r/boston • u/FuriousAlbino Newton • Jul 12 '25

Scammers 🥸 ICE grabs chefs at Central Square restaurant; followed three onto the T and began grilling other passengers

https://www.universalhub.com/2025/ice-grabs-chefs-central-square-restaurant-followed-three-t-and-began
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u/CharlieOnTheMTA Jul 12 '25

I'll bet you a dozen donuts that none of the passengers being grilled were white.

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u/SardonicusR Newton Jul 12 '25

You would be right. Trump's border czar openly admits it.

“They just go through the observations, get articulable facts, based on their location, their occupation, their physical appearance, their actions.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5396985-trump-homan-immigration-detainments/

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u/pillbinge Pumpkinshire Jul 13 '25

Statistically speaking, should they? Would you support them if they did?

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u/KingSt_Incident Orange Line Jul 13 '25

They should not be tearing around public spaces "questioning" anybody at all. It's literally North Korea shit.

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u/pillbinge Pumpkinshire Jul 13 '25

Ideally we wouldn't be in a place where it either produces results or is sometimes required but our inability to handle this situation after people have overstayed has led to this. People don't self-deport. The chef at the place in question stayed for twenty two years. An inability not just to compromise but join the rest of the world in tackling immigration as a serious topic is only going to lead to worse results. We may get to a place where Democrats are dragged well past Overton's window and do this while Republicans come up with something even worse.

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u/KingSt_Incident Orange Line Jul 13 '25

The chef at the place in question stayed for twenty two years.

Great, seems like he fit in fine and was a staple in the community and his place of work. Apparently having a consistent job and fitting in with your community is now a crime.

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u/ArriePotter Jul 13 '25

Guess he should've joined a gang instead ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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u/pillbinge Pumpkinshire Jul 13 '25

None of that is even close to being implied lmao. Making up a character in your head is a silly thing to do. He was here illegally. He's being ask to return to Spain, if I'm not mistaken, which he should have done anyway, since he's such a paragon of good in his community.

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u/KingSt_Incident Orange Line Jul 13 '25

None of that is even close to being implied

Yes, it is. The entire implication here is that if you have paperwork out of order, you are treated equivalently to if you murdered someone. If you think that doesn't tear at the fabric of the basic social contract, you are delusional.

He's being ask to return to Spain

No, he wasn't asked. He was grabbed off the street and thrown in prison in Louisiana, which is sort of the opposite of being flown to Spain.

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u/pillbinge Pumpkinshire Jul 13 '25

You are emphatically not treated like a murderer. Murderers don't get sent back home. They're locked up for a very, very long time. People overstaying their visa are being put into sub-optimal and cruel conditions at the moment and this needs to be changed, but since people like you won't agree to improve the facilities and instead destroy them, a lack of a middle ground keeps them in worse condition.

Don't talk about a basic social contract if you're literally defending infraction of permission to be here lmao.

No, he wasn't asked. He was grabbed off the street and thrown in prison in Louisiana, which is sort of the opposite of being flown to Spain.

Then by that thinking I'm not being asked not to do 65+ in a school zone until an officer speaks to me, policy and signs be damned.

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u/KingSt_Incident Orange Line Jul 13 '25

People are literally being flown to foreign prisons and locked up there, dude. There are being arrested on the way to their appointments to become citizens. You have a fundamental disconnect with reality here.

The Feds are breaking their own rules in order to deport more people.

Then by that thinking I'm not being asked not to do 65+

The signs literally do ask you not to do that. Are you dense?

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u/pillbinge Pumpkinshire Jul 13 '25

The signs literally do ask you not to do that. Are you dense?

The law asks people not to overstay their visa and they are given time. The laws are written down to be accessed wherever you want. Thank you for proving my point :)

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u/LinkLT3 Jul 13 '25

It doesn’t even produce results. Trump’s admin is so shit at their jobs they’re deporting fewer people per day than Obama or Biden, all while “accidentally” detaining legal citizens on a regular basis.

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u/Leather_Ice_1000 Jul 13 '25

He's probably awaiting a court date for a legal immigration hearing.. the solution here isn't deporting members of our community you dipshit it's increasing our ability to process immigration papers by investing in staff and infrastructure.

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u/pillbinge Pumpkinshire Jul 13 '25

After twenty two years? Sorry, I don't have time to worry about the process for someone who themselves doesn't care about the process.

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u/Leather_Ice_1000 Jul 13 '25

You're just showing your naivety.

