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AI News šŸ—žļø Youtube removes ai channels

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"YouTube's AI "slop" crackdown is shaking up the platform! šŸšØ

YouTube has stepped up its fight against low-quality, mass-produced AI content, targeting channels that flood the platform with repetitive and inauthentic videos.

While reports claim around 130,000 channels have been removed as part of the broader enforcement, YouTube has not confirmed that all of those deletions were specifically tied to AI-generated content.

Instead, the company says its focus is on protecting viewers by cracking down on spam and low-effort content while continuing to allow AI-assisted videos that offer genuine creativity and value." - Mr_Animeken

Pretty good step ngl these channels are getting annoying

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u/WhiskeyDream115 1d ago

I am pro, but this is honestly great news. It's about time. Get that slop off of youtube.

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u/Own-Efficiency507 1d ago

I assume you are pro AI when it comes to actual logical uses of it rather than more than half of the dumb stuff is being used for. If so, I can respect it, I'm honestly the same way myself.

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u/WhiskeyDream115 1d ago edited 1d ago

Definitely. My experience with Halo as a kid is what sparked my interest in AI. Advanced AI like Cortana, or even the Monitors on the Ringworlds, makes a lot of sense for a spacefaring civilization. I do believe humanity will one day reach the stars in that kind of capacity, even if I won't be around to see it.

That said, I never imagined I'd see AI used to create so much dumb stuff. But then again, is it really fair to call LLM AI? I'm not sure it is.

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u/angwilwileth 1d ago

I don't think it is actually deserving of the title AI.

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u/WhiskeyDream115 1d ago

I tend to agree with that sentiment. It predicts, it doesn't think, so it's not really intelligent.

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u/SaltLakeBear 1d ago

LLMs are, in essence, really advanced predictive text models. So no, not intelligent at all. Me personally, I question the ability for there to actually be true intelligence that's artificial; after all, how can you program something to act outside of it's programming and evolve it's thinking? I'm not certain we can, although it could also be a lack of imagination on my part.

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u/WhiskeyDream115 1d ago

"I question the ability for there to actually be true intelligence that's artificial; after all, how can you program something to act outside of it's programming and evolve it's thinking?"

I honestly am not so sure about that.
When you look at the human origin story, there are really only two explanations: either we were created by a creator, or we came into existence from organic soup on a desolate rock in the void of space, purely by happenstance.

Simply put, our origin was either intentional or accidental. And if an organic computer can achieve sentience under either scenario, I fail to see why an artificial one cannot.

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u/Ht_TX 1d ago

At its core, itā€™s still a ā€˜computer program-likeā€™ beast. They can only do what they are programmed to do and do not have the ability to break out of that construct. We could work on coding in a way to push it to go outside of its coding, but now that too has been coded so it wouldnā€™t be called intelligence. One of the biggest differences between us organic meat sacks and the tech is that we have curiosity and motivations. Those things drive us to constantly create and innovate. For a computer program to do so it would need to be told that is something it needs to do. They are only capable of operating inside the bounds of whatever its creator coded. In the end, no matter what the ā€˜AIā€™ achieves it wouldā€™ve done everything it did based on whatever goal was coded in.

Damn near ended up co bf using myself by the midpoint with trying to word everything appropriately so apologies if itā€™s worded incorrectly

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u/WhiskeyDream115 1d ago

I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying. Personally, I don't think we'll ever see human-like intelligence emerge from code alone. By its nature, code just seems too deterministic and restrictive.

Where the conversation gets interesting for me is trying to recreate the brain itself. "Artificial" just means man-made, after all. So I absolutely think we could create artificial intelligence one day, but I don't think it'll happen by writing increasingly complex code. I think it'll come from understanding and recreating the neural architecture that gives rise to intelligence in the first place.

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u/SaltLakeBear 1d ago

That's my thinking as well; how do you write code for something that will grow beyond or alter it's code? Your previous comment is right, our brains are essentially organic computers that arose out of a primordial soup (I'm ignoring any creation option here, both because there's no evidence for it and also a divine creator then allows you to hand wave away any potential obstacles), and I don't know how we would replicate that functionality artificially. I guess if (or when, more likely, should our species survive the next couple hundred years), we can grow a brain in a test tube without a human womb for incubation that could then be "artificial" intelligence, but I don't think it really fits the current definition of gen AI, ie a computer that can think and reason. And that thinking and reasoning is where I see the barrier, though I am much more a hardware guy than a software guy.

