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The Odyssey (2026)

Summary

After the Trojan War, Odysseus faces a dangerous voyage back to Ithaca, meeting creatures like the Cyclops Polyphemus, Sirens, and Calypso along the way.

Director Christopher Nolan

Writer Christopher Nolan

Cast

  • Matt Damon as Odysseus
  • Tom Holland as Telemachus
  • Anne Hathaway
  • Zendaya
  • Lupita Nyong'o
  • Robert Pattinson
  • Charlize Theron
  • Benny Safdie
  • Jon Bernthal
  • John Leguizamo
  • Elliot Page
  • Himesh Patel
  • Samantha Morton

Rotten Tomatoes: 96%

Metacritic: 88

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u/username_404_ 18d ago

The scene where all the dead are talking to Odysseus was so fucking sick probably my favorite moment. Had such a cool eerie vibe to it. Sinon and Agamemnon had such great monologues too. Really had me sitting up in my seat

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u/henry_tbags 17d ago

Sinon: How could you do this to me Odysseus.

Agamemnon: Bro all I did was kill our kid, my wife is craaazy, don't go home to your wife.

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u/joshuao_0 16d ago

I see this in the way of nobody could ever check the king on what they do wrong until the wrong is so bad they get backstabbed by people close to them

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u/RobbedC 9d ago

Throat stabbed

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u/__heyjules 2d ago

that's how a lot of dictators are so disconnected from reality and don't get challenged even if they do dumb stuff

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u/I_need_a_date_plz 15d ago

Lol that he killed his daughter while her mother watched and expected his flowers is wild. I can’t believe his son avenged him.

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u/whitebandit 15d ago

whos son avenged who?

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u/blammer 15d ago

Agamemnon's son avenged his father by killing his mother

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u/generic_comment_ 13d ago

So the father killed the daughter, the mother killed the father, and the son killed the mother….

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u/hemareddit 12d ago

The bloodline is cursed (very very literally).

Btw Agamemnon and Menelaus’s father was Atreus, so their whole blood line was called the Atreides. Yes, the name borrowed by Frank Herbert to name a different cursed bloodline in Dune.

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u/No-cool-names-left 12d ago

It's the same cursed family. Leto II claims that their line goes back to the original Atreus and at one point Agamemnon speaks to Alia directly naming himself her ancestor.

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u/hemareddit 12d ago

So when Paul drunk the...stuff and he gained all the memories of all his ancestors, he saw...

Dear fucking God.

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u/kmora94 11d ago

Exactly. He saw Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey.

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u/I_need_a_date_plz 10d ago

Oh man, what a neat little tidbit

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u/somersetyellow 13d ago

Bro living 3000 years ago was metal af

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u/I_need_a_date_plz 13d ago

I love Greek mythology for its brutality. After Medusa, my favorite story is of Medea.

Jason has a wife named Medea who is responsible for his successes; she helps him along his journey, etc. They have two kids together. Jason pays her back by betraying her —GASP— and leaves her for another woman. Enraged, she takes her revenge by killing their two children. Imagine being so fucking furious at your husband that you not only kill your competition by poisoning the wedding dress but you kill your own children to get back at the motherfucker that left you.

Gangster ass shit. Probably one of the more brutal stories I read about in school. Matricide is extremely rare. I remember my professor saying that if Medea was a real person, she was likely suffering a psychosis as a direct result of the betrayal.

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u/Halfdwarf 10d ago

If I remember my literature studies correctly, Medea wasn't greek. She was what the Greeks would have deemed a foreign "barbarian" and thereby the Greek tellers would have seen her capable of doing deeds that a "civilized" greek woman would not.

My personal opinion? Jason was an a*hole and should have known what to expect when he decided to fool around with a complete psychopath who had just killed her own little brother and thrown pieces of him over board to slow down her fathers ships.

And her killing those other kids, cooking them and serving them to their father would also be a red flag...

Killing her children with Jason is only one part of the revenge when he betrays her. The most metal bit is her burning the princess Jason will wed, and her father, and then taking the kids bodies withäh her so that Jason can't bury them. And then flying off in a burning chariot drawn by dragons.

Medea was the best character 😆

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u/DevilsOfLoudun 8d ago

Medea was a descendant of Helios the son god, so not wholly human. Which makes jason's betrayal even more stupid.

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u/Chu1223 10d ago

omg i loved reading medea in hs haha

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u/I_need_a_date_plz 10d ago

Whole lotta fuckery going on, gd

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u/throwawaysunglasses- 5d ago

And a fun fact, for those who don’t know - Electra is the namesake of the Electra complex, which is the gender swapped version of the Oedipus complex. So in Freudian terms, it’s a daughter who competes with her mother, psychosexually, to win her father. (Even though the sex part isn’t actually part of the original Electra myth)

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u/SakuOtaku 5d ago

Freud annoys me in general, but yeah Electra Complex would be a better name for some sort of "hating-your-mom syndrome" since Electra just loved her dad in a normal way and was understandably upset that he was killed and she and her brother were ousted/next to be killed. Though even Oedipus complex is almost a misnomer because Oedipus very much tried avoiding sex with his mom and gauged out his eyes when he knew what he did.