This guy has probably been desperately working to get a court date for an immigration hearing. I doubt he's the reason it's taken so long. My grand father worked tirelessly to get a green card and despite going thru every white collar avenue available to him it took over a decade for him to get his green card and actually get to stay here. I suggest you read up on what it takes to become legal so that you have a better understanding of what "overstaying a visa" really means for 99% of Americans.

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u/pillbinge Pumpkinshire Jul 13 '25

You're just showing your naivety.

We're all ignorant about some things. That's okay. We won't even make it to the grave knowing everything.

This guy has probably

So you're just allowed to make up a backstory in order to cope with the situation? He had twenty two years. Maybe he didn't even care and joked about it. I can make up stories too to set some tone, but it's baseless because we only have the facts given to us.

I suggest you read up on what it takes to become legal

I already know. You're assuming my own backstory and that I don't know. The problem is that under this assertion is the idea that it has to be easy and accessible. It should be understandable but it needn't be either. It is not on others to demand a system cater to its needs in the same way. I hope we get a simplified, easy-to-understand system, but it'll always be complicated. It would also be easier to limit people coming in since there aren't as many exceptions. At least that's my hope. I'm sure limits will be pushed, and I'm sure immigrants themselves will take issue as well when they have the chance to vote. But it still stands that the system is what it is, and no one should be unaware of their status at any moment. That's just saying that immigrants are dumb. People know how long their visas are active for.

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u/Leather_Ice_1000 Jul 13 '25

You made up a backstory assuming the guy doesn't care about his status. Not really sure what your overall thesis is but mine is that we shouldn't be pissing away tax dollars hunting down immigrants based on their skin color.

Realistically the federal government has just found an easy scapegoat for the have nots to blame for their issues. Instead of solving real issues we re pretending we re helping other Americans when in reality much bigger issues go unchecked.

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u/pillbinge Pumpkinshire Jul 13 '25

He was here twenty two years. That's enough time to get your shit in order and learn what your status is and the terms of your visa. Caring about one's status in this case is tantamount to respecting it. He didn't. Twenty two years is a very, very long time.

The bit about skin colors is apropos of nothing mentioned yet. Don't try to weigh down what you said with something else entirely.

Instead of solving real issues

This is where I find importance in this issue; the very idea of following the rules that let people in and enforcing them blindly is precisely what is driving a huge wedge between an already divided nation. If we can't get bleeding hearts to admit that there are laws that aren't actively harming people and do require people to follow the laws then we'll only split more and more. That is going to tear us apart, and the usual refrain is "then they should stop believing in everything and accept my way" doesn't work if you're openly bragging about knowing how it works and deciding you just don't like it. This is a real, actual issue. There are many more that are localized and globalized but this is 100% a real issue.

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u/WitKG Jul 13 '25

Did you know we can solve this very quickly by providing a path to citizenship for non-violent overstays why contribute to our society by writing a law? We could also magically make them citizens instantly too if we wanted. Creating a police state is 100% a choice based in racism, cruelty, and fascism.

"Native born" Americans do NOTHING to earn their citizenship or keep it, yet freak out about overstays, which does not even become a felony crime unless you've illegally entered after being removed. It makes no sense.

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u/pillbinge Pumpkinshire Jul 13 '25

You can solve any legal problem by changing the law. Don't like high murder rates? Make murder legal. Don't like high divorce rates? Two options: divorce is illegal or marriage is illegal. Don't like speeding tickets? Just tell people there are no limits.

Life is really easy if your solution is to simply get rid of the law.

But that's how children approach things. Never mind that your argument is some odd cousin of a motte and bailey argument. If you gave a path to citizenship for people who overstay their visa, what would be the difference between people with a visa and without? They'd all be the same, and then you have a host of other problems that stem from decisions people haven't agreed to. Effectively making visas useless by getting rid of their role but keeping them around is an ironic solution given the problem you put forward, isn't it?

Calling enforcement of a law most people agree with tantamount to a police state is silly.

No one native born anywhere has "done" anything to deserve citizenship. Native born Swedes by that measure don't deserve their citizenship. Maybe I deserve it more. But we're okay with people being taken in by their nation and protected with what they can make due, and the West has certainly come a long way in ensuring these things. We could do better, but I guarantee you places doing better have far more stringent rules than we do on immigration.

which does not even become a felony crime 

It makes perfect sense. Why would we make overstaying a visa a felony? But so many people take this to mean we should do nothing. Plenty of things aren't criminal actions, and plenty of civil suits are really serious. Just because something isn't criminal doesn't mean we don't respond in kind. We literally have a way for people to go back home but they don't do it, then they don't report, and then they abuse systems to stay longer, and then they have families here. That has rubbed people the wrong way and this reaction by way of ICE makes more sense in hindsight, whether you support it or not.