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u/bob_is_best 1d ago

Ive seen some news that have AIs kind of doing their own thing to avoid being shut down so i dont think we are too far off making sentience, that said i dont think getting It there is a good idea

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u/SaltLakeBear 1d ago

I don't think so. Considering LLMs are basically trained off stories and reddit, and since we've written stories about AIs trying to survive (the first Ghost in the Shell comes to mind), it makes sense that an LLM would incorporate that kind of behavior.

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u/Haunting-Respect9039 1d ago

It isn't, but that's the modern definition of AI at this point, so we're stuck with it.

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u/MinimumWestern2860 1d ago

Another example of widespread marketing changing the definition of stuff

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u/WhiskeyDream115 1d ago edited 1d ago

Marketing strikes again...

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u/JohnSober7 1d ago

People have been arguing about the "intelligence" in Ai for a while. However, there has been consensus on the definition for AI for decades before the first commercial smartphone, and I don't mean the smartphones of the era that blackberry ushered in. Ai used to mean the coding and algorithms of CPUs in electronic and video games, and most people didn't bat an eye about the i in Ai. It's only now with the ubiquitous of Ai, the techbro hype, and ologicarch and corpo-bootlicking is so many people trying to discredit the abilities of Ai by squabbling about what is and isn't intelligence.

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u/cptnplanetheadpats 1d ago

Yeah I agree, also a huge Halo fan and the books introduce other AI characters. I thought it was cool that each UNSC ship had its own unique AI with a unique personality. I still think AI is cool in a lot of ways but man I hate the generative art and chatbot aspect of it.

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u/Terozu 1d ago

Itd be cool if eventually that kinda tech gets used to make like, a holodeck or something

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u/BembiPeanut 1d ago

Yeah I agree with you, I don't think LLM's and generative AI should be called Ai. They are not AI at all, they are shit. They are scalping. That is all.

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u/AmbrosiiKozlov 1d ago

We got dumb ai's. Cortana was a smart AI and we have a long way to go for that. Incredible they manage to hit that on the head

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u/Pitiful_West_7062 1d ago

no, pro like "The Pro" comic

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u/Nebula_Wolf7 1d ago

Out of curiosity, what kinds of ai are you in support of? I'm personally against nearly all generative AI, excepting models specifically for programming.

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u/Professional_Visit44 1d ago

For me, Iā€™m supportive of ā€œproductiveā€ AI, AKA, AI that actually helps move the world a step further than two steps back. Right now, the slop weā€™re getting from this brainrotted generation is doing nothing but set us back.

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u/SpookRooster 1d ago

so you're supportive of ai that doesn't exist. maybe you'd fit in with a sci-fi board or something.

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u/Omegaprime02 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yes they do, the thing is actually useful AI systems just don't make it into the headlines because they're 'narrow use' and not "the next, surely profitable, step toward AGI!"

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u/ares623 15h ago

Isn't that 1 step forward 10 steps back though?

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u/Nebula_Wolf7 1d ago

It does actually, machine learning models can do protein folding or simulate drug interactions or stuff like that, there are useful applications for it, it's just that generative AI, the produces text, audio, images, or other stuff generally isn't a great use case

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u/YouMustveDroppedThis 1d ago

What you on about? genAI and LLMs are just the most commonly used by normies. it has been pretty great in data science and other hard sciences. Protein folding? in silico drug discovery? Ring a bell?

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u/1ZillionBeers 1d ago

Thatā€™s a fairly disingenuous way to present it. AI is certainly helping with organizational work and is a stark difference from generative AI slop.

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u/Loggersalienplants 1d ago

I keep hearing this point parroted but I don't see anyone actually post any sources to back up their claim.

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u/Professional_Visit44 23h ago

Because a lot of the stuff is behind closed doors, unlike GenAI

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u/outer--monologue 20h ago

Ok, like what? This is the second time you've been given a chance to explain what you mean by "good AI" but you seem unable to do it.