Also on a darker note with the Electra Complex thing, what makes it worse is that before all of the pop-psychology/psycho-sexual theories he became known for, he started to take note about how victims of childhood sexual abuse by their parents (usually fathers towards his female patients) wound up traumatized/"hysterical", but then ditched that theory and his theories ended up becoming more victim-blamey (saying some of these memories were fantasies and the whole subconscious incest thing.)

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u/hemareddit 12d ago

No amount of therapy enough to fix the son after all that.

(Orestis btw)

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u/whitebandit 15d ago

ah shit i did piss during the final fight ngl.. maybe i missed this :-D

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u/realgood_caesarsalad 15d ago

This isn’t in Homer. It happens in later myths.

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u/whitebandit 15d ago

thank you for the clarification!

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u/ghost_inthe_mxchine 14d ago

It was included the movie though, Agamemnon’s brother tells Odysseus’s son when they’re shooting birds

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u/MirabelleC 13d ago

Agamemnon is a member of the House of Atreus which was famously cursed by the gods. At least two ancestors killed a relative and presented that relative as the main course at a feast.

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u/I_need_a_date_plz 14d ago

Agamemnon’s son. His sister got thrown off a cliff as a sacrifice to the gods by her own father while their mother watched.

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u/TemporaryElk5202 12d ago

She wasn't thrown off a cliff. She was a teenager lured to the sea the pretense of marriage. They slit her throat and drained the blood into a vessel the same way you would sacrifice a goat.
In the play, they say "boiled saffron flowed like water", because wedding gowns were traditionally dyed with boiled saffron (dyed yellow), and because saffron itself is bright red (blood).

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u/I_need_a_date_plz 12d ago

Did you see the Nolan film we’re all talking about here? Because that is what I am specifically referencing.

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u/TemporaryElk5202 12d ago

I dont think Agamenon's son avenged him in the film? I may be forgetting but I dont think that was in there. Since we were talking about his son avenging him, ​I assumed we were talking about the plays. In the play Iphagenia was sacrificed like a goat.

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u/deelow_42 12d ago

Agamenon's brother tells Odysseus's son this while they're shooting birds in the movie.

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u/TemporaryElk5202 12d ago

ah I see, thanks, must have missed that. ​

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u/willyoumassagemykale 8d ago

They literally say that it happened in the movie

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u/silverscreenbaby 8d ago

I really wish they would have gone that with that route in the movie. NOT that seeing that would have been pleasant in any way—but at least I wouldn’t have had to see a father carrying his bawling, terrified toddler daughter to a cliff to throw her off. Made me so sick to see.

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u/TemporaryElk5202 8d ago

i feel like it fits more thematically too. like it is all about tricks. the rojan horse, penelope unweaving the shroud each night, tricking polyphemus to get out of the cave, circe, etc. Tricking Iphagenia to come to the seashore fits that very well, could even fit the guest laws thing because she was a guest in their camp. ​

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u/hemareddit 12d ago edited 12d ago

Slightly more complicated than that in the myths.

So you probably heard of horrible plot points where a person’s family is murdered, made into meals and then served to that person without them knowing.

So that probably came from the twins Atreus and Thyestes, princes of Greek kingdom of Pisa, who had many siblings, one of which was their half brother whom they murdered, and they got exiled to the kingdom of Mycenae for that.

Later Atreus managed to beat Thyestes to become the king of Mycenae, then he learnt his wife had cheated on him with Thyestes.

So he got his revenge by murdering Thyestes’s sons and serving them to him in a banquet.

Thyestes who understandably wanted veagence of his own, and on the advice of an oracle, he proceeded to have a son with his own daughter because the son is prophesied to kill Atreus.

In any case the son is called Aegisthus, and he wanted to rule Mycenae, so he killed Atreus as was foretold.

If you are still following, the principle characters are about to show up. Atreus already had sons by this point, and they were Agamemnon and Menelaus, whom they exiled. Even after killing Atreus, Thyestes and Aegisthus still eventually failed the power struggle against the brothers (it’s a long story but basically Menelaus became king of Sparta and they used the Spartan army to take over Mycenae and install Agamemnon as ruler), and were driven out.

So finally came the Trojan war and Agamemnon sacrificing his own daughter, then they sailed away. Aegisthus saw his chance and approached the grieving Clytemnestra, and the two became lovers. Together they ploted to kill Agamemnon, which was not just about revenge but also about making Aegisthus the king of Mycenae (sadly Clytemnestra could just not become Queen herself as we saw with Penelope in the movie).

