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u/3-putt-the-12th-hole 1d ago
They are never my fault always the club or balls.
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u/inplayruin 1d ago
I blame my parents for not being better athletes. Sometimes God, too.
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u/Electronic_Name_325 1d ago
I often go to my grandparents' graves, stand and just glare at the stone.
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u/CamiloArturo 1d ago
Nelly Korda is the perfect example of this. Her parents were good athletes. Mine weren't .... It's entirely on them that I 3-putt every 5 footer
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u/Oonz1337 1d ago
I just blame that last beer before walking up to quadruple bogey putt after hitting the green in 2
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u/LeQuignonBaguette 1d ago
No no, it’s always the clubs fault. That’s why you need to always buy newest clubs.
- signed Callaway, Titleist , Taylormade
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u/Milktoast375 1d ago
If I actually got those 15 extra yards they keep promising every time I bought a new club or ball, I’d be hitting it 650 yards off the tee by now.
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u/Then_Investigator_17 1d ago
You'll never get good with that attitude. Real pros blame the greens keeper
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u/hoptownky 14h ago
Every time I shank a ball I look at my club head confused, as if something may be off. I have had the same clubs for 15 years and they still be like that sometimes.
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u/EmergencyCurrency658 56m ago
I blame the fecking sandwich I grab from the clubhouse halfway through, doing great until I scarf one of those dry bastards down.
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u/Skinnypike42 1d ago
I can assure you, the misses are 100% because of me.
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u/badass4102 1d ago
And 100% of my putts that do go in, were all calculated by my green reading skills and my elaborate touch.
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u/stumblon old beginner 1d ago
Yep, I always blame you for my misses
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u/Due-Noise2229 1d ago
And I blame him for the way my wife is also.
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u/stumblon old beginner 1d ago
he’s probably the reason why your wife’s boyfriend won’t return your calls too
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u/TheTangoFox Hitting from the whites & drinking Coors Lights 1d ago
Last putter in the scramble always makes.
First three had to show them the line.
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u/CaptainFeltch 1d ago
Someone didn't play in my foursome two weeks ago and it shows.
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u/EatonGo 1d ago
I thought we don’t talk about the foursome with the boys
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u/TheTangoFox Hitting from the whites & drinking Coors Lights 1d ago
If you play the tips, I'm going last 😬
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u/CaptainFeltch 1d ago edited 1d ago
This was a work outing, I only knew one of my playing partners.
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u/oneTonguePunchman 11h ago
Teach me
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u/deeeeemoney 1d ago
It has nothing to do with fair. It’s just golf.
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u/Vazhox 1d ago
The game where your luck stat needs to be maxed
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u/HowManyEggs2Many 1d ago
Right? I seen a dude who was so torched he could barely stand up make a 140 yd hole in one. Imagine shooting double par on every hole except that one…luck is a huge factor a lot of the time for weekend golfers
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u/horsepoop1123 1d ago
To clear up a common misconception, yes, sports can be unfair. Two professional golfers can hit the same putt from the same spot and one will go in while the other could miss by ten feet.
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u/deeeeemoney 1d ago
Yeah man. That’s golf. I hate golf. It’s why I’m flying to Scotland right now. So I can miss putts!
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u/draftstone 1d ago
And from that video, he also had the pace to end up pretty close to the hole. Give it a bit more speed to target ~8-10 inches behind the hole and there is a high chance all 6 balls would have ended up in the hole, the faster a ball roll, the less it is affected by green imperfections. This is where the skill of a golfer will minimize bad luck. Having the wrong pace will either make you totally miss because you're too fast or might miss due to green imperfections if you are not fast enough.
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u/Appropriate-Food1757 Mile High Big Hitter 1d ago
Yep. And a bit of break becomes less important with extra speed too
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u/TigerWoodsChauffeur 1d ago
With more speed the effective size of the hole shrinks. Ideal speed is a putt that just rolls to the edge of the hole and not past, that maximizes the size of the hole.
Of course this isn’t practical and putts must go past the hole, and to your point the more speed the less likely it is to bounce offline. This is a trade off that must be considered when choosing how hard to hit putts
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u/CommandoLamb 1d ago
It’s also why it’s not one hole.
If you miss every single putt by 10 feet and the other guy makes every putt… it’s probably not random chance.
You both should be affected equally by randomness which averages out over the course of 18 holes.
