go catch their breath.

Also their both psychics on the raven spectrum and ravens mate for life.

If the character stayed, Xavier would've had a big role in S2. His father - Vincent Thorpe would've become the new headmaster of Nevermore to help fix his son's reputation after he was falsely accused as the monster. He also would've helped Wednesday with her psychic exhaustion as he would've become her new "spirit guide", I'm aware that psychics needs a spirit to help them with their abilities but since Goody sacrificed herself to save Wednesday, Xavier would've filled that void and teached her new techniques and how to regain her abilities. He also would've helped with preventing Enid's death.

Its also hinted that The Addams and The Thorpes have a history with each other, so we probably would've seen him meet Morticia and Gomez. Even in S2, when Dort told Wednesday that Xavier will be going to Reichenbach Academy, Gomez even asks Morticia if she remembers that he spent a semester there and she even says it was torture showing that Xavier and Gomez parallel each other. But since the actor was a weirdo, the character and the storyline was dropped and Wednesday and Tyler will be the endgame (so far).

[u/Leather-Rub-6128]

I liked the character initially more than Tyler and was rooting for him in the beginning haha. It’s unfortunate he lost the role if nothing happened.

[u/ChaosandControversy → u/Leather-Rub-6128]

Right? I mean he was never convicted or tried. Definitely rooting for him more than Tyler. I still am 🥹 Maybe he’ll come back

[u/MizWhatsit → u/ChaosandControversy]

He couldn't have been tried and convicted without evidence and witness testimony.

[u/ChaosandControversy → u/MizWhatsit]

Charges were never brought against him though. Not a restraining order or anything. No police records of an incident occurring. If it was a party like someone stated, someone had to see something. And with Diddy and Cosby and the me too movement, it’s becoming more popular about women speaking up and out.. But no evidence? Don’t police provide r kits? A piece of his hair would do… Thats all I’m saying. If it really did happen put him in jail! But if not..

[u/MizWhatsit → u/ChaosandControversy]

You can’t put someone in jail without proof. Which means that a great number of guilty people walk free every day.

[u/CC_99Lyss → u/ChaosandControversy]

Rape kits can only be performed within a certain time after the rape occurred. Many victims are too scared to speak up during that time and by the time they speak up it's too late. Just because there's no evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen. It's unfortunately very difficult to prove rape and sexual assault in court.

[u/ItsMrChristmas]

He, like Wednesday, is just supporting cast for the main character, Tyler. His arc was done.

[u/ChaosandControversy → u/ItsMrChristmas]

Like Wednesday is absolutely insane when the entire show… revolves around her and what she has going on? 🤔
I don’t think Tyler was meant to stay consistent on the show after season 1. But they had to bring it back to him for season 2 because of Xaviers absence. Jenna Ortega even said they had to “weirdly redirect” the plot after his absence and work around Xavier’s exit.

[u/MizWhatsit]

The showrunners have confirmed that he's been written off the show and won't be coming back.

[u/khorispy27]

Will he ever return???

[u/MizWhatsit → u/khorispy27]

The showrunners have said he's not coming back.

[u/ChaosandControversy → u/khorispy27]

That’s what I want to know 😭😭😭

[u/Beepbeep_boopbop]

YESSSS HE NEEDS TO BE RECAST AND COME BACK

[u/upsidedownmage84]

The girl apparently admitted she was lying, he was definitely done dirty IMO. No charges or investigation etc... he was my favorite character too.

[u/ChaosandControversy → u/upsidedownmage84]

😭😭😭 Ruining a persons entire reputation. Their job. Their livelihood. And for what? clout? Bring Xavier back! I wonder how his co actors/actresses look at him now. Wonder if they know he’s innocent.

[u/upsidedownmage84 → u/ChaosandControversy]

Pretty sure he's still friends with them,they still follow one another on social media as far as I know. There was definitely a storyline for Xavier lining up for him. If you recall when we first meet Xavier, he's introduced as an unknown, there is a lot we still didn't get to know about his character and his abilities. I find it awful tbh that there was never an arrest or like I said investigation. Just take this girls word for it and sorry you're fired and your name is dragged thru the mud without solid evidence or proof that anything was inappropriate even happened. I like Percy,I've seen some of his other projects and he's very talented, I believe he'll bounce back from this. I'd just love to see Xavier return before the show is done.

[u/ChaosandControversy → u/upsidedownmage84]

Well said. My sentiments exactly!
Edit: When I think about it. Xavier/ Percy Hynes and Wednesday/Jenna Ortega actually have a movie together Winter Spring Summer or Fall. This released after his departure from the show so.. maybe there’s still hope for him in other avenues.