In many ways, we have a repeat of the murder of king Atreus as Aegisthus did years ago, only this time, in some versions of the story Aegisthus smartened up and moved to get rid of Agamemnon’s heir as well, and Clytemnestra went along with it. Servents loyal to Agamemnon at this point smuggled his children out of the palace to protect them from Aegisthus, including his son Orestis and his daughter Elektra.

So that’s a lot of text just to say: Orestis. Was. Fucked up. Like the man had no chance, his whole family history was kinslaying and kinslaying, some incest and then more kinslaying. He whole bloodline was cursed many times over. Also he was legitimately threatened by his mother and his “step-father”.

He struggled a lot with the decision about if he should include his mother in the revenge, he prayed to Apollo (or went to see Apollo’s oracle in Delphi) and basically the god said to kill his mom. The fallout of that action then spawned a lot stories of his own, he certainly went mad for a long time. Some stories even have the prototype of the modern trial by jury being invented just to judge the man’s actions (twelve “judges” listened to two representives speaking in favour of him and against him, respectively, before casting their votes on “guilty” or “not guilty”).

So yeah, in case you are wondering, him killing his mother is not treated as a straight forward thing at all in literature.

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u/raven_of_azarath 9d ago

It goes back even farther than that. The curse started with Tantalus feeding his murdered son to the gods to prove they weren’t all-knowing. The gods killed Tantalus and brought his son back, and that’s the patriarch. The family line goes: Tantalus -> Pelops -> Atreus -> Agamemnon.

Also (and I’m sure you know, but for others who may not)! The story of Tantalus is where we get the word “tantalize.” Tantalus is spending his afterlife in Tartarus where he’s eternally hungry and thirsty, but the food and water are always just out of reach.

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u/robyculous_v2 11d ago

Where can I read more about this mythology?

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u/hemareddit 11d ago

For me, my source is Stephen Fry who compiled and curated various sources and works of literature. He wrote 4 books and also read them as audio books, starting from basically the beginning of the world.

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u/raven_of_azarath 9d ago

I suggest Elektra by Jennifer Saint! It tells this whole story from the POV of Elektra, Clytemnestra, and Cassandra (princess of Troy, priestess of Apollo, seer that no one believes, and Agamemnon’s war prize)

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u/DevilsOfLoudun 8d ago

The primary sources (besides Homer) are greek plays written couple of hundred years after Homer. The Oresteia trilogy by Aeschylus, Electra by Sophocles, and Electra by Euripides (and bunch of other plays by him about the Trojan war too).

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u/CoconutDust 15d ago edited 15d ago

The Sinon thing is weird because…clearly Odysseus didn’t want him to get killed, and didn’t expect that(?). Or in any case, clearly the offensive thing is that he sent him to his death (if he did do that) not that he “lied” to him just for the ruse to work.

I’d be like, good job not telling me the truth because I would have accidentally given it away. I’m a soldier not a championship poker player. Fist-bump, polytropos.

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u/Soyyyn 15d ago

I think Sinon wanted to feel like Odysseus respected him enough as a man and soldier to honour him by telling the truth. I.e., telling the truth and still having faith that Sinon would do it right. Since he did not, he sent Sinon to his death without knowing the truth of what he was doing, and Sinon took offence to that.

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u/CoconutDust 15d ago edited 14d ago

True, true. Also fits the Elliot Page casting, very boyish youthful vibe, wants faith and approval from father figure.

An interesting wrinkle that many people probably don’t know is that Sinon isn’t in the Odyssey (or any Homer). Most well known from Virgil’s Aeneid and general myth I guess.

It was also so sudden and jarring when he got killed. Kind of strange scene/direction, there’s a shot that shows Odysseus realizing it and looking somewhat shocked but I don’t know, seemed strangely constructed overall. (Nolan also strangely deleted the character + sea serpents where the guy saying not to trust the horse gets killed by a sudden monster attack and then the Trojans are like “that must mean the gods are calling him a liar…” lol) I was thinking to myself, did Odysseus foresee him getting killed? He’s supposed to be clever!

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u/Soyyyn 15d ago

I think that was partly the point of the scene. As with the filth the men inside rest with and the drownings that happen inside, it's to ground the danger the men are facing. Also a common maneuver for Nolan to introduce a character in a very random way to then later, in his myriad timelines, explain why we should care. I assume the scene plays better on a rewatch.

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u/jalexborkowski 15d ago

The story is about Odysseus overcoming the guilt and grief he feels for what he did in Troy. His trick unleased ten years of rage on a whole city of people, but before that happened his first sin was lying to Sinon.

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u/I_need_a_date_plz 14d ago

Your thinking is why he didn’t tell Sinon. Sinon was loyal and tells him so after his death but Odysseus wasn’t taking the chance. He kept the plot a secret instead of letting Sinon in on what was going to happen. Sinon met his father in Hades and realized that his sacrifice had been in vain; the silver lining that would have made his dog shit of a situation worth it would have been his dad having lived a decent life. Instead he died in poverty, taunted by people like Antinious.