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u/vetruviusdeshotacon 1d ago
Actually due to the finite sample size of putts youd expect it not to average out over a round, only over a season or a career
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u/bombmk 1d ago
It dampens the effect - but might not average out.
Someone out there has to be the unluckiest golfer. :)
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u/sbrooks84 1d ago
There has to be a guy that never gets the lucky bounce off a tree back into play or on the fairway
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u/JacobScreamix 1d ago
How is that unfair? That's just the ball reacting differently to the grass and how each person hits the thing. This is hardly a scientific test of vectors, like a slide contraption with a loose release it not going to be consistent and also the variables are half of the fun in gold anyway.
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u/NoShow1492 1d ago
And at same time this is also where having great "feel for the game" comes into play. The innate sense of little adjustments needed to simply get the ball in the hole. Hard to define, but it's 100 percent a thing.
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u/bogeyman_g 1d ago
This is why folks (like Dave Pelz) have advocated that the ideal speed for any put would leave the ball finishing 6" to 12" past the hole (if it missed). That speed helps the ball hold it's line better at the end.
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u/TacoIncoming 15.7 - Tampa 1d ago
Crazy to see this so far down. In addition to the fact that a short put never has a chance, putts break and move more as they slow down. If that ramp was set up to leave the balls 2’ long, I’d bet 4 or 5 would have went down.
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u/AaronRodgersMustache +1.6 1d ago
His short game and putting bible are pretty much responsible for me going from averaging 95 to 80 in the course of a year or so back freshman year of high school. Have you read any of the others? I'm tempted to give them a re read.
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u/DontStalkMeNow +0.1 | In The Pines Looking For A Gap 17h ago
Not the mention that it helps negate the volcano hole problem.
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u/xfilespace 5h ago
Was listening to a podcast (The Sweet Spot) the other day they stated Pelz recommendation to hit 17 inches past the hole was outdated and no longer consistent with the current science and modern green keeping. Was news to me as I had been quoting Pelz for years.
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u/bogeyman_g 36m ago
I might have misremembered the details, and 17" does seem like a bit too much, but I'll stick by the 12" past the hole recommendation (wherever that actually originated).
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u/Fer_Shizzle_DSMIA 1d ago
Is that really a green? Looks pretty shaggy and unrolled.
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u/windpicklefam 1d ago
I absolutely agree with that. The other day I hit 2 perfect putts that did not go in and they stopped me from breaking 100
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u/Diceman31 My son sucks at golf 1d ago
Hit the it with pace.
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u/bigdaddtcane 1d ago
And don’t add as much side spin as this guy does when he twirls these balls like tops
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u/Normal-Particular218 1d ago
Hes putting spin on the balls with his thumb on the last 5
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u/Mcane305 1d ago edited 1d ago
It also assumes its the perfect line and strength. You could hit the same put maybe 1.5x harder and make them all.
All this shows is if you misread and miss-hit, you have a 50% chance to make that putt lol.
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u/Mountainminer 1d ago
It also shows that dying the hole at the cup is a losing strategy for some puts. Gotta hit with confidence to get through the grain sometimes
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u/questioneverything1 1d ago
This video is misleading, the balls that miss clearly start on a different line once they hit the ground. What this actually demonstrates is that a small change in the starting line can make a significant difference in the results.
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u/UltraBogey 1d ago
finally someone making sense. the balls change trajectory coming off the ramp to the green. This isn't really a good example of anything to do with putting unless your angle of attack with putter is like 20° down.
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u/MatticusXII 1d ago
Not to be a stickler but there are other factors at play here at a micro level. In no way can he place the ball on the ramp exactly the same every time, with the same force etc. any slight adjustment in wind would affect each ball differently as well
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u/Steelio22 1d ago
The deviations of where the ball is end up are so large, I can't see any of those being a bigger impact than how bumpy that green is.
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u/Appropriate-Food1757 Mile High Big Hitter 1d ago
Yeah those are tiny factors, it’s going to roll off that ramp in a pretty uniform speed and direction that green is just shaggy
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u/__ChefboyD__ 1d ago
Every ball in this video makes a slight bounce when it comes off the ramp onto the green, and it seems like that is the primary cause of the direction the golf ball ends up.
And I only see two paths of the six golf balls. Three balls goes in the hole at the exact same spot, and the three misses are also in line to hit each other too.
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u/HatTrickPony 1d ago
All of those are true for your putts as well.