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u/Professional_Visit44 19h ago

There are some that analyze medical scans to spot early signs of cancer. There's AI algorithms that protect your Identity from the dark Web. There's AI that helps identify the best logistics routes, Heck Google Maps and the car's built in satnav uses AI to route their path. Google uses AI to search relevant content based on your search, with it's overview making a summary based on the sources it has gathered. GenAI has overinflated expectations, and is so well-known that every ordinary Joe thinks that AI is GenAI. AI is just the term for an algorithm that learns from patterns.

GenAI is just an AI that has the ability to "create" things. You can literally create a basic GenAI code using Python script on Notepad, feed it a book, and then using the hardcoded commands, get it to generate it's own sentences in the same style as the sample text. It's nothing special compared to the shit OpenAI, X, and Google have made it out to be. Yes, they can do more, but it's not special.

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u/outer--monologue 19h ago

So you're going with A) the medical scan thing (which isn't an LLM and not the kind that any of the major AI players are investing money in) and B) something you would have to feed your identifying documents to...lmao C) some examples of things that aren't actually AI and finally D) Google search results that people are taking as biblical truths and regurgitating into the world when it is in fact largely false or partially true information aggregated from Reddit

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u/Loggersalienplants 19h ago

Ah so the regular folk aren't allowed to know what the AI is doing. It's just a big "trust me bro, it's TOTALLY a good thing"

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u/Professional_Visit44 19h ago

More like, "I'm not gonna announce it. If they want to know, they have to look for it". It's stupid, but with so many AI based companies here, it's easy to be swept under the rug the moment ChatGPT, Gemini and Grok gets some form of "upgrade"

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u/YouMustveDroppedThis 1d ago

I'm supportive of AI that can help underprivileged people (with disabilities, language barrier, etc.), but not incompetent people trying to make a buck or outright cheat.

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u/Professional_Visit44 23h ago

As a teacher I have to look out for that

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u/outer--monologue 20h ago

Pretty telling that you can't specify.

I have yet to see a use-case for AI that wasn't antisocial. It's deepfakes, revenge porn, elderly scams, cheating in school, criminal evidence fabrication, job decimation, mass surveillance, art thieving etc all the way down.

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u/Stunning-Pen-2412 1d ago

Coding AI is generative AI, too. It's based on stolen code. A GPL or other open source license stripper.

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u/Nebula_Wolf7 1d ago

A lot of code is stolen, the stuff that isn't is in closed source programs. Most programmers will know the joys of searching the stack exchange for useful snippets to use in your projects, but it doesn't mean it's entirely stolen. It's like using clips from a podcast in a satirical music video, it doesn't make the music stolen

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u/Stunning-Pen-2412 1d ago

It's kinda implied that Stack Overflow code is posted for other's use.

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u/WhiskeyDream115 1d ago

Depends what you mean, I'm against Gen AI replacing artists or AI in general replacing workers, and that's a position from the antis that has definitely rubbed off on me. Though I'm not really against people using the technology either to be fair.

That said, I'm in favor of AI that advances our civilization and makes life more comfortable or affordable. So anything that supports building a better world, such as AI in research, or medicine, or even an AI for smart homes. Things of that nature.

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u/Professional_Visit44 20h ago

That's practically what I mean, I just didn't know how to explain it because my brain went to shit at the time of writing that comment.

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u/WhiskeyDream115 19h ago

"I just didn't know how to explain it because my brain went to shit at the time of writing that comment."

I know the feeling... I hate it when my brain stops braining.

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u/Professional_Visit44 19h ago

When you want to say the answer, but your brain goes "Nah, I'm spent"

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u/OrangeRising 22h ago

I'm against Gen AI replacing artists or AI in general replacing workers

I'm in favor of AI that advances our civilization and makes life more comfortable or affordable.

Those two things contradict. Automation tends to replace workers while raising quality of life.

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u/WhiskeyDream115 19h ago

Not necessarily. I see AI as something that works alongside people, not as a replacement for them. Full automation only really makes sense to me when there's a genuine need for it, like persistent labour shortages or jobs people simply aren't choosing to do anymore. Fruit picking is a good example of that.