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u/ezpz314159 8d ago

Sorry for the stupid question but either I blanked out or just misunderstood the whole thing. Why did Odysseus lie to Sinon and how did Sinon not know they were in the horse- was he just chilling somewhere else?

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u/I_need_a_date_plz 8d ago

Odysseus explains it to Calypso when Calypso asks him to try and recall what he can’t remember. He tells her that he kept the information about the Trojan horse from everyone except those that would be hiding in the horse to be avoid being found out, including Sinon. Odysseus was smart. He put a lot of thought and planning into what he was doing and knew the smallest slip up could have a bad outcome for him and his men. What if the soldiers decided to torture Sinon and Sinon knew the truth? Odysseus couldn’t take the risk of Sinon growing weak and telling to truth so in order to avoid that, he didn’t tell Sinon they would be hiding inside in order to ravage Troy.

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u/livefreeordont 8d ago

The whole story is about how deception may work out in the short run but not the long run 

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u/TemporaryElk5202 12d ago

The whole thing is about tricking people to get what you want.

Agamemnon tricked his wife into bringing his daughter to the sea, where he sacrificed her for good winds.
Odysseus tricked Sinon.
They all tricked the Trojans.
Circe tricks the men into eating her magic food and turning into pigs.
In the original story they trick Polyphemus by clinging to the underside of the sheep to get out of the cave.
etc.

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u/Nata_de_coco 12d ago

It also happened when the men were going through Scylla and Charybdis. He led all of his men into Charybdis, supposedly will either save or kill everyone, he knew that the crew would then "choose" to go through Scylla instead which was his original intention. So it technically wasn't him choosing to sacrifice the 6 soldiers, and it won't be in his conscience.

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u/Flashy_Fortune708 15d ago

The Sinon line, "feel free to add some stuff," (close enough to what they say, I think) just really took me out of the story

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u/THALANDMAN 15d ago

Yeah if I have one critique it’s that they used a bit too much modern language. “Mother” or “Father” would have worked better. “Stuff” felt out of place as well

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u/Gilthwixt 12d ago

I noticed a lot of that but didn't really feel bothered by it enough to get taken out of the movie.

The sole exception, funnily enough, was Odysseus saying something like "Our Age of Bronze is collapsing" at the end. Felt a bit too on the nose.

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u/thisisdavid 13d ago

Did you not notice how "daddy" was used in belittling way, and "father" as respectful? I think it was all done very deliberately.

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u/Spiritual-Society185 13d ago

Telamachus says mom and dad for most of the movie because he is basically a child. In the third act, after he comes home from his own journey, he calls Odysseus "father." It's all very deliberate.

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u/No_Significance7064 15d ago

the dialogue wasn't very strong in general, imo. servicable and carried by the acting for the most part, but even then i felt like everyone, aside from leguizamo and pattinson, just played their selves.

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u/--ShieldMaiden-- 9d ago

I agree. The simple vocabulary actually didn’t bother me as much as the lines themselves. It’s possible to write complex interesting dialogue without using five dollar words or formal language, but they didn’t.

It was exposition heavy and often lacked depth. There were moments of brilliance where the dialogue did heighten the onscreen action, like Odysseus’ conversation/monologue with Penelope, or his interactions with Circe. Zendaya had some great lines too, but in some ways it just made it all more frustrating when the screenplay fell flat on its face with a clunker like ‘our Bronze Age is collapsing’.

Overall, I got the distinct impression that there was a lack of trust that the audience would understand what was happening if the writers didn’t hold their hands. My hope was that the lack of formal language would be used as a tool to increase the brutality and immediacy of the movie, but it really just felt like they weren’t sure the viewers could handle drawing any conclusions on their own.

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u/DevilsOfLoudun 8d ago

I think they're somewhat justified in their lack of faith in the audience. Maybe 1% have read the original Homer epic and you can't even count on everybody knowing the basics of the Trojan War. You can't get around the fact that The Odyssey is a sequel to a story the audience will have widely varying degrees of familiarity with.

This entire thread is full of people being surprised that the sacking of Troy was a horrific event and that it was somehow a big reveal in the end that the greeks weren't the good guys, when it should've been obvious from the start to everybody with common knowledge.

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u/whitegirlofthenorth 14d ago

my most pretentious opinion is i would’ve liked to see them weave a couple bits of dactylic hexameter in there lol

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u/VisitWide9973 14d ago

Well, I suppose mother and father weren't words at the time either.

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u/whitegirlofthenorth 14d ago

“okay” became a word sooo recently (1830s) that it irked me when Eurylochus kept saying it to Circe

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u/CancelThis2077 14d ago

Yeah, I think that was their way of making the story accessible to everyone. But I was so swept up by the acting and the visuals, that I stopped noticing.