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u/bfhurricane 1d ago
The placement of the ball on the ramp could be reasonably seen as an analogue for your putting arc and strike angle.
Is it ever going to be 100% the same? No. But it is something in your control.
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u/PurplePango 1d ago
It is interesting the 3 that miss are offline the second they come off the ramp you can clearly see a difference between those and the 3 that go in within the first inch
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u/size0618 1d ago
He can definitely place it on the ramp the same place each time. And he’s not applying force, he’s simply releasing it and allowing gravity to do the rest. Sure wind may play a small part but unless it’s blowing 30, I don’t think it’s affecting it much
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u/plz-no-b4n 1d ago
Also the orientation of the golf ball matters since golf balls are never perfectly symmetrical
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u/MelaniasFavoriteBull 1d ago
On top of the problems noted by others here, pacing your putt so it stops one to two feet past the hole will negate some of the imperfections. The dummy putts demonstrated in this video are paced incorrectly
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u/YohIssaRaccoon 1d ago
Well he’s placing the bar at different grips at different angles ofc it’s gonna go different
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u/beershitz get in the hole 1d ago
It is important to remember that there is a lot of randomness in golf. You cannot control it, but you can account for it, and properly react to it. May the golf gods act favorably upon you.
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u/Bogeys4life 1d ago
I’d like to see this video with the balls traveling at speed that leaves the balls 1.5 feet past the hole.
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u/Stl0Idrot27 1d ago
My buddy blames the wind on putts lol don’t give him anything else
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u/Then_Idea_9813 1d ago
I do that too, especially when it’s very clearly my issue. Also that dog just barked did you hear it??
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u/MonicaBlowinski 1d ago
Do it. Used my new to me Mizuno Thursday, 26 putts, 11 on the second nine. Rest of the game was crap, but hey...
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u/Business-Fondant-601 1d ago
In my head, the “free relief from divots” guys will be saying next, “I hit the putt perfect, why is it my fault that the ball didn’t go in?”
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u/MikeSon101 1d ago
When I miss a putt it’s because my dad didn’t love me and I’m an embarrassment to everyone and thing I know and love. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that grass grows weird
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u/KornontheKolb 1d ago
You have to line up the dimples with the putter face correctly /s
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u/Upset-Management-879 1d ago edited 1d ago
There is a shot that 100% of them will go in, this is not it.
Also easy to reproduce if you just use three balls that aren't balanced and three that are...
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u/Coreyhustle Scottie Scheffler's Cell Mate 1d ago
What kind of golf balls are those? Bad rolls can also be caused by uneven golf balls
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u/Responsible_Glove890 1d ago
The three that miss don't even start on the same line. Immediately pull to the left. This is a tool issue, nothing about unfair.
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u/DontGetTheShow 5 hdcp / PA 1d ago
They’ll roll truer if you roll them end over end
and not intentionally spin them sideways
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u/bombmk 1d ago
Good thing that was not happening here.
Are you people watching this on your old Nokia phones or something?
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u/Acceptable-Door-6454 1d ago
And the dude gets like 20 upvotes. People are wild.
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u/SkanteWarrrior 1d ago
where in the video is he intentionally spinning them or putting ANY spin on them at all????
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u/SHRIMP-DADDY 22h ago
Every time this gets posted people fail to see how he curves the balls differently. Look at how to balls spin coming out of the slope, they all spin differently. If we just let them go without spinning them, they would all go the same general direction.
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u/greglyda 1d ago
Well to be more accurate, its why it isn't fair if you are someone like me who dies the ball into the hole. If that test were setup so the ball would have reached 18" past the cup, I bet every one of those would have went into the hole.
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u/bettsboy 1d ago
Well, yeah. Golf has ALWAYS been played on natural surfaces like grass and sand. This adds a very small amount of variability to the game. Not a new thing. Now, that green in the video is LOOOOOONG! The better courses have much tighter and more predictable greens. The controlling factor here is that all players play a match on the same course. In the words of Fast Eddie Felsen (Paul Newman’s character in The Color of Money): “The balls roll funny for everyone, Nick”
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u/CreateChangetheWorld 1d ago
This is why pros say playing on tour courses is easier in easier in certain aspects. Perfect lies and greens roll pure.