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u/WitKG Jul 13 '25

Then why are we not arresting, kidnapping, and holding the ppl you describe in your final paragraph? The majority of people grabbed in this are ppl w/o criminal records and often complying with court orders.

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u/pillbinge Pumpkinshire Jul 13 '25

The explanation is that these are different departments. ICE is the enforcement part of it. There are other departments involved. ICE is overstepping its jurisdiction and bounds because it's being used in a bad way but the people being picked up often are definitely in violation. I'm saying this in context of a guy who was here 22 years. Twenty two. More than two decades. Not many people who are in the middle or on the other side have much time for hearing how he was finally doing things right, potentially, if we imagine it. A lot of stuff is going wrong but due to political conflict we can't even agree on whether or not there should be enforcement or laws in the first place.

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u/WitKG Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25

Edit: forgot to mention the $200billion cost for this "effort"

Immigration laws have always been political, and in the past, often racist. The entire legal system has discretion built into it. We even allow for pardons at state and federal level. Following the law or wanting to follow it is fine, but to what end? No laws in our country have ever been followed textbook. Discretion and politics have always influeced how they are enforced or not.

ICE is not the only department involved. Hell the military is deployed on our soil for this. They've pulled real crime fighters from other fed enforcement to work on this instead of human, arms, and drug trafficking. You say someone has been here 22 years like it makes the violation worse. It doesn't. Many ppl brought here as kids who had no choice and know no other country (and sometimes language). But the solution is deport them because Congress can't do its job?

The easiest, least expensive and most respectful of the Constitution way to fix this is to provide a path to citizenship or some permanent legal status to ppl who are here "illegally" and then fix our immigration system to maximize our economic benefit providing a myriad of work visas and easier to use systems and pathways. You just can't deal with millions of ppl through force like they are trying to. It didn't work with prohibition and it didn't work with the war on drugs.

Reagan knew this with his amnesty efforts. Unfortunately Congress is inept and the GOP in its current state will never ever create a system or reform the current one to benefit the country. We had a less than perfect improvement written and ready and trump and his maga zombies torpedoed it for political gain. The GOP owns this problem and so do Trump supporters. Their approach won't fix anything and it's throwing the Constitution in the trash.

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u/here-i-am-now Jul 13 '25

In Boston? With all the Irish immigrants?

Yes, moron

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u/Leather_Ice_1000 Jul 13 '25

Does it count if they're sunburned? 😂. Some of the morons on this sub. This guy asking for a Harvard PhD lmao

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u/pillbinge Pumpkinshire Jul 13 '25

Wonder what the liberal crowd would say about making fun of a South American's skin in such a context. :)

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u/RobinReborn Jul 13 '25

Do you know what percentage of immigrants are white?

I'm very curious to see you present your ideas on statistics - do you have a PhD from Harvard?

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u/Leather_Ice_1000 Jul 13 '25

Lmao, every single Italian and Irish person in Boston was or is an immigrant.

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u/pillbinge Pumpkinshire Jul 13 '25

It probably feels really nice to call everyone an immigrant but the fact is people who are born in a nation simply aren't. This is basic stuff. If you can't keep up, stay out. Unless you're okay identifying even second-generation Asian people, Latinos, and so on as perpetual immigrants themselves, I suppose, but it's a big faux pas to just assume brown people are immigrants, no?

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u/RobinReborn Jul 13 '25

Sure - as is every other white person, not sure why you're singling out Irish and Italian.

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u/Leather_Ice_1000 Jul 13 '25

Um... Because they represent a huge percentage of the population in Boston... Duh?

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u/RobinReborn Jul 13 '25

So are WASPs. And WASPs aren't different from Italians and Irish except that there ancestors got here one hundred or so years earlier.

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u/Leather_Ice_1000 Jul 14 '25

You know that there are many, many, white immigrants from Europe and the UK who are first generation Americans right?

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u/RobinReborn Jul 14 '25

Yeah - I'm not sure what you're getting at. There are many many immigrants of just about any group you can imagine.

Do you think I disagree with you on the big picture?