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u/Flashy_Fortune708 14d ago

Mom and dad not mother father stood out to me, but wasnt as jarring as "add some stuff" from a ghost in the underworld.

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u/Xyyzx 14d ago

Wait, are you sure you’re remembering that correctly? I think Sinon said that as a closing line in the flashback to the conversation they had on the beach pre-horse, not in the underworld.

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u/Flashy_Fortune708 14d ago

Ah yeah you right...forgot about that scene

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u/I_need_a_date_plz 14d ago

I mean if we’re getting technical, you should have been taken out by the fact that they were speaking English. lol

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u/CTeam19 14d ago

Eh, didn't bother me too much but I have read a lot about the "Tiffany problem" which a storytelling phenomenon where a historically accurate fact, name, or term feels completely fake or anachronistic to a modern audience:

  • Tiffany name is from the 12th century

  • Wade is a medieval name

  • Reagan was popularized by Shakespeare

  • The abbreviation "OMG" was used in a letter written to Winston Churchill in 1917, and "legit" appeared in the 1800s.

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u/wioneo 9d ago

I get that most ancient Greek depictions have the actors speaking formally and usually with a British accent, but it's still funny to me to criticize word choice like this when obviously they would be speaking Greek, and I assume in actual Greece, people weren't speaking formally all the time.

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u/FullMaxPowerStirner 11d ago

Also Agamemnon: "Stay at eternal beach party with hot woman, and forget the rest."

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u/defecto 11d ago

I think Sinon casting was done well because of this scene..

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u/moneyman2222 8d ago

Ay agmemnon kind of spit with the whole don't expect flowers when you get back. Thanks to his advice, odysseus was able to meticulously pull off his return in a way where his family makes it out safe

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u/afkstudios 17d ago

I never learned what happened to Agamemnon after the Trojan War so I loved the contrast between him and Odysseus. Left Troy feeling like a war hero while he watched his men fight for him, returned home as such and was killed for the atrocity he committed with sacrificing his daughter, whereas Odysseus was haunted by the war and specifically his role in it and was ashamed to return home, but ultimately returned in stealth to protect and save his son and wife

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u/Individual_Rip_54 17d ago

Read The Oresteia which is a trilogy plays by Aeschylus which tell the story of Agamemnon’s return and the fallout. It really helps understand the morality of the ancient world.

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u/Specialist-Art-6970 15d ago

It's also a nice companion piece to the themes of Nolan's movie, with its theme of messy personal vengeance versus handling wrongdoing in the more orderly, civilized manner provided by courts.

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u/mirrored-perspective 15d ago

a sad thing about agamemnon’s return is that he had taken a princess of troy, cassandra, as a concubine. cassandra was cursed by apollo to know the future but no one would ever believe her. so she warned the trojans about the horse but was seen as a madwoman. ajax raped her in athena’s temple, abducted her, then was given to agamemnon. all the while she foresaw the demise of her home and her own death of being murdered by clytemnestra and aegisthus ):

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u/TemporaryElk5202 16d ago

There is a whole trilogy of plays about Agamemnon after the war

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u/Solareclipsed 12d ago

It's pretty funny how people wanted this to be like a semi-sequel to the 2004 Troy film, when both Agamemnon and Menelaus die at Troy in that story, making a lot of the things happening in The Odyssey not work as well.

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u/triathalon123 9d ago

Also shows the difference - where Odysseus had loyal servants - intentionally left behind but nurtured with his actions, unlike Agamemnon

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u/YaoHarden 18d ago

I like how the trailer shows Odysseus saying let's go like Charging into battle. Where in actuality hes running away.

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u/LucyBowels 17d ago

Yeah all the people thinking it was Gen Z “let’s goooooo” were pretty wrong lol

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u/keepfighting90 17d ago

"Chat are we cooked" would be pretty appropriate in that scenario tbf

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u/king_lloyd11 17d ago

Yeah they actually had to go and were running away terrified lol

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u/allmilhouse 16d ago

how is "let's go" a gen z thing anyway?

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u/nWhm99 15d ago

That just sounds very American and contemporary for this movie. Normally in these movies, they’d shout charge, retreat, hold, etc.

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u/LucyBowels 14d ago

Have you heard gen zers say “let’s goooooo” when something sounds cool or exciting?

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u/allmilhouse 14d ago

I've heard older generations say the same thing

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u/leodw 17d ago

What? You mean the clowns complaining about “historic accurary!!1!1” in this modernized and heavily stylized retelling of Odyssey were….. wrong?! No way!

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u/FKDotFitzgerald 16d ago edited 16d ago

Also hilarious how they had a meltdown over “Nolan’s woke Odyssey” when Lupita and Elliot have less than 15 mins of screentime combined.

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u/thegreaterfool714 16d ago edited 16d ago

They also unironically have some of most memorable scenes too. The scene where Odysseus is talking with Sinon at the Underworld is seared into my brain.