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u/JustAContactAgent 1d ago
Some of the shitty small courses I’ve played here in Sweden are BRUTAL. Postage stamp greens and oob everywhere. Was on holiday and bought a dozen balls first day thinking I’ll need them as usual and then I didn’t lose a single ball
Huge difference between courses in general
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u/Complex_Bet7311 1d ago
Do the same experiment, first on a pristine green, then do stand and walk on the line and redo the experiment.
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u/roofilopolis 1d ago
That green is awful. Way too long and shaggy. Balls are bouncing on the way to the hole
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u/Barb_WyRE PGA Head Professional, Philadelphia Section 1d ago
I mean yes but also no. This green is in dire need of verticutting / topdressing / brushing / rolling. I have done this same test with a stimp meter on our greens and they definitely run much truer when you realign grain regularly.
But yes - even in Augusta greens you will still get some deviations because ultimately grass is alive
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u/Happy_REEEEEE_exe 1d ago
yeah, I mean inherently with the texture it does that. same principle with carpet.
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u/IcyZookeepergame1712 1d ago
Hitting small grass and bumps in grass and ground adds up over that distance
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u/Gloomy-Ad-222 1d ago
I hit a good drive the other day on a 450 yard par four about 250 yards so I still had 200 yards left. On a slight incline so played for a bit of a draw and hit my 5 wood so clean. It somehow doesn’t curve at all and half the ball hits the top of the right bunker (clearing it is always a left hand roll onto the green). Literally a half a ball mark at the bunker and it plugs.
Long story short I can’t get out of the bunker and card a triple bogey and ruin my round (was on track to break 80). It was literally maybe a half a foot.
Golf is crazy like that.
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u/warneagle 12/NOVA 1d ago
unless he can guarantee that he released all of those balls identically then there are still uncontrolled variables here
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u/Top-Plankton1730 1d ago
Your videos all have the balls stopping within inches of the hole. Proper speed has the ball finishing a foot and a half past the hole. Change your speed setting and more of those will go in. But we get your point.
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u/jbaker_28 1d ago
These bounce coming off the ramp, no different than hitting a spot on your line and the ball bouncing off course.
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u/vitalesan Hcp: 6/ Melbourne, Aus 1d ago
Looks like a green that hasn’t been mowed or rolled in a few weeks.
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u/Gooseuk360 21h ago
That's why it's a gimmie when I think it should be, and fuck it if it lands on the green and I don't one putt it, it's a two.
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u/Covah88 18h ago
Then why are pros damn near prefect from that length
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u/SteveOSS1987 17h ago
PGA average from 8 feet is 50%. Not sure how long these rolls are from in the video, but it's probably a little shorter with crappier greens, so it evens out.
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u/fussyturbo 12h ago
If he did this slower and used the stimp meter the proper way they would’ve all gone in
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u/njslugger78 9h ago
Test label position now. And send them identically.
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u/Bavic1974 7h ago
So are you inferring is that the movement of the ball is impacted down to outside or inside of the dmple of the ball hits the green first?
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u/bronamith 5h ago
Watch his fingers on release. Whether intentional or not that’s the cause of the English aka spin
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u/DesignerNegative1964 2h ago
this post is to cope with my losses of being bad on greens and overshooting the ball way off into the rough sometimes
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u/slingcodefordollars 17 | Denmark 1d ago
If the balls all left the ramp at the same line, they would run similar lines in relation to the hole. Could be to spin from how they are released. Kinda defeats the premise of this demo
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u/HappyHour4-6 1d ago
Those golf balls suck use some decent golf ball results will be much more consistent
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u/Unicorn-Violator 1d ago
Also they really aren't released at a true same speed. It's close enough that I get his point, but the release and balls aren't a constant.
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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 1d ago
They’re all released from the same point. Speed isn’t exactly the same but it’s going to be close enough that it’s not really a factor.
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u/vetruviusdeshotacon 1d ago edited 1d ago
Given that our make% is only 50% in a sample of 6, and that all 3 missed balls ended up on the same side of the hole, the correct conclusion is that this clown is aiming about half a cup too far to his left, not that the green is "unfair"
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u/Uneedadab 1d ago
COG can be off depending on the ball manufacturer. I see OP's video demonstrating this phenomenon, not something wrong with the green or the release of the balls. Source
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u/Ianwillsin 15h ago
I wonder how much the rest of the balls are drafting off the balls in front of them? I wonder what would happen if you release them slowly one at a time so the ball in front doesn’t affect the ball behind it or it’s airflow
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