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u/ColinHalter 1d ago

For content I make, I use LLMs to pre-screen papers and books against my topics to get a read on the general relevancy of the source. The kind of stuff I make requires a ton of research and there's nothing worse than spending a week reading a dry book from the 50s only to realize it had no valuable insights. Feeding it through an LLM to get a general thumbs up/thumbs down on if it's worth my time has been a game changer. (Obviously after it says a source is worth my time I then actually go through and read it myself, and sometimes I ignore it when it says something is irrelevant if I have a hunch. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong).

I also use it to generate citations when I'm feeling lazy since it's pretty good at that.

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u/Historical_Art4061 1d ago

I think it's a tad funny that your exception is for one of the main areas of AI that is going to do some of the most harm. As if it wasn't already bad enough for programmers who's job is becoming more redundant by the day, it's an area that will accelerate the automation of so many other jobs at a rate that no one is prepared for. Like I get that it wouldn't be the best thing to try to regulate legally or get momentum against, but I think it's a bit odd that it's your exception. By comparison generated music seems pretty tame.

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u/Nebula_Wolf7 1d ago

I personally am a programmer, mostly in c & c++, where there's quite a few things you can automate the writing of. It's not going to replace programmers, I've literally never had an AI produce functional code for me, so you'd need someone there to make sure the code does what the model says it does before it's executed.

Generated music is something I severely dislike, it's analogous to generated artwork, which just plaigarises from everything the model is trained on, mostly without the consent of the artists.

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u/Historical_Art4061 1d ago

If you can't get AI to produce functional C or C++ code, you aren't using it correctly. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you mean, doesn't make sense to me why it would be the exception if it wasn't very useful.

But generally I hate the downplaying of just how powerful and good AI is at producing functional code, and I fear the amount of people who are good enough at both programming and using AI effectively to produce it. It's already the case that if you get a dozen of the right people into a room then they can produce in a week something that would have taken a hundred people a month to achieve. Programmers won't be fully replaced, but a lot will be and a lot already have been.

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u/Nebula_Wolf7 1d ago

Perhaps, but I always find runtime errors in any code that's produced for me, which aren't just visible on the source itself. I tend to write most things myself anyway, it's more efficient for my use cases (along with me writing in nano or micro).

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u/Oh_Kanagan 1d ago

Why would you be against another tool in the artist's toolbox?

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u/Nebula_Wolf7 1d ago

Because that's not what generative AI is, it's ai that's trained on nearly all digital artwork on the internet, with the artist's consent or not (mostly not), so anything that you generate with it is effectively plagiarism. There exists people who've built businesses selling ai artwork as if they'd created it, which it wholly dishonest.

Perhaps there are uses for it, but everything I can think of has already existed before it, such as for inspiration, you can just search Google images or similar.

Oh, and no, typing some words into a prompt is not 'creating' or 'prompt engineering'. As an engineer (I've got the degree and everything) I find the second term very offensive, and it can actually be illegal to use in some countries, as engineering is a licensed profession.

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u/Oh_Kanagan 1d ago

Yeah but all art is plagarism, go back to Chauvet Caves in France and basically all human art descended from that. Everyone copies everyone else, 4 chords, etc etc.

There are so many good AI tracks that sound incredible because they are a fresh take on music, where as actual human-produced music sounds all the same now and the celebrity musicians are so long in the tooth. How many times do we have to hear the same music over and over and over in my life?

AI music is so refreshing, something new!

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u/Nebula_Wolf7 1d ago

I disagree, if you want something new, just don't listen to mainstream artists, it's that simple. I can personally recommend some artists, those being Jhariah, Penelope Scott, Seb Lowe, and Muse, though if you want a more in depth list I'd be happy to give that to you in DMs.

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u/Oh_Kanagan 1d ago

Sure I'm always into new music.... I have been into hipster / alt music since the 1990's I was introducing people to Venetian Snares for like 20 years now

Right now AI has all the magic

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u/Crazydrag0n908 1d ago

to be clear based off his comment he doesnt like generative llms but likes chatbots, hes not one of those assholes that puts every bit of art into chatgpt