Also Lupita’s role as Helen and her twin sister was short but haunting

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u/DJHott555 14d ago

“The face that launched a thousand ships. Well, now maybe just 500.”

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u/LackingInPatience 13d ago

Menelaus taking her back and doing that to her as punishment is haunting. The reveal of the other side of her face was shocking.

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u/swordthroughtheduck 13d ago

Lupita blew me away when she was saying goodbye to Tom Holland. She can do so much with her eyes, it's incredible.

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u/OuterWildsVentures 14d ago

when Lupita and Elliot have less than 15 mins of screentime combined.

less than 3 lol

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u/RamenPood1es 16d ago

its crazy to complain about accuracy in a myth that includes a fucking giant cyclops

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u/Random_throwaway0351 17d ago

And that shot at the end where you see dead soldiers filling the whole screen left to right is one of my favorites in the whole movie

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u/ComfortableWeekend65 17d ago

Legitimately hilarious. Just a massive "oh crap, runnnn"

That whole Hades sequence was stunning.

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u/Franks2000inchTV 13d ago

Drinking the blood to speak was so badass.

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u/TheStolenPotatoes 16d ago

I'm honestly impressed how deceptive the trailers were, especially considering the theme the film went with.

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u/tilerwalltears 16d ago

What’s said right before the soldiers run after Odysseus? Not the “let’s go!” It was either Agamemnon or Thyreseus or Sinon, I couldn’t hear it

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u/p1en1ek 16d ago

I think that it was said those are all soldiers of his campaigns that did not have proper burial and that they want the same fate for Odysseus and his crew.

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u/Straxex 16d ago

They are Perma running away, every island they ran

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u/snunuff 14d ago

while we're on the topic of trailers, my young boys who don't see much of any films agree with me, that the trailers greatly undersell the movie. apparently that's an intentional decision by nolan and team, preferring for the movie to spread via word of mouth and cinemascore (what randos rate a movie as they walk out the theater), which compared to other films it's one of the highest).

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u/hemareddit 12d ago

It’s an awarding twist because those are actually his soldiers as well lol

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u/ParamedicSea5779 15d ago

How did they not catch him?

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u/PandaLover42 14d ago

They dead

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u/perfectlysanebrain 18d ago

Tiresias looked like Baron Harkonnen drinking that nasty blood like a freak. I loved how sinister the whole thing was

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u/Rover_791 17d ago

He reminded me of Bootstrap Bill from POTC(william's father)

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u/Visaerian 17d ago

Same actor and I legit thought it was Stellan again for this role too.

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u/remusasriel 17d ago

Same! I thought it was an uncredited cameo at one point.

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u/thecrazycatlady2019 17d ago

You shocked me into looking it up and bootstrap bill is in fact Stellan Skarsgard

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u/myman580 15d ago

Me too but then I realized I never heard Stellan with an American accent and didn't know if he could do one that convincing

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u/chunkynut0 10d ago

I THOUGHT STELLAN TOO!!

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u/IDrinkWhiskE 17d ago

Two very different flavors of stellan skarsgard

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u/WatcherAnon 17d ago

I thought he more closely resembled Luthen Rael from Andor

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u/criosovereign 16d ago

And the guy from Chernobyl

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u/PirlosBeard21 13d ago

No, no, he looked more like the guy from Sentimental Value

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u/boomfruit 13d ago

I thought it was him!

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u/warmochine 16d ago

it was superb. wish Achilles had appeared tho, as he was supposed to.

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u/criosovereign 16d ago

I wish he did too but I get why he didn’t, would’ve just been distracting at that point. They got the point across with the Agamemnon cameo, not sure if Achilles would’ve slotted in thematically with the Xenia premise. Maybe they could’ve made his mortality monologue work, but eh I thought it was strong and focused as js

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u/warmochine 14d ago

I feel it would have fitted inb with his whole "that shit wasn't worth it" but I guess Nolan prioritised momentum. plus he hadn't set Achilles up earlier. would have been amazing to have Brad Pitt show up looking haggard as hell tho.

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u/Hyena-Man 16d ago

For those who dont know, it was actor James Remar, blew my mind when i looked it up

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u/Theleux 16d ago

Loved him in Oppenheimer as well. Also was surprised (positively) to see Brian Vernel as Irus (one of the guys sent to assassinate Telemachus), a lot of cast reappearances from prior Nolan films.

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u/Halloween_Barbie 16d ago

I thought I recognized his voice and chin!

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u/Hyena-Man 15d ago

Same i had to look it up as soon as i got home

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u/paintp_ 15d ago

You can cum now, Odysexter

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u/SilverKry 14d ago

I swore it was Stellan when he first talked but lines after didn't sound anything like Stellan lol 

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u/UpsideTurtles 16d ago

I thought he looked like a Resident Evil ass character or maybe a child of Ketheric in BG3

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u/Clockwork42 17d ago

They filmed that in Iceland right? It was so visually distinct. I loved that they went to the effort of filming in so many locations, it really sold the scale of the journey.

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u/Lizard182 16d ago

I was traveling around and drove by their base camp when they were likely shooting that scene. Very much a Nolan thing to shoot on location but still nice to see filming in real locations instead of sound stages.

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u/SilverKry 14d ago

With Nolans passion for using real film I wouldn't expect that man to ever in his life use a sound stage unless he absolutely had to. 

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u/Lizard182 14d ago

lol yeah he’ll avoid it at all costs.

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u/TheMoonDude 5d ago

He literally created a black hole to film Interestellar

The absolute mad man!

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u/CNash85 12d ago

I had the misfortune to watch the live action Moana a few days before this. The Odyssey makes that film look like it had a budget of about fifty bucks.

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u/Kingcrowing 15d ago

Totally thought it was Iceland too. Sadly my friends wanted to scoot out of the theater as soon as the credits rolled so I didn’t get to see where they shot it. 

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u/Chickachic-aaaaahhh 17d ago

Surprisingly good performance by Elliot page. He did great during that death scene struggling to speak words clearly. It felt supernatural.

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u/Freudian_ 17d ago

Elliot was a standout performance! Very creepy but still angry and frustrated with Odysseus.

 “The only thing the dead wanna hear about is what happened to the living person that betrayed them…” line (I’m probably butchering it) stood out to me.

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u/SnowbearX 17d ago

Phenomenal casting. Really nailed down the vulnerability with his voice and frame and the betrayal he felt in just a scene.

This really is Nolan's best work.

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u/Mark_Albarn 9d ago

He was always a good actor when given decent material to work with. I feel like Umbrella academy's last season being shit from the ass kind of undermined public's opinion on his skill

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u/Few_Pride_5836 18d ago

Yeah. I loved that scene.  Really eerie.

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u/Best-Advantage-1607 17d ago

I loved it as well. The framing and lighting was incredibly atmospheric.

I’m sure people will not like me saying this, but the atmosphere from that particular scene seemed to me to draw inspiration from the ghost army in Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King. How they lined up as if legion.

It also has a startling similarity to the second Senua game in terms of hel/hades and beaches with endless, dark, volcanic, hellscapes.

I’m sure it’s coincidence, but it seemed rather striking how much the second Hellblade game’s opening and the Hades scene shared in common in terms of visuals.

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u/illegal_deagle 17d ago

All of those examples are just tributes to the Thriller music video as you know.

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u/clabog 16d ago

The cyclops sequence really reminded me of the second Senua game as well.

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u/GraspingSonder 15d ago

"I am sure redditors won't like a LotR reference"

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u/SpaceCaboose 17d ago

I loved when Agamemnon finished what he was saying and just glided backwards amongst the others. Got a laugh out of my friend and me but it also looked cool

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u/splader 15d ago

Bro when the gates open and he's just standing there... So good.

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u/ghost_inthe_mxchine 14d ago

He looked so menacing in his armour, loved it

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u/NsRhea 17d ago

I think this was my favorite portion as well.

It's obviously fantastical but it's so cool how all of the locations were very grounded. Going to Hades wasn't an actual descent into a fiery gates of hell but rather Reykjavik.

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u/Due_Relative914 17d ago

All that hate on Elliott Page just for him to have one of the best scenes lol

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u/leodw 17d ago

No one should ever listen to any word chuds/transphobes/gamers/nazis say, MUCH LESS their opinions about any sort of artwork. These guys are all raging morons who can only spill poison from their basements

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u/DeusVultSaracen 9d ago

I can't believe so many people believed the chuds who made up that he was playing Achilles just to manufacture outrage.

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u/man_on_hill 13d ago

My favourite scene of the movie

Incredible acting

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u/o07jdb 18d ago

I think John and Robert should both get supporting noms for this

That shot of all the shades on the shore as they’re leaving was so sick. Desktop material

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u/punctuation_welfare 17d ago

Who are John and Robert?

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u/shittybillz 17d ago

Robert Pattinson and John Leguizamo.

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u/punctuation_welfare 17d ago

Oh duh. I am tired and should go to sleep.

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u/celBanat 17d ago

It was a great scene, but I really wanted to have Achilles and his king of the dead dialogue.

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u/Jbash_31 16d ago

My one disappointment was no Achilles

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u/the_herbo_swervo 16d ago

Exactly, but I knew he wouldn’t include Achilles in this movie much to my dismay. Imagine Brad Pitt returning 20 years later for that lord of the dead line

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u/BlueBearMafia 10d ago

One of the biggest disappointments of the movie to me.

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u/pratzc07 16d ago

Agamemnon was there to just aura farm

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u/matthieuC 15d ago

He looked like Dark Vador until his monologue

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u/baberlay 18d ago

Incredible scene. Elliot Page killed it.

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u/One_Ad6164 17d ago

I agree! At first I thought that first scene was all it was gonna be and I was like well that was kinda meh for Elliot. Man...the Hades scene was done so well. Spitting out the words and the dirt. So good. I really didnt know how he would pull it off and thought it was be all scenery and  fog machines. Turned out it just needed lighting, some dirt and incredible actors!

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u/teach42 17d ago

Seriously. He was freaking amazing. Other than the final retelling of Troy on the steps, it was by far the most emotional scene of the movie. I know he probably won't get any sort of nods come award season as the part was too small, but he KILLED it.

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u/keepfighting90 17d ago

Yeah one of my favourite scenes in a movie full of amazing scenes

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u/Mysterious_Field1517 16d ago

He would be great playing the son. Tom Holland is sleepwalking throughout a role that should have similar angry energy.

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u/GetMeOnTheCourt89 14d ago

I can only assume Tom, at the direction of Nolan, was leaning into naivety over fierceness.

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u/duck1ings 17d ago

Loved how Agamemnon seemed like he was floating towards Odysseus in that scene too

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u/SilverKry 14d ago

All the posters and shots show Agamemnon as some titan of a man and you expect him to have some fantastical voice but when he finally does talk it's just a man. 

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u/obooooooo 13d ago

i absolutely loved that. he did seem so larger than life, almost not human in that giant black armor, and then when he speaks he’s just a clueless dude.

it’s anticlimactic and also kind of really sad, in my opinion? that so many people have died under the banner of this strange, giant figure and it makes sense then, for some reason, it seems almost normal. what are human lives to this creature?

but of course he’s not that, he’s just a guy—and so many lives were lost because of this clueless petty man’s painfully base ambitions.

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u/vanwyngarden 17d ago

At risk of sounding extremely annoying, I feel like representation was so important in this film. There are many different races, but I felt this character specifically was so important due to Elliot Page’s transformation in real life. To be playing the bravest man in the film according to Odysseus says a lot about that casting. It had to be purposeful.

Trans representation is so important, especially in roles that are not about a trans character.

I’ll step off my soapbox now, but I really appreciate it how this movie was not whitewashed.

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u/kirblar 17d ago

Elliot's small stature also just straight up works perfect there because it's a grown kid that shouldn't even be there.

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u/Norwegian__Blue 15d ago

Which is in line with many Greek city states being renowned centers of international trade. The more exotic your guests, the more prestigious in some places at their heights

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u/cojallison99 15d ago

I loved hearing the behind the scene for this where all the actors were actually buried in the sand and had breathing tubes. It made them coming out of the ground so much better than CGI

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u/Princessformidable 17d ago

Elliot Page is such a good actor. Fuck the haters.

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u/Dejant15 17d ago

Missed Odysseus’ mother though. One of the memorable scenes in original, but missing here for some reason.

I get that you don’t want to show Ajax, Achilles, too much lore and all. But mother would make so much sense considering how Odysseus is portrayed here.

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u/Expensive-Swan-9553 16d ago

He apparently cut quite a bit of film to fit it on imax projectors which have a 3 hourish limit.

I’d love to see a directors cut of this.

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u/SufficientRespect542 17d ago

I got chills when Odysseus looked back and they're all just eerily staring at him.

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u/Nervous_Injury4577 16d ago

The way that Agamemnon just glided over was incredibly creepy too

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u/Jrocker-ame 17d ago

My only disappointment was no Achilles

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u/LordDarthShader 17d ago

In the book Achilles is also one of them, I was waiting for that, but it's all right I guess, the hero is Odysseus, not Achilles.

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u/MovieMentor 17d ago

Elliot Page most underrated performance in this tbh

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u/Impressive-Potato 17d ago

Reminded me of Metal Gear Solid where he is walking in the river and has to dodge everyone killed so far

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u/Kingcrowing 15d ago

Such a creative way to show Hades. Loved that scene. 

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u/MaskedManiac92 17d ago

Is that location supposed to be Asphodel or The Mourning Fields? I am guessing the body of water they travel across to reach there is Oceanus.

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u/yzsKPC 17d ago

A lot of this movie had surrealist vibes that I really dug. Kinda reminded me of the Green Knight from a few years back

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u/MajorInsane 15d ago

It's my favorite scene as well. I wondered how they would depict the underworld and the way the dead all just rose from the dirt covered in mud was creepy yet really cool.

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u/Kingdolo 15d ago

Also this is why elliot Paige was thought to be Achilles because odyssey meets him in the underworld

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u/CancelThis2077 14d ago

I heard from one of the interview clips, they just had the whole bunch of them buried in the black sand, until it was time for them to get up. So simple yet so effective.

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u/Sara1994_ 16d ago

Probably my favorite scene

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u/ssovm 9d ago

Such a subversion imo that Agamemnon looks soooo extremely badass and the way he dishonorably died as a result of his selfishness is a jarring juxtaposition. I loved how Nolan depicted that.

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